Trib in PCT

[vishus]

hey guys, starting my PCT wednesday after my first cycle, was reading up and some suggested tribulus in your PCT to help with LH. just wondering if any agree/disagree and if agreed how many mg's daily?

cycle: test cyp 500mg weekly 8 weeks/ arimidex .25mg ED 10 weeks
PCT: clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20

stats:

19yrs old
5'11"
260lbs
14%BF (more or less)
5years training exp
1st cycle

[Kale]

Cant hurt although I think Tongkat Ali is a better alternative than Trib

[vishus]

Cant hurt although I think Tongkat Ali is a better alternative than Trib

tongkat ali? can you find that in GNC or something? never heard of it

[redz]

Why did you run the test only 8 weeks? I dont bother with tribulus myself but I dont see much harm coming from it.

[vishus]

Why did you run the test only 8 weeks? I dont bother with tribulus myself but I dont see much harm coming from it.

i only ran it 8 weeks because i have to start another cutting cycle in february for my next show, i wanted to take it 12 weeks but had to cut it short

[redz]

Personally I wouldnt have even done a pct with that small a gap.

[redz]

Just to clarify I would have just cruised on test into the next one.

[vishus]

woah! ok, now im interested, seriously. this was my first cycle keep in mind.....how would i cruise? like 100mg weekly?

[redz]

There isnt much point in doing a pct just to start another cycle at the conclusion of the pct so you could have just used say 250mg per week of test just to keep everything going. This is what your saying right? your pct will end and almost right away your going to cycle again. Not much point to that also you could throw some HCG in the mix just to keep the boys right.

[vishus]

^^yeah youre right about a week or so after my PCT i have to start dieting and cutting, but i havent taken any test since last sunday morning? ive already been off it 1.5 weeks? should i just stick to taking the PCT?

[pakroids]

I read somewhere Trib. can POSSIBLY inc. size of your cohonas if used right throughout or towards the end of a cycle, otherwise get HCG, if it were possible where i live i wouldnt ever hesitate, no hard feelings vish. PEACE.

[vishus]

^^^none taken bro, thanks for advice!!!

[redz]

You could still just use a low dose test into your next cycle, I dont see the point of pct if the next cycle starts right away but you may want to get more opinions.

[Swifto]

No form of Tribulas or Tongkat ali has been proven to raise endogenous testosterone.

You PCT looks fine, alhtough I'd lower your doses to 25-50mg/ED Clomid and Nolva at 20mg/ED.

If you want a supplement that will raise endogenous T, use Primordial Performance's Testosterone Recovery Stack, but its expensive.

[vishus]

No form of Tribulas or Tongkat ali has been proven to raise endogenous testosterone.

You PCT looks fine, alhtough I'd lower your doses to 25-50mg/ED Clomid and Nolva at 20mg/ED.

If you want a supplement that will raise endogenous T, use Primordial Performance's Testosterone Recovery Stack, but its expensive.

thanks for the info

[vishus]

just got 5000iu of HCG last night, was wondering if i should take 500iu 2x weekly duing PCT or just stick with nolva and clomid?

[vishus]

anyone??? War? Big? PT?

[Swifto]

just got 5000iu of HCG last night, was wondering if i should take 500iu 2x weekly duing PCT or just stick with nolva and clomid?

HCG needs to be used during your cycle, or the final 2-3 weeks. Not during PCT.

PCT is done with SERMs and AIs.

[vishus]

^^^ gotch bro, just wonderin thanks for the advice!! PCT starts wednesday

[steveo26486]

i have jucing for nearly 10 years, and have done loads of different PCT's. nothing has ever worked amazingly. But some reason when i added Tongkat ali to my PCT last year it made a big enough difference for me to keep it included.
Cloimd 100/1 week -50 for 2 weeks
Novadex 40/2 week- 20 for 2 weeks
Insulin 10iu 4 days a week 4 weeks
25mg t3 only with insulin
1200mg tongkat ali extract 50:1// 4days on 3 days off /6 weeks? has to extract only and high dose 1000mg-2000mg

i have kept nearly all my gains for past 2 cycles
no fat gain with the slin either

[Swifto]

Last time...

Tribulus works great in MICE. In humans there isnt a single study that shows it works and its been tested more then once.

There isnt any actual science that supports the use of ANY Tribulus species plant in humans for anything other then a possible aphrodisiac effect. The results of tribulus studies in mice do not apply to humans.

http://blog.bodybuilding.com/Sldge


Time and time again I see people recommending the use of Tribulus for boosting testosterone. Its a shame that people somehow still believe or want to believe this compound is worth spending any money on. Since this column is about the science, let?s see what?s out there. In a study done at the Human Performance Lab in NV the researchers found that ?Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.? (1) The Swiss Laboratory for Doping Analyses did a short term study to see if using tribulus would effect the hormone levels of athletes who compete in drug tested events. (2) What were their findings? ?The short-term treatment with Tribulus terrestris showed no impact on the endogenous testosterone metabolism of the two subjects.? Now I know what you are thinking, it was only two subjects, how about something with a bigger test group. No problem. How about 22 elite male Austrailian rugby athletes, certainly that?s a good group of people to test tribulus on.(3) By now you may have guessed that the outcome was not good. Specifically they found ?no between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days.? The results also backed up the Swiss Lab syud by finding that ?T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency?s urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.? The final nail in the coffin comes in this last study done in Bulgaria. (4) Neychev and Mitev from the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at the Medical University in Sofia Bulgaria tested tribulus in twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg. They concluded ?tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties.?

So what is the quick and easy take home message? If you are a man or women who wants to gain muscle, lose fat, increase testosterone or any other natural anabolic or androgenic hormones then DO NOT USE TRIBULUS!

1.The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males.

Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C. Human Performance Laboratory, University of Nebraska, Kearney, NE 68849-3101, USA.

2. Short term impact of Tribulus terrestris intake on doping control analysis of endogenous steroids.

Saudan C, Baume N, Emery C, Strahm E, Saugy M.
Swiss Laboratory for Doping Analyses, Institut Universitaire de M?decine L?gale, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois and University of Lausanne, Chemin des Croisettes 22, 1066 Epalinges, Switzerland.
3. The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players.

Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM.
School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia.

4. The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria

(Sledge)

[jimmyinkedup]

capped up grass clippings from your front yard would be about as useful in your pct...

[bladerunner9]

capped up grass clippings from your front yard would be about as useful in your pct...

I was waiting for that reply.