Week 8 of sust cycle... wtf??

[Blooddraine]

Hey guys, I am entering my 8th week of sust 250 (@ 500mg/wk) cycle. Towards week 5 I started Adex at .30mg/ED to help with gyno in right nip, .30 didnt help so I increased to .50mg/ED and have kept it there. My question is, I have not gained more than a couple pounds in the first 8 weeks and i've noticed my vascularity has decreased... whats going on?? My diet has been very clean (im trying to gain lean mass) at about 3000-3500cal/day and in concern of overtraining ive limited my workouts to 2-4 exercises per bodypart, but have not sacrificed intensity.

My stats:
5'9"
173lbs.
7-8% bf
20yrs. old
1st cycle
4yrs. training

My training split:
Monday: Back + Abs
Tuesday: Shoulders + Traps
Wednesday: Legs + Calves
Thursday: Chest + Abs
Friday: Biceps
Saturday: Triceps + Calves

Any ideas??? Thx guys!

[binder]

If you've only gained a few pounds then i would say your gear is bad. You can gain a few pounds on diet alone. You should have increased sex drive also. I'm not sure what's up with your "gyno". Maybe it's something else like a slight infection or a swollen lymph node. You should definitely feel sus after 8 weeks of use.

[Blooddraine]

im sure its not bad gear its pharmaceutical grade, its not ugl

[funbos]

imo your susta is s***t, and for adex if you have it from the same source its also s**t bro 50mg, 10 tabs ????

[god-send]

what pharm grade is it oragon paki or nile ?

or somthink else?

[funbos]

and you got it from pharma ????

[Blooddraine]

im not sure exactly what brand it is i can check when i get home but wont get home til round 10 at night today... im at work. funbos you misread the adex was at .50mg/ed not 50mg

[Blooddraine]

you guys actually imma get my sister to read me the name when she gets home so ill have it in a bit...

[JiGGaMaN]

imo your susta is s***t, and for adex if you have it from the same source its also s**t bro 50mg, 10 tabs ????

you may be thinking of aromasin not arimidex.

[jamyjamjr]

i was yoked my 8th week of sust... i love that stuff

[LATS60]

im not sure exactly what brand it is i can check when i get home but wont get home til round 10 at night today... im at work. funbos you misread the adex was at .50mg/ed not 50mg

You been shooting for 8wks and you don't even know what sust it is?
Also just because it's apparantly pharma, doesn't mean it's not a fake.
There's plenty of fake karachi and nile around.
.50Adex, gets strangerer and strangerer.

[binder]

They use sust clinically? I've only seen cyp and enanthate in the PDR. I don't know what something like sustanon would do for HRT.

[LATS60]

LOL, of course, thats what it was invented for.

[DrTY]

by the time i had hit my 8th week i had gained almost 9 kilos id say that sus isnt phar grade
This is pharm grade sus

[Blooddraine]

its becoming more and more apparent that its a fake... im not sure what to take from this cuz my cousin cycles with the same gear from same source and he gained about 20 pounds off his cycle and he started at 5'6" 190... my sis read me the label. its "msg european" (wasnt sure if putting the name here is against the forum rules if it is plz let me know and il put it down).

[Blooddraine]

i think i should also mention my strength has increased on the cycle... if its a fake im assuming this increase in strength would be due to placebo effect..??

[LATS60]

I dunno, i'll just refer back to#11.

[binder]

LOL, of course, thats what it was invented for.

What pharmaceutical company makes it? they do not list it in my PDR which means it's not tested by the USP.

i'll check another edition of the PDR, but i doubt i'll find it in there either.

[Blooddraine]

what he meant is it was initially used for that purpose because injections were only needed to be administered every month or so due to the long esters (this is obviously not the smartest injection protocal) but it was used to avoid frequent injections and make it more conveniant for the patient.

[Blooddraine]

damn man this is the second cycle ive tried to run it doesnt seem like nething wants to work lol.

[LATS60]

What pharmaceutical company makes it? they do not list it in my PDR which means it's not tested by the USP.

i'll check another edition of the PDR, but i doubt i'll find it in there either.

Iv'e pm'd you mate.

[binder]

what he meant is it was initially used for that purpose because injections were only needed to be administered every month or so due to the long esters (this is obviously not the smartest injection protocal) but it was used to avoid frequent injections and make it more conveniant for the patient.

I work with an internal medicine doctor. I happen to give those injections.

sustanon is a blend of esters. a short ester, 2 medium, and a long. It would NOT be recommended for 1 dose a month. It's an E3D dosage.

Enanathate and cypionate are the two used for HRT. USP actually has dosing for propionate also.

In both the 2008 PDR (62nd edition) nor the 2008 Drug Handbook is there anything about Sustanon. Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate. So i'm curious now.

[Mulciber]

cyp is most common here in the states
overseas its sust.

e3d with sust for bodybuilding purposes..
HRT, sust was created for just that reason.. to maintain normal test ranges with less frequent injections.

[beatango2008]

That is really weird man, How much has your strenth gains went up?
maybe not enough cals? but you should still gain water weight, let us know how it goes

[binder]

Iv'e pm'd you mate.

got it...i'm a little slow to respond because i'm at work. sorry

cyp is most common here in the states
overseas its sust.

e3d with sust for bodybuilding purposes..
HRT, sust was created for just that reason.. to maintain normal test ranges with less frequent injections.

I'm curious why they don't list it in the PDR. This is the newest version.

What do they list as the halflife of Sustanon? from what i understand it's not a very long one which wouldn't seem to work for a monthly dose.

[Mulciber]

believe its around 18 days..
decanoate is the long ester in sust. longer than both enanthate and cyp

[binder]

believe its around 18 days..
decanoate is the long ester in sust. longer than both enanthate and cyp

Interesting. I did not know it had decanoate in it. Like I said, it's not listed in my PDR. I was under the assumption it was to be used as a medium length ester do to the amount of blend.

Thanks for educating me. Anyone care to take a stab at why it's not listed in a PDR or a drug manual? I was almost certain they list more than just American drugs in the PDR.