I can't believe 60 Minutes actually was able to show this...

[BuffedGuy]

Click here to watch 60 Minutes on how Israel is killing the peace process

Simply amazing that they were able to show this, without Zionists pressuring them to take it off the air.

I almost cried when I watched this clip. How would you feel if foreign soldiers occupied not only your land but your very home? Look at the end how they are bulldozing the home of peoples. What kind of mongrels do this sort of thing? And look at how extremist the Israeli settlers are: they own the land because GOD TOLD THEM SO. That's the bottom line. Behind all the obscurantism of the American Zionists who try to defend everything with palatable explanations, the Israeli settlers just say it outright: we're here to take the land because God told us to do so. And yet the Palestinians are the extremists and fundamentalists, right? Give me a break.

Free Palestine.

[FallenWyvern]

[BuffedGuy]

Now THAT is a picture that speaks a million words. Thank you, FallenWyvern.

[gst528i]

Yea after lookin at that image there is no way israel is gonna go back to the 67 border espcially not 47 borders.

[BuffedGuy]

Yea after lookin at that image there is no way israel is gonna go back to the 67 border espcially not 47 borders.

Then Intifada is the only way if they do not agree to it.

[*RAGE*]

Yes they put the word out there and (see they can tell both side of the story)...but remember this is just the palistinians side. I watched it all and found it a very good story......

[*RAGE*]

oh and when they went to the first house...that looked like it was set up when he opened the door and he said soldiers where in his house....Looked a little fake to me....sorry for the double post...

[Matt]

Interesting post, it just reconfirms my hate towards israelis...

[alex18]

Matt you hate everyone!!!

[Matt]

Matt you hate everyone!!!

No lol, just those people that breath air...

[alex18]

i breath fire...thats why you love me

[Matt]

i breath fire...thats why you love me

hahaha lol

[FallenWyvern]

How many people live in Israel vs the Palestinians? I think there are 8 million Palestinians?

[Matt]

How many people live in Israel vs the Palestinians? I think there are 8 million Palestinians?

What makes you think its 8 million? I dont believe it, i want names and addresses...

[BuffedGuy]

On Zionist Justice and Their Belief in Collective Punishment

"For every 6-8 Jews sacrificed, we kill in return thousands of Gentiles. That is, undoubtedly a spectacular situation, an uncommon success of Zionism." (Migvan, Labor Party, Fall 1982, as quoted in Noam Chomsky's "The Fateful Triangle", p.74)

[BuffedGuy]

What makes you think its 8 million? I dont believe it, i want names and addresses...

I know you are being sarcastic, but I wouldn't put it past pro-Israeli members on this forum to take you seriously, so I'll respond. Encyclopedia Britannica:

"By the late 20th century there were nearly four million registered Palestinian refugees." (Encyclopedia Britannica)

(Note: You can move around the log in screen to see the quoted text.)

That includes just registered refugees with the United Nations, and does not include unregistered ones. And the statistic is out of date, as evidenced by "by the late 20th century".

A BBC articles says that the number of Palestinian refugees totals up to "more than six million people, one of the biggest displaced populations in the world." (BBC News)

Six million? That number sound familiar?

[Hoggage_54]

60 Minutes kicks ass

[Prada]

Yup, this has been the plan ever since the beginning. Command, conquer and divide. Often times get the divisive factors to fight. Oppress for generations and then give them a token piece of land to be content with and often times they are.

[Dinosaur]

it would be very nice to limits this dicussions / debates to 10 lines or so, rather than write a book that nobody will be able to finish cause readers will just scroll down to read the last couple lines. so lets just keep it simple and try to stay as relevent to the topic as possible.
as for the video, yes it shows a small portion of the picture of what the palestnians are going through but still what you don't see is worse.

i believe that it is impossible for israel to give the land back and the lady in the video proves my point by addmiting the stubborness...they have.

one thing i can't understand, why is it taboo for pro israelis to condemn the wrong doings that the israelis commit, while in the other hand they ask muslims to condemn al-caida or other extrimist groups. it never made sence to me.

[BuffedGuy]

one thing i can't understand, why is it taboo for pro israelis to condemn the wrong doings that the israelis commit, while in the other hand they ask muslims to condemn al-caida or other extrimist groups. it never made sence to me.

Word to Big Bird.

[AandF6969]

How would you feel if foreign soldiers occupied not only your land but your very home?

I'd probably start killing as many of them as possible, and hopefully the other 150 million Americans who privately own firearms would do the same.

[eliteforce]

it's about time we see more like this on american TV, next step is to end American financial support for israel if it doesn't get these settlers out and end the occupation of the WB.. {assuming the US financial system doesn't totally collapse as a result of fighting these damn wars ..}

one note to Simons pessimistic view:
only a % of the WB settlers are fanatics like that stupid woman he was interviewing .. the rest were coerced into moving there by financial incentives by the israeli government-which intern gets financial support from the US
they said they would put up this big fight to get the settlers out of gaza but it was still done in a few days .. so if the west puts the pressure on Israel to make a final status agreement .. then it can get done

[BuffedGuy]

it's about time we see more like this on american TV, next step is to end American financial support for israel if it doesn't get these settlers out and end the occupation of the WB.. {assuming the US financial system doesn't totally collapse as a result of fighting these damn wars ..}

one note to Simons pessimistic view:
only a % of the WB settlers are fanatics like that stupid woman he was interviewing .. the rest were coerced into moving there by financial incentives by the israeli government-which intern gets financial support from the US
they said they would put up this big fight to get the settlers out of gaza but it was still done in a few days .. so if the west puts the pressure on Israel to make a final status agreement .. then it can get done

One thing that must be noted--and appreciated--is that there are a lot of good Israeli citizens who actually speak out against their government, and who speak the truth.

[*RAGE*]

I cant believe it not butter.....could help myself...lol

[eliteforce]

Here's the problem with the Israeli (anti)democratic system.. because the jewish parties "traditionally" exclude arab parties from EVERY government ever formed-which gives the Arab parties NO political power on any issue.. a government that would pursue a peace agreement based on the withdrawal to the 1967 borders cannot be formed, heres how, the anti-peace right wing parties actually get less than a majority, the tossup party is SHAS- a party made up of 'oriental' jews or jews that come from arab countries, 'arab jews' the Shas party is considered right but it actually served on Baraks labor lead unity government in 2000 and can be persuaded to join a peace government if that government makes concessions on other issues.. so IF Livini would simply invite arabs into the government, than she can form a government w/o anti-peace parties..heres how:

total knesset seats: 120

Anti-peace racists
likud 27
IBeitu 15
other rightwing:12
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54 (with shas)65



Parties that 'could' sign a peace aggreement
kadima 28
labor 13
meretz 3

(arab):
hadash 4
UAL 4
Balad 3
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55 (with Shas)66

tossup:
SHAS 11

[Panzerfaust]

How dare you speak out against the poor Jews, you anti-semite.

USA = Big Israel

Sad But True!