Havoc

[niceshotman]

A buddy of mine used HAVOC and said it gave him good results with strength and max lifts. I'm curious if anyone has tried this, and what they think of it, or what they used for PCT after using it.

[Reed]

Well what would you like to know?? Never used it myself but....

Basic over view
-sulfur containing steroidal androgen
-structure similar to methyl DHT
-seems to be very good for dry,hard, strength gains and not for "wet" gains
- seems to work as a steroidal AI, so no other Prescription AI (Letro, Aromasin) is needed for PCT or during cycle
- about 1100% anabolic and 70% compared to methyl test, in rats of course
- its a methyl though much much less toxic then superdrol

good cycle would be 4 weeks at 30mg ed

Make sure to use support supps while on and after. milk thistle, 0mega-3s, Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10

PCT a good SERM no AI!!! Pick either Nolvadex or Toremifene
wk 1-2:40mg (Nolva)
wk 3-4:20mg (nolva)
or
Torem:
wk 1: 90mg
wk 2: 90mg
wk 3: 60mg
wk 4: 30mg

Added creatine etc into your PCT regiment to help keep gains, dont use during a cycle. Maybe an Over the Counter test booster like 6 oxo with some trib for your libido but only during PCT

[niceshotman]

thanks for the info dude

[ActiveMuscle]

Well what would you like to know?? Never used it myself but....

Basic over view
-sulfur containing steroidal androgen
-structure similar to methyl DHT
-seems to be very good for dry,hard, strength gains and not for "wet" gains
- seems to work as a steroidal AI, so no other Prescription AI (Letro, Aromasin) is needed for PCT or during cycle
- about 1100% anabolic and 70% compared to methyl test, in rats of course
- its a methyl though much much less toxic then superdrol

good cycle would be 4 weeks at 30mg ed

Make sure to use support supps while on and after. milk thistle, 0mega-3s, Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10

PCT a good SERM no AI!!! Pick either Nolvadex or Toremifene
wk 1-2:40mg (Nolva)
wk 3-4:20mg (nolva)
or
Torem:
wk 1: 90mg
wk 2: 90mg
wk 3: 60mg
wk 4: 30mg

Added creatine etc into your PCT regiment to help keep gains, dont use during a cycle. Maybe an Over the Counter test booster like 6 oxo with some trib for your libido but only during PCT

can you give me info on super Anadrol(2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one)

[Reed]

can you give me info on super Anadrol(2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one)

That is superdrol

[ActiveMuscle]

That is superdrol

well the chemical structure of Super anadrol is 2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one

Superdrol 2a-17a-dymethel-etiocholan-3-1-17b-ol

???
If it is the same can you give me info on it

[Reed]

The companies are switching up the formula slightly to still be able to sell it. It may not be able to produce the same exact gains as the original compound but it should be close

First off I'm just going to say that superdrol is one of those bastards that is hard to figure out and as yet to be fully understood.

2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one- Superdrol

2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one- Masteron

17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one- Anadrol

Superdrol is the modification of Masteron by adding another methyl group to the 17th position. Or they added 2a-17a-dimethyl to Masteron. It gets its name from it being super-saturated form of Anadrol. Superdrol is a example of a crossbreed b/w Anadrol and Masteron and falls between the chemical natures of the two. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position it cannot make estrogen and progesterone is not an issue.

The reason it seems that people get gyno after a superdrol cycle is b/c we produce androstenedione naturally.

Quote:

Androstenedione (also known as 4-androstenedione) is a 19-carbon steroid hormone produced in the adrenal glands and the gonads as an intermediate step in the biochemical pathway that produces the androgen testosterone and the estrogens estrone and estradiol.

It is one step away from testosterone or could convert to estradiol through the aromatase enzyme. This is the reason for gyno after a cycle b/c the body won't convert SD into estrogen but can already use the other available hormones to do so.

For PCT I'd suggest a SERM/6 oxo. Letro will be overkill and may cause the dreaded rebound effect. I continue to say and believe that people are too worried about estrogen and do not understand that it is anabolic. People adding in AI's to every cycle are IMO hindering significant gains that could be made. Now granted it is needed in some cycles, mostly advance ones though. It is all about estrogen control and this is where blood work comes in handy.

[qwerty33]

what about clomi for ptc instead of nolva?