PCT not working

[guicgn]

hallo,

ich changed my PCT and this time its not working.
i did 2 cycles of tren/testo for 12 weeks and winstrol/testo for 6 weeks and the first time i took for PCT 4 Weeks of Nolva/Clomid/Aromasin. After 8 Weeks my testosteron was 790, on the sheet it says that normal is between 241-830.

This time i did the same cycle, but i read that Nolva ist just as good as clomid, so i droped the clomid. i live in germany and its not that easy to get clomid here, but Nolva i can always get at the pharmacy.well this time i have been taking nolva(20mg)+aromasin(25mg) for 6 weeks and my testosteron is still 47 (

so i dont know what to do now.
i hope someone can help me.

sorry for my english. its not very good.

thank

[redz]

Clomid is better imo I always run it during pct. I would get some clomid and run it with nolva and some HCG and might as well throw in the aromasin again too.

[guicgn]

thank you

i guess its really better. the first pct with clomid worked quite well, although i did get a bit depressed.
i will try to get clomid+hcg and continue taking nolva/aromasin.

[Mammon]

nolvadex will work but it will take longer .. clomid is better in regards to recovery of HPTA hands down imo

[stocky121]

how long did you cycle this time round ?
what did you take ?
and what dosage ?

[guicgn]

i did
week 1 to 12: 250mg testo enantat, 400mg trenbolon enantat each week
week 13 to 18: 250mg testo enantat each week, 50mg winstrol(each day)

[stocky121]

i did
week 1 to 12: 250mg testo enantat, 400mg trenbolon enantat each week
week 13 to 18: 250mg testo enantat each week, 50mg winstrol(each day)

might have just been a long cycle mate. Might take more time to recover you never know.

anyway try what you used for the first pct with clomid in and see how that go's

[guicgn]

thanks
i guess i will just have to wait. it kind of sucks
it was my mistake to do such a long cycle, next time (after i recover) i plan on trying short cycles, 4 weeks and nothing very supressiv like a trenbolone. i am going to learn from this one..

[Swifto]

thanks
i guess i will just have to wait. it kind of sucks
it was my mistake to do such a long cycle, next time (after i recover) i plan on trying short cycles, 4 weeks and nothing very supressiv like a trenbolone. i am going to learn from this one..

Tren is the most suppressive compound. Its more suppressive to the HPTA than Deca is.

Trenbolobe binds with 60% of progesterone's affinity to the progesterone receptor, Deca (Nandrolone) is 20%.

Looks like you need to do some more research.

[guicgn]

sorry my english. its not so good. i wrote it wrong.

thats what i meant.i know tren is very supressive.
i plan in the future to use other compounds that are not so supressive as tren.
i just ordered some clomid and hcg and hope to restart my pct right.

i just had read the article from William Llewellyn at bodybuilding.com that said nolva was so much better then clomid at restoring htpa functioning. so i thought i could get away just with nolva+aromasin. it was definitly a mistake.

[guicgn]

i just read your Swifto's HCG and PCT Advice.

should i use now that i redo my pct:
Week 1: HCG 500iu 3 times weekly
countining nolva(20mg)+aromasin(25mg)
Week 2-6 Clomid(50mg)+aromasin(25mg)

did i understand it right? do you think it would be better in my case? Should i continue using aromasin?
i could start this new pct in 1 week as soon as i get the clomid+hcg.

[ryanryan]

i just read your Swifto's HCG and PCT Advice.

should i use now that i redo my pct:
Week 1: HCG 500iu 3 times weekly
countining nolva(20mg)+aromasin(25mg)
Week 2-6 Clomid(50mg)+aromasin(25mg)

did i understand it right? do you think it would be better in my case? Should i continue using aromasin?
i could start this new pct in 1 week as soon as i get the clomid+hcg.

i think it's just the long cycle why you haven't come back so fast.
aromasin + nolva + hcg is great. you should use the hcg and nolva for longer though. the doses above are fine.
save the clomid until after you have finished hcg. reason being that the more responsive you balls are the better clomid works. Use the nolva + aromasin + hcg to get things going then clomid to really bring your nuts back.

so maybe something like this:

Week 1-3: HCG 500iu 3 times weekly
Week 1-4 nolva(20mg)+aromasin(25mg)
Week 4-6 Clomid(first day 100mg then 50mg/day)

hope this helps
ryan