Help Planning a Cycle

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

I used to look at thread titles like this and instantly knew the answer was going to be "you don't need a cycle" or "you have plenty of natural growth left", and normally I would agree with you based on the following stats. Unfortunately, these are not the answers that I am looking for, I just really want some quality advice... Really looking for K.Biz or Number 12 to jump in because they are the only people I see around here from back in the day that knew their ish.

Stats: Too Small (right now)
Age: 22
Height: 5'10
Weight: 172
BF: 11%ish

Goals BEFORE Cycle
180lbs
12%BF

Diet: 3200-3500 cals, ~275-300g protein, 225-250g carbs, 100-120g fat.
Not the best diet, but it works for me, and this will certainly be refined pre/during/post cycle.

Cycle Support:
FF Niacin
Milkthistle (I take a ton on cycle)
Hawthorne Berry
Fish Oil
Multi
Saw Palmetto (may cut this out based on responses)


Now that we got all the pre-quals out of the way, here are the goals with this cycle. I will be waiting a couple months, just want to get it planned out. Want to put on as much mass as possible, not concerned about a "dry look" or keeping BF low on cycle.

Since I haven't been around for a while, I don't even know whats out there... 2perdrol? P-Plex? Superdrol? H-drol?

Ideally would like to do a short stacked cycle of two compounds and follow with clen and either nolva or clomid. Help me plan it...



And yes, I am too small, too young, too sh1tty of a diet, etc etc, so no need to reiterate these points

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

Oh and cycle history: 1AD 5 years ago, Superdrol '05, Superdrol '06 and absolutely nothing besides protein since then. Lost quite a bit in the past year and looking to put it back on before the cycle starts

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

Looking into BB.com, it seems like people over there are big fans of Havoc, H-Drol, 3-AD, 1-AD, while almost nobody over here runs any of those compounds...

Typical results for a 4 week cycle were in the range of 10-15 lbs with minimal sides, is there a reason nobody on here is a fan of those compounds?

Also, are there any compounds that are non-methylated that would generally be a good addition to a cycle based on one methylated compound?

[NCNeedForSpeed]

that cannot be concidered a cycle bro... from what it looks like it seems those are shitty test boosters... the only way i can see some1 gaining 15lbs from a 'cycle' like that is from not taking a shit for the 4 weeks he/she was on it. or shoving a lead pipe up their ass and hoppin on the scale...... first off test boosters are not even good for building muscle like nolvadex for example it will boost ur test 150% or so but it shuts most of ur estrogen off and believe it or not without estrogen you will build no muscle... if ur lookin for a cycle bum some test off from a friend like prop or something take 400mg of that a week for 8 to 12 weeks then get on some real nolva n clomid and all that good pct shit.

H-drol 3-AD 1-AD.... it will not give u good gains it will only make u piss out ur kidneys and a few years of ur life....

[Reed]

Havoc and Superdrol will pack on quality weight believe it or not. I'm a little confused on what your asking, you want to put on 8 more lbs before the cycle but don't want advice on a better diet? How do you expect to gain that before the cycle?

[number twelve]

hey bro im not on here as much as i used to be...look into this stuff called "decabolen" it has 3 yummy compounds in them sd halo and pp i think...a kid at my school is taking it and he has blown up. as far as i know there isnt any of the old good stuff around anymore. you have the right idea in getting your weight up b4 u jump back on. i might run m1t one last time then its time to become a pin cushion lol best of luck and questions pm me

[Reed]

^^^ Twelve I can't believe you'd suggest to take a product like that. Three yucky compounds that would destroy someones body. Those are three methylated orals in one. Poison in a bottle IMO. SD alone can be damaging to liver values and cholesterol levels. Now they added two other methylated compounds to the mix. Can't imagine what someone's blood work would look like after a cycle of that. Longevity is the key not short term satisfaction.

[peachfuzz]

hey bro im not on here as much as i used to be...look into this stuff called "decabolen" it has 3 yummy compounds in them sd halo and pp i think...a kid at my school is taking it and he has blown up. as far as i know there isnt any of the old good stuff around anymore. you have the right idea in getting your weight up b4 u jump back on. i might run m1t one last time then its time to become a pin cushion lol best of luck and questions pm me

no offense, but i wouldnt even recommend that to someone i didnt like. three of the harshest compounds out there.

personally i would look into stacking a pheraplex clone with another nonmethylated product like boldione or a 1AD clone. given your past experience with designers i would dose the phera at 30mg for 4-6 weeks.

Havoc is great for strength and lean mass but i doubt you will get the size out of it that you would with phera.

post up a sample cycle and ill help you from there.

[Almost Jacked 33]

I tried alot of different cycles with prohormones before moving to bigger things and I can tell you from experience what worked for me and what was a waste of time and money. First, IDS MassTabs are amazing I had huge strength gains, gained 18lbs, and kept it all with no sides. But, MassTabs are pretty expensive now sinced they stopped producing them. 3-AD and kilosports-Trenadrol were horrible. I didnt gain a pound and no noticable strength increases. Someone gave me a bottle of Kilosports-Phera Mass and I ran 3weeks at 30mg/daily and had pretty good results, kept 9lbs. I have always heard good things about Havoc, but have no first hand experience with it. Well there is my .02, if youwant to know anything just let me know.