Sex can cause prolactin increase=bad for deca/tren users

[beachbum28]

Hey Bros...just had to share this. I was doing some research on my possible mild gyno that I never got on past cycles. Made me think what I did different. Only thing I came up with was a shit load of sex. I've been hittin it up 7 days a week with multiple o's each time..(yeah I'm a stud like that! lol) This got me doing some research and I found something interesting so here it is.

Regulating prolactin secretion

Dopamine is the primary neuroendocrine inhibitor of the secretion of prolactin from the anterior pituitary gland. [7] Dopamine produced by neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus is secreted into the hypothalamo-hypophysial blood vessels of the median eminence, which supply the pituitary gland. The lactotrope cells that produce prolactin, in the absence of dopamine, secrete prolactin continuously; dopamine inhibits this secretion. Thus, in the context of regulating prolactin secretion, dopamine is occasionally called prolactin-inhibiting factor (PIF), prolactin-inhibiting hormone (PIH), or prolactostatin. "Prolactin also seems to inhibit dopamine release, such as after orgasm, and is chiefly responsible for the refractory period."

[TranscriptionFactor]

Well, no.....

Yes Dopamine was initially often referred to as PIF, but it has many many functions
I don't believe it is the case that any amount of sex will increase prolactin to a degree which would lead to galactorrhea (milk) or gyno.

Cabergoline and Bromocriptine, two meds that were developed for people with Parkinson's disease to compensate for the decreased level of dopamine, are used in BB to inhibit excess prolactin, and one of the the "side effects" is that supposedly they cause a decreased "refractory period" - time in which in takes you to get it up again.

[one8nine]

when you nut the reason you dont wanna keep goin and you just wanna nap is you get a huge rush of progesterone/prolactin
its called a refractory period
thats why when you take caber you can nut like 4 times before you need a nap

[oneshot]

when you nut the reason you dont wanna keep goin and you just wanna nap is you get a huge rush of progesterone/prolactin
its called a refractory index
thats why when you take caber you can nut like 4 times before you need a nap

ill be damned thats awesome. can nut like 4 times before passing out while on tren so i can only imagine what its like with caber. how significant is this post-orgasm prolactin/progesterone spike?

[one8nine]

depends on your blood levels and how sensitive your pgr is
lemme see if i can get some more info to copy paste

[one8nine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractory_period_(sex)

In sexuality, the refractory period is the recovery phase after orgasm during which it is physiologically impossible for an individual to have additional orgasms. It is also sometimes defined as "the time immediately following orgasm during which a man cannot achieve an erection."[1] The penis may be hypersensitive and further sexual stimulation may even feel painful during this time frame.

The refractory period varies widely among individuals and across species, ranging from minutes to days. An increased infusion of the hormone oxytocin during ejaculation is believed to be chiefly responsible for the refractory period and the amount by which oxytocin is increased may affect the length of each refractory period.

Another chemical which is considered to be responsible for this effect is prolactin, which represses dopamine, which is responsible for sexual arousal.Unlike men, some women do not experience a refractory period immediately after orgasm and in many cases are capable of attaining additional, multiple orgasms through further stimulation (mainly oral-genital stimulation or through masturbation). The female sexual response is more varied than that of men, and there are many women who experience clitoral hypersensitivity after orgasm, which effectively creates a refractory period. These women may be capable of further orgasms, but the pain involved in getting there makes the prospect undesirable.

18-year-old males have a refractory period of about 15 minutes, while those in their 70s take about 20 hours, with the average for all men being about a half-hour.[2]

[oneshot]

sweet. and also how long does this spike last?

[one8nine]

sweet. and also how long does this spike last?

18-year-old males have a refractory period of about 15 minutes, while those in their 70s take about 20 hours, with the average for all men being about a half-hour.[2]

[oneshot]

so i usually can go for multiple O's without stopping at all. could that mean that i dont have that much prolactin or am just not very sensitive to it?

[oneshot]

18-year-old males have a refractory period of about 15 minutes, while those in their 70s take about 20 hours, with the average for all men being about a half-hour.[2]

yea i saw that in the previous article. had already posted though

[one8nine]

so i usually can go for multiple O's without stopping at all. could that mean that i dont have that much prolactin or am just not very sensitive to it?

i dunno.
on cycle i use letro. i get the period but for like 2 minutes.
off cycle im closer to the 30 minutes.

[oneshot]

i dunno.
on cycle i use letro. i get the period but for like 2 minutes.
off cycle im closer to the 30 minutes.

hmmm interesting ill have to try some caber next round

[roid_rage]

caber seem to be the shit!

[football3355]

so if during this spiked level of progesterone and prolactin, does it take affect of testosterone levels? Like can having sex or masturbating decrease test?

[NixBoy1185]

whats caber !! its probably obvious im just so oblivious to things

[Dukkit]

whats caber !! its probably obvious im just so oblivious to things

So glad you asked!!

check it,

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=caber+thread

[beachbum28]

From what I have read, yes it lowers test levels. Studies were done that show mne who did not ejaculate for 7 days had increased test levels thats rose steadily to 137% above baseline. After ejaculation, it fell to negitive results and took anywhere from 1 to 3 days to reach baseline again. I can't find that article but if I do i'll post it

[football3355]

From what I have read, yes it lowers test levels. Studies were done that show mne who did not ejaculate for 7 days had increased test levels thats rose steadily to 137% above baseline. After ejaculation, it fell to negitive results and took anywhere from 1 to 3 days to reach baseline again. I can't find that article but if I do i'll post it

thanks for the info. No wonder I feel like shit after I nut lol. And do so for a few days. But like two weeks of not ejaculating when I separated with my girl for a bit, I felt great and more energized. Not to mention when I watch some porn and nut, i fall asleep like a baby whose been tired all day. Wierd...

[beachbum28]

thanks for the info. No wonder I feel like shit after I nut lol. And do so for a few days. But like two weeks of not ejaculating when I separated with my girl for a bit, I felt great and more energized. Not to mention when I watch some porn and nut, i fall asleep like a baby whose been tired all day. Wierd...

LOL... I guess that is the prolactin refractory effect. I can't go more than a day on juice without nuttin, which I think has given me the start of gyno.... But I'm about to hit it as soon as she gets out of the shower..so much for my day of test buildup! lol

[jc95605]

when you nut the reason you dont wanna keep goin and you just wanna nap is you get a huge rush of progesterone/prolactin
its called a refractory period
thats why when you take caber you can nut like 4 times before you need a nap

Screw it i'm taking caber all year then!

[MuscleScience]

You can almost never jump to conclusions when it comes to physiology. There are to many variables to account for and careful controlled study is always needed to make an absolute assumption. This is how the anti-steroid agenda is pushed. For example in the case of roid rage. Testosterone is partly responsible for aggressive behavior in male mammals. This has been used to say that exogenous supraphysiological administered testosterone will cause a male mammal to be more aggressive. This has not ever been conclusively linked. You can easily see how this rational is flawed in many ways.

[football3355]

You can almost never jump to conclusions when it comes to physiology. There are to many variables to account for and careful controlled study is always needed to make an absolute assumption. This is how the anti-steroid agenda is pushed. For example in the case of roid rage. Testosterone is partly responsible for aggressive behavior in male mammals. This has been used to say that exogenous supraphysiological administered testosterone will cause a male mammal to be more aggressive. This has not ever been conclusively linked. You can easily see how this rational is flawed in many ways.

You are right if you like things written on paper. Just because it hasn't been linked, doesn't mean it isn't true. Like the androgenic to anabolic ratio, some of the numbers associated with the steroids are MASSIVE on paper compared to there real effects in the human body. Your rational could be flawed too, but yes, a test would have to be done to prove what we feel is correct. (I know there is evidence out there, will research). All I know is, when I nut, I feel like shit and there is progesterone and prolactin involved which usually = less test. When I dont = more free test/makes me feel better. If i can get a benefit from not nuttin from porn/my girl, then w/e, i wont do it on cycle or especially PCT when tes is deff needed.

[MuscleScience]

You are right if you like things written on paper. Just because it hasn't been linked, doesn't mean it isn't true. Like the androgenic to anabolic ratio, some of the numbers associated with the steroids are MASSIVE on paper compared to there real effects in the human body. Your rational could be flawed too, but yes, a test would have to be done to prove what we feel is correct. (I know there is evidence out there, will research). All I know is, when I nut, I feel like shit and there is progesterone and prolactin involved which usually = less test. When I dont = more free test/makes me feel better. If i can get a benefit from not nuttin from porn/my girl, then w/e, i wont do it on cycle or especially PCT when tes is deff needed.

Thats not what we are debating, the author of the thread was making a leap of logic on sex causing gyno in users of tren/deca. Not whether prolactin is or isnt released as a result of sexual intercourse and orgasm.

My logic is based on the scientific method. If I said to any scientist in the field or expert for that matter this same statement they would laugh at me and say show me the proof. My logic is not my own it how you conclusively rule out other factors. For example dopamine is released from the pleasure of eating. There are neural tracts that directly stimulate the arcuate nucleus, so then by that logic maybe him eating more or less could have caused his gyno. You see where I am going with this?

Is this a plausible explanation, who knows. The danger is that someone will read this that is not educated on the matter and draw an uneducated conclusion and thus modify behavior, thats what I am getting at. There are maybe three or four people on this board that I know of that would be able to read the statement in quotations and fully understand what the statement means.

Not trying to say anyone here is dumb but one would have to have a pretty advanced degree to fully understand the anatomy and physiology of that particular system.

[3v1lj03]

I don't know about the sex causing gyno. I do know that when I started test and tren I could not any longer have multiple Os and I had always been able too before. I started taking b6 and ginko to reduce prolactin and in a short time my wife is happy again with my multi o performance. Not science but, true for me.

[beachbum28]

You can almost never jump to conclusions when it comes to physiology. There are to many variables to account for and careful controlled study is always needed to make an absolute assumption. This is how the anti-steroid agenda is pushed. For example in the case of roid rage. Testosterone is partly responsible for aggressive behavior in male mammals. This has been used to say that exogenous supraphysiological administered testosterone will cause a male mammal to be more aggressive. This has not ever been conclusively linked. You can easily see how this rational is flawed in many ways.

100% agree

[beachbum28]

I don't know about the sex causing gyno. I do know that when I started test and tren I could not any longer have multiple Os and I had always been able too before. I started taking b6 and ginko to reduce prolactin and in a short time my wife is happy again with my multi o performance. Not science but, true for me.

Glad to see you are putting the smile back on your wifes face! lol.

[football3355]

Thats not what we are debating, the author of the thread was making a leap of logic on sex causing gyno in users of tren/deca. Not whether prolactin is or isnt released as a result of sexual intercourse and orgasm.

My logic is based on the scientific method. If I said to any scientist in the field or expert for that matter this same statement they would laugh at me and say show me the proof. My logic is not my own it how you conclusively rule out other factors. For example dopamine is released from the pleasure of eating. There are neural tracts that directly stimulate the arcuate nucleus, so then by that logic maybe him eating more or less could have caused his gyno. You see where I am going with this?

Is this a plausible explanation, who knows. The danger is that someone will read this that is not educated on the matter and draw an uneducated conclusion and thus modify behavior, thats what I am getting at. There are maybe three or four people on this board that I know of that would be able to read the statement in quotations and fully understand what the statement means.

Not trying to say anyone here is dumb but one would have to have a pretty advanced degree to fully understand the anatomy and physiology of that particular system.

we arent talking about dopamine. At least not me. Having an O spikes progesterone and prolactin, the later in which idc about but progest. I do. It messes up the test to estrogen ratio which could cause gyno when on juice

[beachbum28]

we arent talking about dopamine. At least not me. Having an O spikes progesterone and prolactin, the later in which idc about but progest. I do. It messes up the test to estrogen ratio which could cause gyno when on juice

You know, i think so too, but seem to be getting a few snickers for saying so. Like I said in one of my post, I have been bangin away about 7 days a week for the last 3 months...thankfully my wife only has woman time about every 3 months! I really think that did something to me because that is the only thing that changed this cycle. It is possible that my body just reacted different this time, but I am leaning toward the imbalance from too much sex.

[one8nine]

You know, i think so too, but seem to be getting a few snickers for saying so. Like I said in one of my post, I have been bangin away about 7 days a week for the last 3 months...thankfully my wife only has woman time about every 3 months! I really think that did something to me because that is the only thing that changed this cycle. It is possible that my body just reacted different this time, but I am leaning toward the imbalance from too much sex.

or maybe from shooting sust wrong
or maybe from not controling estrogen or pgr

[MuscleScience]

we arent talking about dopamine. At least not me. Having an O spikes progesterone and prolactin, the later in which idc about but progest. I do. It messes up the test to estrogen ratio which could cause gyno when on juice

Prolactin also seems to inhibit dopamine release, such as after orgasm, and is chiefly responsible for the refractory period."