nolva v clomid

[anabolictonic]

hi everyone ... Why do some people push that you must do nolva and clomid together in pct isn a serm a serm why do people think clomid helps raise natty test levels better than nolva stronger gram for gram and less sides so why even think about clomid??

[JiGGaMaN]

why would someone do test and deca together in a cycle? arent they both steroids?

[anabolictonic]

hey jigga yer they sure are but deca is really suppressive thats why you always do test with it. hope that helps

[jc95605]

Lol. That was good.

[JiGGaMaN]

hey jigga yer they sure are but deca is really suppressive thats why you always do test with it. hope that helps

A wiseguy eh? Why I oughta!

[Ernst]

This'll get you an idea, check these out:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354573

I'll bet Swifto would have all the answers and studies you're looking for and more if you care to ask him.

[anabolictonic]

bump

[one8nine]

because studies show nolvas best at blocking estro and clomid is best at raising test

[one8nine]

here ya go

Here's a study stating how effective "25mg/ED" is...

Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism.

Shabsigh A, Kang Y, Shabsign R, Gonzalez M, Liberson G, Fisch H, Goluboff E.
Department of Urology, NY Presbyterian Medical Center, New York, NY, USA.


AIM: Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio. METHODS: Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed. RESULTS: The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 +/- 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 +/- 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4-6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 +/- 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients. CONCLUSIONS: Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.

PMID: 16422830 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Anthony Roberts was so agaisnt Clomid as he got sides from its use. It doesnt mean everyone will.