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    my doc is the shit

    Just thought I should share some of my good fortune. I had a docs appointmnet on tuesday about some issues I am having. To recap I started meds for ADHD/ADD (dextrol) a few weeks ago and lost 5lbs, cant sleep and sex drive is gone. Other than that I love this stuff and use it 3X week when in class and my performance has increased dramatically.

    Anyway this is my gp, I went in to get a script for ambien (sleeping pill) and an appetite stimulant to help with the weight loss. We got to talking and he immediately figured out on his own that i was into body building. The issue of juice came up and he has got to be the most pro-juice medical professional I have ever talked to. I was amazed at how knowledgeable he was, I mean this guy knew all about vet/ug gear, esters etc. I told him I was planning on doing a npp/test cycle starting this december, and he conviced me to keep it simple and stick with a moderate dose of test. This goes to show not all docs are bastards.

    Long story short, he wont prescribe me gear, I had to ask lol but has agreed to monitor my liver values etc. when ("If he cant stop me" lol) I go on cycle. He also said to come in mid cycle why estrogen leves are high and he can write me a script for nolvadex. Im also getting a script for finasteride. I know i can get all this stuff online but im glad I can do this under doctor supervision on the insurance company's dime. life is good

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    btw he was VERY VERY against UG gear. "he was like get human grade, or go try to convince an age clinic you have low test levels lol" apparently lots of people have been getting lead poising and infections from ug gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_T View Post
    btw he was VERY VERY against UG gear. "he was like get human grade, or go try to convince an age clinic you have low test levels lol" apparently lots of people have been getting lead poising and infections from ug gear.
    right..... idiots maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55 View Post
    right..... idiots maybe
    Becareful with that attitude. We all know how many UGLs have suddenly gone south from being the "best in the game" to bathtub grade gear in a matter of days. There is good UG gear out there but you are always taking a risk with it. Hell you are even taking a risk with HG gear from overseas since it is easily faked. If you can get legit HG gear always get it over UG IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T3/T4 GSR View Post
    Becareful with that attitude. We all know how many UGLs have suddenly gone south from being the "best in the game" to bathtub grade gear in a matter of days. There is good UG gear out there but you are always taking a risk with it. Hell you are even taking a risk with HG gear from overseas since it is easily faked. If you can get legit HG gear always get it over UG IMO.
    buyer beware

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    That's cool.

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    Im glad your so happy to be such a H.E.A.D keep takin them meds , howz the limp dick treating you?

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    Hey how about being happy for the bloke hey?

    good work brother, nice to know that your happy with your doc and that you can talk to him without the usual loong lectures.
    Sounds like he knows his shiit.
    Whether others on here say that you should be doin it some other way, Well ur gonna do it anyway and your doc has the broad minded approach that you are so i guess hes givin the best advice he can offer, so, Good 4 u man!!!

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    my doc doesnt understand the gear situation

    but she is freakin hot as hell. so i get her to check my balls as often as i can

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    my doc doesnt understand the gear situation

    but she is freakin hot as hell. so i get her to check my balls as often as i can
    and your prostate??

    those thin fingers come in handy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by spywizard View Post
    and your prostate??

    those thin fingers come in handy..
    lol. she doesnt do it. but my girls do. i like my g spot!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    lol. she doesnt do it. but my girls do. i like my g spot!!
    See Rulh , dukk can be a man and admit it. Now step up to the plate !

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    lol. she doesnt do it. but my girls do. i like my g spot!!
    oh god...

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    nice

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    dextro-amphetamine and zolpidem!!! you are getting into some addictive drugs there my man.

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    Also, my doctor is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cooler. Mostly because when i go in to see him he greets me with "Yo, whats happenin man?" and i have a nice script for test, arimidex, T3 and ritalin

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    no such thing as dextrol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    no such thing as dextrol
    i hadnt heard of it before either, but willing to bet its a version of dexedrine aka D-Amphetamine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN View Post
    i hadnt heard of it before either, but willing to bet its a version of dexedrine aka D-Amphetamine.
    I was thinking that too, maybe in another country a brand name or he got the name wrong. I take dex for the last 2 weeks now...I've been unmedicated for a long time now, decided to go back to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN View Post
    i hadnt heard of it before either, but willing to bet its a version of dexedrine aka D-Amphetamine.
    im on the generic dextro-amphetamine, btw wtf is a H.E.A.D? real mature dude
    Last edited by MR_T; 10-04-2008 at 12:15 PM. Reason: spell

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_T View Post
    btw wtf is a H.E.A.D? real mature dude
    Some one that chooses to go through life with the use of narcotics instead of living in reality. Like with some made up diagnosis like a.d.d. or whatever you want to call it, just man up and deal with shit, thats real mature DOOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobee View Post
    Some one that chooses to go through life with the use of narcotics instead of living in reality. Like with some made up diagnosis like a.d.d. or whatever you want to call it, just man up and deal with shit, thats real mature DOOD
    well I love how you know so much about ADD/ADHD and that your opinions have to the only ones that matter. All i can tell you is that my life is so much better now that i'm on meds, I use dex three times a week, and I have actually been able to pay attention in class. I am a 4.0 student tryin to get into med school, and have always had to work 10X harder than others for my grades because I've had to lock myself up in a room and learn the material without any distractions. My memory is much better, and life seems more organized. People who dont know i'm on meds, including teachers have noticed and commented on the difference for the better.

    just in case you wondered the professional thoughts on the matter
    1) The neurobiological nature of ADHD.....THE PROOF YOU SAY DOESNT EXIST: was conclusively proven in the 1990 landmark glucose brainscan research study published in the New England Journal of Medicine....


    Zametkin,A.J.,Nordahl,T.E.,Gross,M.,King,A.K.,Semp le,W.E.,Rumsey,J.,Hamburger,S.,& Cohen,R.M.(1990) Cerebral glucose metabolism in adults with hyperactivity of childhood onset. The New England Journal of Medicine,323,(30).1361-1366.

    The "proof" is in the PET scans that showed that the harder a person with ADHD concentrated the "slower" their brain went vs the exact opposite for the non ADHD group. However, that was remedied when the ADHD subjects took stimulant medication.

    THE definitive study proving the existence of ADHD as a "real" disorder;signed off on by over 80 of the world's leading scientists (with over 19 pages of references) is :

    Consortium of international scientists:International Consensus Statement on ADHD, January 2002. (http://www.chadd.org). It can also be viewed at Russell Barkley's website.


    You can turn to pages 22-24 of Sandra Rief's 2003 book.............The ADHD Book of Lists ....................to find the section (1-7) WHAT THE RESEARCH IS REVEALING ABOUT ADHD

    Within that section is the reference for the Landmark MTA Study:

    "There has been significant research with regards to treatments for ADHD and their relative effectiveness. The longest and most thorough study of the effects of ADHD interventions was the 1999 Multimodal Treatment Study of Children with ADHD (MTA) by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).

    MTA Cooperative Group" A 14-month Randomized Clinincal Trial of Treatment Strategies for AD/HD,"[i]Archives of General Psychiatry, 56:1073-1086;1999.

    ADHD is primarily thought to be largely (80%) genetic/inherited.THE GENETIC LANDMARK FOR ADHD WAS FOUND IN 995. That study is as follows:


    Cook,et.al.,(1995) Association of attention-deficit disorder and the dopamine transporter gene.American Journal of Human Genetics,56.993-998.

    The US Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health: Chapter 3: Disorders of Infancy, Childhood & Adolescence has excellent background info supporting in great detail (with another 19 pages of scientific references).Here's a small segment on what I'm talking about:
    " The exact etiology of ADHD is unknown,although neurotransmitter deficits,genetics and perinatal complications have been implicated." It goes on to say:

    "Research to pinpoint abnormal genes is honing in on 2 genes;a dopamine receptor gene (DRD) gene on chromosome 11 and the dopamine -transporter gene (DAT1) on chromosome 5 (Cook,et.al.,1995:Smalley,et.al.;1998).

    The latter reference is : Smalley,et.at.(1998) Evidence that the dopamine D4 receptor is a succeptibility gene in attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder,Molecular Psychiatry,3,427-430.

    Recently (3/25/05), I participated in a teleconference on ADHD in children put on by United Behavioral Health (UBH: a managed care company). The presenter was Russell Barkley, PhD. He is largely viewed as the world's leading researcher on ADHD. During that presentation, he listed the following (evidenced based/research derived) data regarding the neurology of ADHD.

    Decreased Cerebral Metabolism
    (from Thomas Spencer, M.D.)

    global and regional glucose metabolism by PET scan reduced in adults who have been hyper since childhood (thats Zametkin's research again).
    Largest reductions in:
    1) pre motor cortex
    2) superior prefrontal cortex

    Anterior Cingulate Dysfunction in ADHD, fMRI and the Counting Stroop.
    Bush,et.al.,(1998).


    Etiologies-Neurological

    Smaller, less active,less developed brain
    Regions found on MRI,fMRI and PET scans incluse the following areas of the brain:
    1) Orbital-Prefrontal Cortex( primarily on the right side)

    2) Basal Ganglia (mainly striatum and globus pallidus)

    3) Cerebellum (central vermis area, right side) - there were some other posts about this particualr area of the brain being a key component of ADHD in a different thread I believe

    Suspected Neurochemical Deficiency:

    1) Dopamine dysregulation likely but not definitive....... the mere fact that stimulant
    medication works at all to relieve symptoms of ADHD forms a solid basis
    for helping to substantiate this (and the first medication study was done in 1937 in
    Rhode Island)

    2) Norepinephrine dysregulation probable

    Etiologies- Genetic ( these data were all derived from research studies) The usual maker for statistical significance is 1.5 SD (standard deviation) 's from the mean, which equates to a %tile ranking of 93. In other words, the absolute lowest chance of these data being accurate is 93%.

    1) Family aggregation of the disorder: 25-35% of siblings; 78-92% of idnetical twins;15-20% of mothers, and 25-30% of fathers; If the parent is ADHD, then theres a 20-54% chance of the offspring being ADHD (increases the odds 8fold)

    2) Twin studies of Heritability 57-97%)

    3) Shared environment 0-6% (not significant)

    4) Unique environment (15-20% )


    Molecular Genetics : Candidate genes on DRD4,DAT1,DBH-Taq1 (on chromosomes 3,5,and 11)

    Candidate region: chromosome 26p13 region


    Lastly, the answer to your questions about the difference between ADHD and ADD can be found in Barkley's ADHD and the Nature of Self-Control (1997).
    It's also addressed in his 2002 book Taking Charge of ADHD (pages 137-138) and in You Mean Im Not Lazy,Stupid Or Crazy? by Kate Kelly & Peg Ramundo (Chapter 2).

    As for depression, it is considered to be a Medical disorder on the basis of the chemical imbalance of the neurotransmitter serotonin. I don't know anyone who considers it to be a "disease".

    There's no cure for the common cold but people know it exists. The Biogenic Amine Hypothesis was derived (via research) over 20 years ago. Here's what that says: "The concept that abnormalities in the physiology and metabolism of certain biogenic amines, particularly catecholamines[i](norepinephrine and dopamine ) and an indoleamine(serotonin) , are involved in the causes and courses of certain psychiatric illnesses."
    That qoute was from an older issue of A Psychiatric Glossary of the AMerican Psychiatric Association, page 28. The new one is at the office.

    The Biogenic Amine Hypothesis is what eventually led to the development of the class of antidepressants we now know as SSRI's (Select Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor's:Zoloft, Prozaz,etc.).


    This MORE than refutes your remarks. As of the summer of 2003 there were over 6k research articles,professional papers, chapters in book and books on ADHD.

    If you go to the International Consensus 2002 journal article, you will also find on page 89:

    "ADHD is recognized as a disorder/medical condition by the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobee View Post
    Some one that chooses to go through life with the use of narcotics instead of living in reality. Like with some made up diagnosis like a.d.d. or whatever you want to call it, just man up and deal with shit, thats real mature DOOD
    lets please not insult or disrespect other members. if you have nothing nice or helpful to post then please move on to the next thread. thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobee View Post
    Some one that chooses to go through life with the use of narcotics instead of living in reality. Like with some made up diagnosis like a.d.d. or whatever you want to call it, just man up and deal with shit, thats real mature DOOD
    ahahah, I agree somewhat. I just went to the doc and got a script for ritalin, works wonderfully whether or not you have "attention deficit disorder".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobee View Post
    Some one that chooses to go through life with the use of narcotics instead of living in reality. Like with some made up diagnosis like a.d.d. or whatever you want to call it, just man up and deal with shit, thats real mature DOOD
    dude, you take steroids...

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    My doc was very informed about AAS too... she didn't have anything bad to say about it at all, we even talked about what cycles I ran.

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    My doc sees no problem in running gear as long as it's monitored correctly. He's completely against HGH though.

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