Gyno Question

[SuperLift]

I have developed gyno from a cycle i did a while back. I have tried to use letro, but I think it's to late.. I must have surgery if I want to get rid of it. This may be a dumb question but....... After you have gyno removed, is it possible for it to come back?

[Point4Dave]

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[Big]

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If letro didn't help I would be surprised if nolva helps.

[peachfuzz]

from my understanding unless you have the glands completely removed then yes it can. and i believe most doctors leave a little in so you dont have an indent in your chest. it is also very hard to remove all of the gland as it often has "fingers" that extend throughout the chest.

[wakeskate22]

if a bit of tissue has formed.. can your puffy nipples still go down to regular size? or will they stay puffy due to the tissue..

[peachfuzz]

usually it is there to stay. sometimes it may go down on its own over time and a reduced bodyfat percentage can help as well, but for the most part it is there to stay.

[wakeskate22]

so then why would they both be if theres only tissue formed in one?

[peachfuzz]

increased fat deposits in the surrounding area as a result of elevated estrogen would be my guess.

[wakeskate22]

hmm. maybe.. but i have a very low body percentage as it is.. if it were that and i were to lose some fat.. would only the one without tissue go down then?

[peachfuzz]

im willing to bet my puffy nipples there is tissue in both. maybe not as pronounced as the other one but still there. and if the problem is elevated estrogen then your body will still continue to store adipose tissue surrounding the nipple even at a low bf percentage.

[wakeskate22]

i ran a gyno reversal so my estrogen levels are back to normal and i can feel tissue in one and the other i can't.. but there still could have some in there?

[SuperLift]

So I am confused. Does it or does it not return after surgery?

[SuperLift]

1 more question... What can kind of doctor do I talk to about gyno. Can my normal family doctor deal with it?

[wakeskate22]

bump

[SuperLift]

guess u are interested as well?

[peachfuzz]

So I am confused. Does it or does it not return after surgery?

it can.

1 more question... What can kind of doctor do I talk to about gyno. Can my normal family doctor deal with it?

you want to talk to a plastic surgeon.

[SuperLift]

guess I better hope my insurance covers it!

[Immortal Soldier]

from my understanding unless you have the glands completely removed then yes it can. and i believe most doctors leave a little in so you dont have an indent in your chest. it is also very hard to remove all of the gland as it often has "fingers" that extend throughout the chest.

Correct, doctors always keep a little bit of the breast tissue behind the nipple to prevent it from caving inward.

usually it is there to stay. sometimes it may go down on its own over time and a reduced bodyfat percentage can help as well, but for the most part it is there to stay.

Reduced bodyfat doesn't matter, have you ever seen a bodybuilder who has gyno during competition? His bf% is VERY LOW yet the gyno sticks out like a sore thumb.

The body WILL NOT metabolize the fat tissue, it just won't. Just like in women, if a women get's her bf% down really low she will still have breast tissue, the body basically thought you were a woman at one time and developed breast tissue for lactation and even after it learned it was wrong it won't metabolize the breast tissue. If caught to late, surgery is the only option

i ran a gyno reversal so my estrogen levels are back to normal and i can feel tissue in one and the other i can't.. but there still could have some in there?

There is really no such thing as gyno reversal, once you have gyno you can rarely get rid of it (through medication). Now if you have the beginning symptoms of gyno (painful nipples, swollen nipples, a very small lump) and you run AI's and Nolva ASAP then yes you can prevent it from developing.

So there is a difference between HAVING gyno and HAVING beginning symptoms of gyno.

Gyno usually happens in one side of the breast, it rarely happens in both at the same time so thats why you can feel it one and not the other.

guess I better hope my insurance covers it!

Most insurance companies don't cover gyno surgery because it is a cosmetic issue that bares no impact on the health in a negative way.

[Mammon]

There is really no such thing as gyno reversal, once you have gyno you can rarely get rid of it (through medication). Now if you have the beginning symptoms of gyno (painful nipples, swollen nipples, a very small lump) and you run AI's and Nolva ASAP then yes you can prevent it from developing.

So there is a difference between HAVING gyno and HAVING beginning symptoms of gyno.

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nailed it brutha...

respect

[joiningthedarkside]

ok heres a question for u gyno pros. if u have a lil puberty gyno, would u recomend doing the cycle first or getting the syrgery first?

[Mammon]

that would be your call.. you know you have an issue.. if your going to run a cycle take precautions from the beginning to keep it from developing further..

[joiningthedarkside]

precautions as in having letro at hand?

[Mammon]

on hand nothing.. you know you have an issue..dont give it a chance to flair up.. start from the beginning.. id rather prevent issues from happening from the start then try and combat them once they show up,,see what im getting at..

[Immortal Soldier]

on hand nothing.. you know you have an issue..dont give it a chance to flair up.. start from the beginning.. id rather prevent issues from happening from the start then try and combat them once they show up,,see what im getting at..

Exactly, run letro or armidex during your entire cycle and if you still get the symptoms bump it up a little, it will affect your gains a bit but then again you dont get any gyno so benefits exceed the sacrifice.

[Mammon]

no doubt. ill take a slight loss of gains, which in reality i feel are slim to none over a set of tits anyday..

[UncleD]

i made the mistake of running a cycle in one of my first cycles ive done without useing a ai untill a month in and was taking d bol, i to had a small bit of puberty gyno in right nipply.. well its not a small bit anymore and every cycle sence i gota take the hell outa ai, carbo b6 and every few weeks i gota throw in some nolva to nip growth in the bud.. i NEED surgery BAD esp if i want to compete and not look like a dumbass who gota gyno bad...i didnt know how bad it really was till i got down to around 14% bf.. wow there it was..it sucks wanted to rip my nipple off i was so pissed.. at 17% bf i dont even see it unless i flex my chest hard.. gyno is no joke..

[wakeskate22]

so why do the nipps stay puffy when warm and normal when cold.. theres nothing you can do about it?

[wakeskate22]

bump

[SuperLift]

So how long does it usually take before it is irreversible? I have it on both sides, slightly bigger on my left. If I squeeze my nipple I can feel the lump, about the size of a marble maybe slightly bigger. Is this to late?

[J-Dogg]

If letro didn't help I would be surprised if nolva helps.

I think SERMS are better for reversal than any AI out there, even letro.

I've had way better luck using 60mgs of Nova - daily. Letro did nothing for me with it.

I'm using a 12 week, non-armonitizing cycle right now to see how that goes. Puts some size on in the process too.

I'll hop on Nova to reduce the size as much as possible then, in high dosages. then onto letro, to eliminate any estrogen in my body, and back to nova to take care of the estrogen rebound.

I've tried EVERYTHING but Falsodex and that's because it's more expensive than surgry.

If this don't work, I'm just cutting it out in my bathroom.

[SuperLift]

i already have a box cutter sterilized!

[Jfew44]

^^ Please tell me you've seen that video of the guy doing his own gyno surgery. Nuts!!

[hankdiesel]

Insurance didn't cover mine and it absolutely can come back. I always have letro on hand now during cycles.

[SuperLift]

Insurance didn't cover mine and it absolutely can come back. I always have letro on hand now during cycles.

if you dont mind me asking, how much did it cost.....the surgery?

[Acidjj]

I was reading up on Gyno the other day, cause well I was bored and researching, and it entirely depends on ur insurance company some guy got them to pay for it cause they did a study and you are at higher risk of male breast cancer with Gyno, so they paid for it as a preventative treatment. Maybe worth looking into?

[mx3]

my buddy got gyno surgery a while back and he now never has to run antis for gyno. I have heard this from a few people that use massive amounts of compounds and never had to deal with gyno issues since there surgery. Also how long has it been since you could feel the lumps under your nipples. I had a serious case of gyno for a long time I think 8months or longer after doing gyno reversal with letro and nolva twice they returned to normal. Maybe you should try some antis from a different source. the first time I tried gyno reversal I got my antis from a research site I dont normally use and not much happened then the second time I used a different research site and everything was good. so either it took 2 times or I had underdosed anties. some food for thought.

[Immortal Soldier]

my buddy got gyno surgery a while back and he now never has to run antis for gyno. I have heard this from a few people that use massive amounts of compounds and never had to deal with gyno issues since there surgery. Also how long has it been since you could feel the lumps under your nipples. I had a serious case of gyno for a long time I think 8months or longer after doing gyno reversal with letro and nolva twice they returned to normal. Maybe you should try some antis from a different source. the first time I tried gyno reversal I got my antis from a research site I dont normally use and not much happened then the second time I used a different research site and everything was good. so either it took 2 times or I had underdosed anties. some food for thought.

I seriously doubt if you had a "serious case of gyno" for more than 8 months it would go away from letro/nolva, it might get smaller but not go away.

[mx3]

I seriously doubt if you had a "serious case of gyno" for more than 8 months it would go away from letro/nolva, it might get smaller but not go away.

You could easily see my gyno through a shirt I had to wear under shirts all the time. The lumps were the size of a marble if not bigger and the portruding lump on my pec was the size of a bottle cap. The lumps are now completely gone. It is not unheard of for people to reverse gyno for up to a year after it starts.

[J-Dogg]

I'll give you guys some advice okay.


Gyno reversal for the most part is a absolutly fake term made up by reserch chem makes to sell letro.

There are documented cases that pubertal gyno has been treated with 60mgs of Nova daily.

If you want to try it, don't fall prey to the chemical companies. Use Nova and Letro for a month, see if it helps. If it does, continue, if not, surgry is the only answer.

[mx3]

I'll give you guys some advice okay.


Gyno reversal for the most part is a absolutly fake term made up by reserch chem makes to sell letro.

There are documented cases that pubertal gyno has been treated with 60mgs of Nova daily.

If you want to try it, don't fall prey to the chemical companies. Use Nova and Letro for a month, see if it helps. If it does, continue, if not, surgry is the only answer.

if its not true then How did I get rid of my gyno after having it for so long? Im not arguing that the term may be made up for someone elses gain but letro and nolva definately worked for me. I know and have heard of others in my situation as well.