week 4, day 2

[Headliner]

Stats
weight: 170lbs
fat: high single digit bodyfat%
age: 19 (not the topic bros)
training: 2 years
height 6'0
diet: 3500-4000 cal (~100g fat/200g+ protein/~350-400g carbs)


Cycle
Sust 250
~125mgs** shot EoD

**shot a little over the 125ml mark, 15 shots so far, with about 1 shot left in vial, so lets just say 16 shots out from a 10ml vial of 250mgs/per ml. 2500mgs sust/16 shots = 156mgs.25 per shot ive been shooting (Of course some resin is left in each syringe/vial)


So its week 4, day 2... and weight has gone up 3 lbs(173) since start of cycle... and no noticeable strength gains. Sex drive has gone up SLIGHTLY, i'm going to go ahead and say I'm 10% more hornier vs pre cycle.

Injections have been fine, no pain/infections... so gear is defiantly sterile, but as far as if its fake or not... I think I'd have to say its possibly under dosed?





What do you guys think, should I be humping my grandmother by now and noticing a little strength gains? I bought it from a guy at work who juices, don't know him that well or talk to him much but he says he uses same lab and it should good. Should I pop open my next vial (bought 2) and continue with cycle, or go back to him and ask for different stuff?

Thanks

[WARMachine]

You should be feeling something soon. Id say continue with the injections until week 9 or so. If you havent gained much, or noticed some strength increase, the gear is bunk.

btw, i know you dont want to here it, but you are to young, to small, and your diet macros are average at best.

Let me see your diet, im sure thats part of the problem.

Show how much each thing weighs, and macros per meal if you have them.

[Headliner]

heh, heres my workout day mealplan, I eat more food ontop of this usual (~500 cals), this is just the minimum. I started at 130lbs, so I've gain 43lbs so far

9:00 BREAKFAST
Vector (55g)
Calories: 215
Protein: 5.5g
Fat(s)(t): 2.8g(0.5)(0)
carbs: 44g
sugar: 11g
sodium: 365mg
fiber: 2.7g

2% milk (125 ml)
Calories: 65
Protein: 4.5g
Fat(s)(t): 2.5g(1.75g)(0.05g)
carbs: 6g
sugar: 5.5g
sodium: 70mg
fiber: 0

eggs (x2 large)
Calories: 140
Protein: 12g
Fat(s)(t): 10g(3g)(0g)
carbs: 0g
sugar:0g
sodium 110mg:
fiber: 0g

banana (large)
Calories:121
Protein: 1g
Fat(s)(t): 0g
carbs: 31g
sugar: 17g
sodium: 1mg
fiber: 4g
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Calories: 541
Protein: 23g
Fat(s)(t): 15.3g (5.25g)(0.05g)
carbs: 81g
sugar: 33.5 g
sodium: 546mg
fiber: 6.7g


11:30 LUNCH
Rice (100g uncooked)
Calories: 360
Protein: 7g
Fat(s)(t): 4g(0)(0)
carbs: 77g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 0mg
fiber: 6g

chicken breast(150g)
Calories: 120
Protein: 24g
Fat(s)(t): 3g(0.75g)(0g)
carbs: 0g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 420mg
fiber: 0g

2% milk (250 ml)
Calories: 130
Protein: 9g
Fat(s)(t): 5g(3.5g)(0.1g)
carbs: 12g
sugar: 11g
sodium: 140g
fiber: 0g
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Calories: 610
Protein: 40g
Fat(s)(t): 13g(4.25g)(0.1g)
carbs: 89g
sugar: 11g
sodium: 560mg
fiber: 6g


2:25 PRE WORKOUT
granola bar
Calories: 150
Protein: 2g
Fat(s)(t): 4 (2.5)(0.2)
carbs: 26g
sugar: 11g
sodium: 105mg
fiber: 1g

shake
Calories: 355
Protein: 13.3g
Fat(s)(t): 9.5 (0.5)(0)
carbs: 54g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 250mg
fiber: 0g
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Calories: 505
Protein: 15.3g
Fat(s)(t): 13.5 (2.5)(0.2)
carbs: 80g
sugar:11g
sodium: 355mg
fiber: 1g

4:00 workout

6:00 POST WORKOUT
Whey (29.4g)
Calories: 110
Protein: 24g
Fat(s)(t): 1g(0.5g)(0)
carbs: 2g
sugar: 1g
sodium: 50mg
fiber: 0g

2% milk (250 ml)
Calories: 130
Protein: 9g
Fat(s)(t): 5g(3.5g)(0.1g)
carbs: 12g
sugar: 11g
sodium: 140g
fiber: 0

Olvil Oil (1 tbl spn)
Calories: 120
Protein: 0g
Fat(s)(t): 14g (0g)(0g)
carbs: 0g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 0g
fiber: 0g

bagle
Calories: 310
Protein: 11g
Fat(s)(t): 2g(0.5)(0)
carbs: 61g
sugar: 13g
sodium: 360mg
fiber: 5g
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Calories: 670
Protein: 44g
Fat(s)(t): 22g (4.5g)(0.1g)
carbs: 75g
sugar: 25g
sodium: 550mg
fiber: 5g


7:00 SNACK
PB 2tbsp (30g)
Calories: 200
Protein: 6
Fat(s)(t): 16g(2g)(0g)
carbs: 6g
sugar: 2g
sodium: 0mg
fiber: 2g
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PB 2tbsp (30g)
Calories: 200
Protein: 6
Fat(s)(t): 16g(2g)(0g)
carbs: 6g
sugar: 2g
sodium: 0mg
fiber: 2g


9:30 SNACK
Tuna (120g)
Calories: 140
Protein: 32g
Fat(s)(t): 2g(0g)(0g)
carbs: 0g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 380mg
fiber: 0g

mayo (1 ttbsp)
Calories: 100
Protein: 0.1g
Fat(s)(t): 11g(1.5g)(0g)
carbs: 0g
sugar:0g
sodium: 70mg
fiber: 0g

safeway nut grain bread(43g 2 slice)
Calories: 200
Protein: 10g
Fat(s)(t): 6g(0.6)(0)
carbs: 30g
sugar: 6g
sodium: 280mg
fiber: 2g
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Calories: 440
Protein: 42.1g
Fat(s)(t):19g(2.1g)(0g)
carbs: 30g
sugar: 6g
sodium: 730mg
fiber: 2g


11:00 BEFORE BED
Rice Cake
Calories: 35
Protein: 1g
Fat(s)(t): 0
carbs: 8g
sugar: 0g
sodium: 0g
fiber: 0g

cottage cheese
Calories:110
Protein: 15g
Fat(s)(t): 2.5g(1.5)(0)
carbs: 5g
sugar: 5g
sodium: 50mg
fiber: 0g

2% Milk (250 ml) + 1 scoop protein (32g)
Calories: 240
Protein: 34g
Fat(s)(t): 6g(3.8g)(0.1g)
carbs: 14g
sugar: 12g
sodium: 460mg
fiber: 1g

PB 1tbsp (15g)
Calories: 100
Protein: 3
Fat(s)(t): 8g(1g)(0g)
carbs: 3g
sugar: 1g
sodium: 0mg
fiber: 1g
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Calories: 485
Protein: 53g
Fat(s)(t): 16.5 (5.3g)(0.1g)
carbs: 30g
sugar: 18g
sodium: 510mg
fiber: 2g

TOTAL

Calories: 3451
Protein: 223.4g
Fat(s)(t): 115.3g (25.9g)(0.55g)
carbs: 391g
sugar: 106.5g
sodium: 3251 mg
fiber: 24.7g

729.7

Food Macro
30.6% Protein
15.8% Fat
53.6% Carbs

[Headliner]

I'm going to be changing it around though, switching to 0% milk to get rid of the saturated fat, and going to add more egg whites, bread, peanuts/almonds etc.

[Headliner]

Wait, FU CK! All my threads turn into diet/age wars!! My diets fine for now, still putting on cpl lbs a month, and I will be tweaking it as time progresses, as for age, I've put it off for 2 years and I'm more then happy with that, cycle is due to career goals, so lets leave it at that. Answers directed about my cycle appreciated.

[WARMachine]

Thats because that diet is sub-par...

not to mention, im calling a few of those macros into question...

And i did answer your questions about the cycle didnt I?

[Headliner]

Yes you did, thank you, was directing that to anyone else coming into the thread, as far diet, if I'm still gaining 1-2lbs per month, shouldn't that mean its fine? Also macros, i got them right off the labels.

[WARMachine]

Bananas and bagels have labels? lol

I know im busting balls, but my point is you should check out some diets in the proper section.

Diet Help
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355744

Diet Section
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Choosing Diets
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

I would lay one out that i use for you, but honestly im tired so im gonna show you this one i have saved.

This would be an ideal diet for your goals.

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat


That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

[Headliner]

Thanks for the diet, anyone else have opinions if my cycle is legit or not? Possibly anyone else whos taking a sust cycle?

[Headliner]

well, broke the seal on next vial and injected, going to be upping the dose slightly, lets see what that does, would still appreciate some insight on others who have done a sust only cycle though.

[Headliner]

Man... really concerned about this, my friend from work who juices, who got me my amps through his guy, was telling me I'm not going to get much mass/noticing much on 500-600mgs/week. Saying that's the minimum baseline for cycles and I shouldn't be expecting much from it. (hes currently cruising on 900mg's week, pretty big guy, 5'6 190lbs)

Now from what i've researched from here I believe that isn't true, and almost sounds like hes IS scamming me and this stuff is under dosed, but I don't wanna sound like a retard and say "well people from an online website who I've never met are telling me your stuffs under dosed!". Since all his knowledge is from hands on experience, and I'm just finding my stuff out from a computer. Day 33 today of cycle... still 173 lbs, no "on" feeling.

[daem]

(hes currently cruising on 900mg's week, pretty big guy, 5'6 190lbs)

LOL. Are you serious? Lots of gear for a short, tiny little fella.

[Headliner]

LOL. Are you serious? Lots of gear for a short, tiny little fella.

Yeah that's the thing about this guy, hes a good guy and everything, but hes going to die before he's 30. He started using at 17, hes 20 now, and I donno much between him 17-20 but, I know hes "on" always now, doesn't cycle and, isn't really knowledgeable in PCT. Tried talking to him about SERMS and AI's, or if his guy any Clomid, and he never heard of any of that.

Now I know I should try and help him, but come on I'm a novice bb'er, and have been cycling for 1 month now, vs his 3 years of experience and his size, he bulked up to 210 last winter, was a little 5'6 tank. I'm not about to try and tell him how to do things.

[Banelord]

no man something is wrong here, your into 4 weeks and only gain 3 lbs. Man I'm on deca 275 and test E 500 mg my sex drive is out of control I have to look for hookers now...LOL

[anabolictonic]

mm i wouldnt gauge the gear by sex drive tho.. im a horny son of a bitch neway and havent noticed ne sex drive increase and im in week 6 of test e cycle... i thort my gear was bunk as i didnt feel i looked any bigger... but.... i weighed myself for first time in 4 weeks today and im up 6.5 kg from start of cycle :P who woulda thort

[daem]

If you don't think he knows what he is doing, then you shouldn't trust him to be giving you legit gear.

I think your protein intake with the diet you posted is the problem. You shouldn't be getting 50% of your calories from carbohydrates...That's way too much!

I'd listen to war4BTT before you start worrying about your gear.

You should be seeing some results with Sust at this point, but once again, I'm inclined to believe it is crappy diet that is limiting you.

[Headliner]

bleh, I'm on that "you can digest more then 30-40grams of protein at a time" wagon, your guys are saying up the protein? Alright, I'll aim for 250-300/day, but still keep it to around 50grams at a time, just up the ones that are low.

[daem]

It's not about shoving 100g of protein at each meal, but 30-40 is far too low...Don't go higher than 60g per meal and eat 5-6 times a day depending on schedule to get at least 350g protein.

Your protein uptake will be greatly increased while on steroids, so you should try to create a surplus if possible.

When you make the diet tweaks, you'll begin to notice big changes.

[Doub1e_J]

I am not hornier but I wake up with hard ons and while I am driving. Kinda strange. I have gained close to 13lbs so far and my strength is up. I just started week 5. 400mg a week of cyp.

All I am trying to say is sex drive is not the only thing. I would change my diet if I were you.