Milk Thistle and B12

[steptoe]

Hey all, quick question.... What are the suggested dosages of Milk Thistle and Vitamin B12 while on a cycle of 600mg per week of Test E and 200mg per week of Tren A? In the 4th week of cycle, but just started the Tren 2 days ago.

Stats:
38 years old
5'8" 205lbs
12.6% BF

Diet is very clean with intake of about 3,000-3,500 calories and 250-400 grams of protein per day. Eating 6-8 times per day.

[stpete]

First off...Get that fat ass off my screen. haha.. Second, milk thistle is highly overrated. Next, why b-12? Do you have a problem eating? Lastly, how about some stats? 200mgs of tren ace ew?
How long is this cycle?

[steptoe]

First off...Get that fat ass off my screen. haha.. Second, milk thistle is highly overrated. Next, why b-12? Do you have a problem eating? Lastly, how about some stats? 200mgs of tren ace ew?
How long is this cycle?

LOL... Just realized it should be B6. So B12 is used for appetite? And no, the gorgeous ass stays, sorry.

Cycle looks like this...

Weeks 1-12 Test E shot twice a week at 300mg per shot/ 600 mg per week

Weeks 4-10 Trenbolone A 100 shot eod at 50mg per shot. I know ed is suggested, but it is very hard for me to do this basically because of my schedule, eod works much better for me. Is the dosage too small for eod? I was considering boosting up to 75mg per shot.

PCT includes HCG, Nolva, Clomid and Proviron, all on hand.

[Mulciber]

if eod id bump the tren up

[steptoe]

if eod id bump the tren up

Any recommended dosage? Stuff is pretty amazing, only 2 shots in and already noticing an increase in aggression.

[WARMachine]

Its too much for your schedule?

You cant spare 5 minutes a day? lol btw, bang bros!


Anyway, if youre shooting EOD, id do 150mgs. If youre doing ED, do 75mgs.

[stpete]

Its too much for your schedule?

You cant spare 5 minutes a day? lol btw, bang bros!


Anyway, if youre shooting EOD, id do 150mgs. If youre doing ED, do 75mgs.

War's on it....150 eod.

[T_Own]

i don't see why you would add milk thistle at all unless you're taking an oral. that cycle will do next to nothing to your liver so you'll be fine without it.

at first i thought you stole stpete's name lol. too close together there

[steptoe]

i don't see why you would add milk thistle at all unless you're taking an oral. that cycle will do next to nothing to your liver so you'll be fine without it.

at first i thought you stole stpete's name lol. too close together there

Really? See this is why I come here. Everyone I talk to at the gym and other places says Tren is very harsh on the liver. Just wasted $64 on two bottles the supposed top notch milk thistle.

Couple more questions. 150mg per shot, which works out to 600mg every 8 days, seems like a lot. Would 100mg per shot be acceptable or am I just wasting it at that dose? Oh, one thing I failed to mention before was that it actually is 50% Acetate and 50% Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate.

First time cycle, and the reason I felt comfortable getting on the Tren was because I was responding very well to the Test with no side effects besides a little nut shrinkage, and have two friends on the exact same gear I have (the Tren) and are loving it. I really don't fear all the negative things I've heard on here about it, and had a lot of friends tell me they did Tren their first time and loved it as well. At the same time though, I don't want to over do it.

[stpete]

Stay here and you'll learn a lot man. I would tell you that 100mgs is fine(of tren ace) but i don't know what that other chemical is.

We need some help. I'll get it for us.

[stpete]

Bump.

[anon03191970]

Info I found:

Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate
Parabolan contains a much different ester than Finaject and Finajet, called Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of trenbolone for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use.


The amount of trenbolone in 76 mg of Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate is equivalent to the amount of trenbolone in only 58 mg of Trenbolone Acetate. The acetate is a little more potent, more effective per milligram, because the acetate ester is lighter than the cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester; therefore a higher percentage of the weight of Trenbolone Acetate is trenbolone. A similar comparison also can be made with the other long lasting esters of trenbolone: enanthate and hexahydrobenzylcarbonate.

The muscle building properties of Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate are the same as Trenbolone Acetate (Finaject or Finajet) except for the longer half-life.

Although it is very similar, this compound is NOT the same as Trenbolone Enanthate. The only difference in these compounds is the esters (see ester definitions below), which all act almost identically (long lasting esters).

[WARMachine]

There are 5 different kinds of Tren.

1. Trenbolone Acetate--injectable version (Finaject and Finajet)

2. Trenbolone Acetate--pellet form (Finaplix)

3. Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (called Parabolan by Bill Roberts)

4. Trenbolone Hexahydrobencylcarbonate (called Parabolan on many message boards)

5. Trenbolone Enanthate

Parabolan contains a much different ester, trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of the drug for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use.

One common mistake I see is calling Trenbolone Hexahydrobencylcarbonate "Tren Enanthate." They are similar, but not the same I also have seen people refer to Tren Acetate as Parabolan--wrong!

Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate and Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate are exactly the same substances. Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester is just another name for cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester.

Clear it up for you StPete?

[anon03191970]

I believe Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate and Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate are intercahngable and just extends the activity in the body and are pretty much the same. I could be wrong.

[WARMachine]

Basically bro, due to the fact that half mix is Ace, i would still inject ED. (Kinda like how Sus has Prop in it.)

Keep the doses the same, though i wouldnt be surprised if it took at least a week to see the full effects of your Tren due to the long ester in hexahydrobenzylcarbonate.

[lovbyts]

Dude, really dont do a cycle yet. I am the same height as you and was at 205 1 yr ago. You are WAY to heavy for a cycle yet. I got down to 175 before my first and I honesty was not really ready for it.

If your diet is not 99% on target (your 205 it's NOT) then you are throwing your money away. My diet was pretty good and I was 30bls less than you but my gains would have been a lot better if I had waited another 6 months and my diet was a little better.

Also, I have very good genetics and I carried my 205 very good compared to most people. Look at my 1st cycle post (history search) and you can see before and after pictures.

Really, dont waste your money yet, get the diet on track, read a lot and get your weight down to at least 175 or less before starting.

[stpete]

There are 5 different kinds of Tren.

1. Trenbolone Acetate--injectable version (Finaject and Finajet)

2. Trenbolone Acetate--pellet form (Finaplix)

3. Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (called Parabolan by Bill Roberts)

4. Trenbolone Hexahydrobencylcarbonate (called Parabolan on many message boards)

5. Trenbolone Enanthate

Parabolan contains a much different ester, trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of the drug for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use.

One common mistake I see is calling Trenbolone Hexahydrobencylcarbonate "Tren Enanthate." They are similar, but not the same I also have seen people refer to Tren Acetate as Parabolan--wrong!

Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate and Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate are exactly the same substances. Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester is just another name for cyclohexylmethylcarbonate ester.

Clear it up for you StPete?

Thanks bro. Yes you did.

[steptoe]

Dude, really dont do a cycle yet. I am the same height as you and was at 205 1 yr ago. You are WAY to heavy for a cycle yet. I got down to 175 before my first and I honesty was not really ready for it.

If your diet is not 99% on target (your 205 it's NOT) then you are throwing your money away. My diet was pretty good and I was 30bls less than you but my gains would have been a lot better if I had waited another 6 months and my diet was a little better.

Also, I have very good genetics and I carried my 205 very good compared to most people. Look at my 1st cycle post (history search) and you can see before and after pictures.

Really, dont waste your money yet, get the diet on track, read a lot and get your weight down to at least 175 or less before starting.

I appreciate your feedback, thing is I am 4 weeks into the cycle. Not really worried about the money, but definitely don't want to hurt myself or waste the time I put into this. As far as my build and look, 205 on me looks very natural, and I am already pretty cut and definitely muscular. Judging me just by my height really doesn't do justice, I am a wide bodied guy, if that makes sense. Also, I've been training forever. As far as my diet, it is definitely in check, and has been for quite some time, and I have been doing cardio long before I started this cycle. So far I am very happy with the gains I have made, I'm sure if I got down to 180-190 it would be better, but what's done is done.

[lovbyts]

I appreciate your feedback, thing is I am 4 weeks into the cycle. Not really worried about the money, but definitely don't want to hurt myself or waste the time I put into this. As far as my build and look, 205 on me looks very natural, and I am already pretty cut and definitely muscular. Judging me just by my height really doesn't do justice, I am a wide bodied guy, if that makes sense. Also, I've been training forever. As far as my diet, it is definitely in check, and has been for quite some time, and I have been doing cardio long before I started this cycle. So far I am very happy with the gains I have made, I'm sure if I got down to 180-190 it would be better, but what's done is done.

OK I understand what you are saying but Ill bet you will look back in 4 months and say Wow, I was a lard ass. LOL I now I did. I felt the same way, got the diet in check more or less, always felt like I carried my weight VERY well, everyone though I was around 180 but after loosing the weight it was a HUGE change.
Good luck with your cycle, but I bet your 2nd one is much better.

[steptoe]

OK I understand what you are saying but Ill bet you will look back in 4 months and say Wow, I was a lard ass. LOL I now I did. I felt the same way, got the diet in check more or less, always felt like I carried my weight VERY well, everyone though I was around 180 but after loosing the weight it was a HUGE change.
Good luck with your cycle, but I bet your 2nd one is much better.

Thanks my friend, I completely understand what you are saying. I definitely could be lighter with less body fat, there is no question about that. I guess you could say I was eager to start and didn't want to wait the extra amount of time it would take to get the BF down. Hopefully this doesn't sound incredibly stupid, but part of the reason for starting the Tren other than wanting to see even more muscular growth, was to burn off some more BF.

One thing I didn't mention was I was at 195 on 9/15/08 when I started this cycle, but I'm sure the majority of the weight I have put on is because of the extra food intake.