Bill Introduced to License Firearms

[Panzerfaust]

Congrats Obama supporters! We are headed down the road of Socialism and the similarities of Nazi legislation are real.



If interested in your 2nd Amendment rights, you need to read the Bill. This is more government control and another effort to head us down the path of socialism. Good luck on being able to defend yourself in the future. You will probably be prosecuted if you shoot someone breaking into your home. I imagine this legislation will be passed in the middle of the night! I don't think we will recognize this country in the next 4 years. We are going to look
like the inept and socialist Western Europe.

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Hold your nose... this one really stinks!
Here is the first bill introduced by the Democrat controlled house that mandates licensing for all firearms owners...

You will have to carry a photo ID firearms license.
A training class is required to be licensed.
Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.
A thumb print is required for license.
Every sale recorded by the federal government.
If you move, and don't tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.
If a firearm is stolen and you don't report it, you are a criminal.
There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.
There will be a license fee and a fee for the "services" provided at purchase time.
Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.

This is already in process. It's H.R. 45, Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.



They continue to chip away at our civil liberties all based on a farce of "security".."its for the children". I laughed when I watched Obama swear to uphold the United States Constitution with a straight face. Bunch of ****ing scumbags all of them...the gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is for goddamn sure. They slip legislation like this through in the middle of the night while they have Americans scared shitless and watching intently what is happening with the economy. Brilliant actually...but ones that have not lost critical thinking can see this bullshit.

[redz]

I take it you are a gun owner, I`m Canadian its much worse here but i can understand where you are coming from.

[Panzerfaust]

I take it you are a gun owner, I`m Canadian its much worse here but i can understand where you are coming from.

No, i'm a Goddamn American!


What does it matter if I own one or not? My next door neighbour has a right not to own one if he so chooses while the next can own one if he so chooses. It is our right and **** anyone that tries to take it away.


Here is the Text of the Bill:


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

[D7M]

You are absolutely right, muriloninja.

This is only the first step, and it's going to get worse.

[*RAGE*]

You are absolutely right, muriloninja.

This is only the first step, and it's going to get worse.

I got all mine before bush left office.....it will get worse.......NRA has some fighting to do

[D7M]

I got all mine before bush left office.....it will get worse.......NRA has some fighting to do

yep, so did me and my buddies.

I always want more though.

[*RAGE*]

yep, so did me and my buddies.

I always want more though.

me to always find something that i cant live with out.....I have the fullauto license...which is not going to be around anymore but I can only hope the paper work through the atf get lost......

[Flagg]

I hear Obama wants to dismantle some of Americas Nuclear warheads, but in some sort of agreement that Russia does the same? Heh, everyone will always keep back one nuke, "just in case".

Obama is pro Stem Cell research and Pro renewable energy, which is what I think is cool. That's got to mean something to some of you guys?

[*RAGE*]

I hear Obama wants to dismantle some of Americas Nuclear warheads, but in some sort of agreement that Russia does the same? Heh, everyone will always keep back one nuke, "just in case".

Obama is pro Stem Cell research and Pro renewable energy, which is what I think is cool. That's got to mean something to some of you guys?

Obama has some real good ideas...and some not so good ideas...stem cell research is a good one...obams is going to have a tuffer gun laws which sucks for some of us....they just dont get it when it comes to guns...the bad guys dont buy them over the counter and that is where they put the rules....

[Flagg]

Obama has some real good ideas...and some not so good ideas...stem cell research is a good one...obams is going to have a tuffer gun laws which sucks for some of us....they just dont get it when it comes to guns...the bad guys dont buy them over the counter and that is where they put the rules....

This kinda reminds me of UK politicians pushing to raise the age of alcohol consumption to 21. Currently it is 18, with a "think 21" policy used in all places that sell alcohol, Think 21 does what it says on the tin....question someone who looks under 21. Now they want to raise it to Think 25. It's absurd, because underage kids get their alcohol from small corner shops, not Supermarkets or Off Licences. I agree that these sort of laws only hurt law abiding citizens and does nothing about the people who are the problem in both cases.

[*RAGE*]

well maybe he will legalize the gear,,,,and a couple of other things...

[Matt]

Could be worse guys, you could be living over here..

[amcon]

Congrats Obama supporters! We are headed down the road of Socialism and the similarities of Nazi legislation are real.



If interested in your 2nd Amendment rights, you need to read the Bill. This is more government control and another effort to head us down the path of socialism. Good luck on being able to defend yourself in the future. You will probably be prosecuted if you shoot someone breaking into your home. I imagine this legislation will be passed in the middle of the night! I don't think we will recognize this country in the next 4 years. We are going to look
like the inept and socialist Western Europe.



Hold your nose... this one really stinks!
Here is the first bill introduced by the Democrat controlled house that mandates licensing for all firearms owners...

You will have to carry a photo ID firearms license.
A training class is required to be licensed.
Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.
A thumb print is required for license.
Every sale recorded by the federal government.
If you move, and don't tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.
If a firearm is stolen and you don't report it, you are a criminal.
There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.
There will be a license fee and a fee for the "services" provided at purchase time.
Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.

This is already in process. It's H.R. 45, Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.



They continue to chip away at our civil liberties all based on a farce of "security".."its for the children". I laughed when I watched Obama swear to uphold the United States Constitution with a straight face. Bunch of ****ing scumbags all of them...the gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is for goddamn sure. They slip legislation like this through in the middle of the night while they have Americans scared shitless and watching intently what is happening with the economy. Brilliant actually...but ones that have not lost critical thinking can see this bullshit.

good post! noboma! damn him look for amo beening regulated as well!

[amcon]

Could be worse guys, you could be living over here..

mad where are you?

[D7M]

well maybe he will legalize the gear,,,,and a couple of other things...

pfft...that'll be the day.

prone, would you give up your gun rights if it meant legalizing gear?

[xo3et]

America is land of the Free.... i don't think so after some time with Obama.

UK has so many laws which are used to earn money its a joke, the only way your get anything from the UK government is if you move in from aboard or a minor and get pregnant. I know a few people who have got pregnant just to get benefits.

MAD MATT is spot on, UK is so f**ked up its unreal.

I really hope America keeps its balls and doesn't back down from its proud stand against evil.

[Matt]

mad where are you?

In the UK, Manchester, England.

[*RAGE*]

pfft...that'll be the day.

prone, would you give up your gun rights if it meant legalizing gear?

No never but if i had to give up one for the other I would just get it the same way now..good question..

[amcon]

In the UK, Manchester, England.

cool can you start writing with a accent?

[D7M]

No never but if i had to give up one for the other I would just get it the same way now..good question..

hmm, maybe I'll start a thread about this...

[*RAGE*]

you should lets see how every one feels about this...the 2nd amendment has always been a good discussion

[Panzerfaust]

I hear Obama wants to dismantle some of Americas Nuclear warheads, but in some sort of agreement that Russia does the same? Heh, everyone will always keep back one nuke, "just in case".

Obama is pro Stem Cell research and Pro renewable energy, which is what I think is cool. That's got to mean something to some of you guys?

Ok, so preaching "lets go green" on one side makes it ok to say "Lets further restrict the people's right to bear arms" on the other?

No ****ing wonder America is doomed. Its the old "I'll take a little security over my freedom" piece.

[jimmyinkedup]

i hate that shit ....we may as well wipe our a$$ with the constitution anymore...patroit act -this - it goes on and on.....

[BgMc31]

Congrats Obama supporters! We are headed down the road of Socialism and the similarities of Nazi legislation are real.



If interested in your 2nd Amendment rights, you need to read the Bill. This is more government control and another effort to head us down the path of socialism. Good luck on being able to defend yourself in the future. You will probably be prosecuted if you shoot someone breaking into your home. I imagine this legislation will be passed in the middle of the night! I don't think we will recognize this country in the next 4 years. We are going to look
like the inept and socialist Western Europe.



Hold your nose... this one really stinks!
Here is the first bill introduced by the Democrat controlled house that mandates licensing for all firearms owners...

You will have to carry a photo ID firearms license.
A training class is required to be licensed.
Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.
A thumb print is required for license.
Every sale recorded by the federal government.
If you move, and don't tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.
If a firearm is stolen and you don't report it, you are a criminal.
There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.
There will be a license fee and a fee for the "services" provided at purchase time.
Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.

This is already in process. It's H.R. 45, Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.



They continue to chip away at our civil liberties all based on a farce of "security".."its for the children". I laughed when I watched Obama swear to uphold the United States Constitution with a straight face. Bunch of ****ing scumbags all of them...the gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is for goddamn sure. They slip legislation like this through in the middle of the night while they have Americans scared shitless and watching intently what is happening with the economy. Brilliant actually...but ones that have not lost critical thinking can see this bullshit.

America is land of the Free.... i don't think so after some time with Obama.

UK has so many laws which are used to earn money its a joke, the only way your get anything from the UK government is if you move in from aboard or a minor and get pregnant. I know a few people who have got pregnant just to get benefits.

MAD MATT is spot on, UK is so f**ked up its unreal.

I really hope America keeps its balls and doesn't back down from its proud stand against evil.

Hey Chicken Little, the sky is fallin....

[BgMc31]

Obama has reiterated time and time again that he doesn't want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, that's just absurd!!!

I'm a gun owner (2 rifles and 3 handguns) and just like having to have a license to use a car, I don't see anything wrong with having a license for another lethal weapon (ie firearm). The 2nd amendment has been interpreted in several ways and their isn't a consensus correct answer. Some feel the phrase "well armed militia" was supposed to mean National Guard or the Reserves. Other's feel it means any and everyone should/could earn a gun. I'm not going to argue interpretation because it's clearly divided.

Obama has made the statement of "there is a difference between gun ownership in rural Virginia and Southside Chicago". Some feel that if all the residents of high gun crime areas were armed the criminals would think twice about crime but most people living in those areas want no gun ownership by anyone. So it's two trains of thought. Neither is right or wrong.

So let's stop this BS theory that we are headed down the road to socialism and we're gonna end up like Russia. Again, THE SKY ISN'T FALLING!!!

[Matt]

Hey Chicken Little, the sky is fallin....

You've lost me lol??

[jimmyinkedup]

i own ALOT of guns - mostly rifles and shotguns but several handguns as well. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon ...and i think its BS - i nned to pay to license my guns (rifels , shotguns) ive owned for years - have them be counted and accounted for by the government - the same government this law was designed for the people to be able to protect themselves and ensure protection potentially FROM , that government ???...
Has anyone seen the patriot act abuses that occurred...its scary ..its BS and its unconstitutional ...just like this bill. Period ...end of story....

[*RAGE*]

i own ALOT of guns - mostly rifles and shotguns but several handguns as well. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon ...and i think its BS - i nned to pay to license my guns (rifels , shotguns) ive owned for years - have them be counted and accounted for by the government - the same government this law was designed for the people to be able to protect themselves and ensure protection potentially FROM , that government ???...
Has anyone seen the patriot act abuses that occurred...its scary ..its BS and its unconstitutional ...just like this bill. Period ...end of story....

You said it bro...I had to pay a shit load and the atf call everyone I know to get the full auto license....I was like a cranker for that whole time looking behind me....

[*RAGE*]

You've lost me lol??

MAD look something shiny

[Matt]

MAD look something shiny

lol

[BgMc31]

[QUOTE=jimmyinkedup;4413933]i own ALOT of guns - mostly rifles and shotguns but several handguns as well. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon ...and i think its BS - i nned to pay to license my guns (rifels , shotguns) ive owned for years - have them be counted and accounted for by the government - the same government this law was designed for the people to be able to protect themselves and ensure protection potentially FROM , that government ???...
Has anyone seen the patriot act abuses that occurred...its scary ..its BS and its unconstitutional ...just like this bill. Period ...end of story....[/QUOTE]

Why, because you say so? I agree the Patriot Act was unconstitutional, but many felt it wasn't. So we've traded one unconstitutional bill for another, both in the name of safety? I think the Patriot Act was way worse, but that's my OPINION! Having lived in high crime areas before in my life and the fact that I went to 14 funerals before the age of 18 because of gun violence, I can understand the point of this bill.

[*RAGE*]

[QUOTE=BgMc31;4413952]

i own ALOT of guns - mostly rifles and shotguns but several handguns as well. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon ...and i think its BS - i nned to pay to license my guns (rifels , shotguns) ive owned for years - have them be counted and accounted for by the government - the same government this law was designed for the people to be able to protect themselves and ensure protection potentially FROM , that government ???...
Has anyone seen the patriot act abuses that occurred...its scary ..its BS and its unconstitutional ...just like this bill. Period ...end of story....[/QUOTE]

Why, because you say so? I agree the Patriot Act was unconstitutional, but many felt it wasn't. So we've traded one unconstitutional bill for another, both in the name of safety? I think the Patriot Act was way worse, but that's my OPINION! Having lived in high crime areas before in my life and the fact that I went to 14 funerals before the age of 18 because of gun violence, I can understand the point of this bill.

bgmc31
I dont know you and dont know where you live but you have to ask your self where those guy came from.....that killed those people...where they bought in a store or where they bought on the street...??????

[jimmyinkedup]

you right bgmc31 - its my strong opinion ...but to say its unconstitutional is a fact -look at the constitution ...look at this bill....a 5th grader could read both and see this bill goes against the constitution ....

[BgMc31]

[QUOTE=prone2rage;4413963]

bgmc31
I dont know you and dont know where you live but you have to ask your self where those guy came from.....that killed those people...where they bought in a store or where they bought on the street...??????

Honestly brotha, they were a combination of both. Many of the guns were guns taken from parents cabinets. I'm sure many were bought/sold illegally. Trust me, I understand the argument that criminals don't get their guns legally for the most part, but gun ownership is a HUGE responsibility and shouldn't be taken lightly, nor should just anyone be able to own one. Look at the Virginia Tech massacre and the Columbine massacre. Both done with legally purchased firearms. The lonewolf who shot up the Jewish children's school did so with legally purchased firearms. The list goes on and on.

[Nooomoto]

I got all mine before bush left office.....it will get worse.......NRA has some fighting to do

LOL...my brother and I bought 2 AR-15 A3's and a .44 Magnum between us right after we found out Obama got elected. All the local gun shops were packed every day during the purchasing of our weapons.

[*RAGE*]

[QUOTE=BgMc31;4414038]

Honestly brotha, they were a combination of both. Many of the guns were guns taken from parents cabinets. I'm sure many were bought/sold illegally. Trust me, I understand the argument that criminals don't get their guns legally for the most part, but gun ownership is a HUGE responsibility and shouldn't be taken lightly, nor should just anyone be able to own one. Look at the Virginia Tech massacre and the Columbine massacre. Both done with legally purchased firearms. The lonewolf who shot up the Jewish children's school did so with legally purchased firearms. The list goes on and on.

that is true....i can not fight that...

[*RAGE*]

LOL...my brother and I bought 2 AR-15 A3's and a .44 Magnum between us right after we found out Obama got elected. All the local gun shops were packed every day during the purchasing of our weapons.

I spent around 5 grand two month ago....my wife wanted to kill me, but i told her i could make about 10 in a year......sad but true..

[BgMc31]

LOL...my brother and I bought 2 AR-15 A3's and a .44 Magnum between us right after we found out Obama got elected. All the local gun shops were packed every day during the purchasing of our weapons.

You and all those guys fell for the best advertising ploy in marketing history!! Gun dealers and conservative republicans scared people like yourself into believing that President Obama was going to outlaw guns, something he has gone on record saying HE WOULD NOT DO!!!!

[*RAGE*]

No he will not, but the last time it went from republicans to domcratic the prices went up and stayed up...it really good business....

[Nooomoto]

You and all those guys fell for the best advertising ploy in marketing history!! Gun dealers and conservative republicans scared people like yourself into believing that President Obama was going to outlaw guns, something he has gone on record saying HE WOULD NOT DO!!!!

Well dude...these aren't our first gun purchases. Every member of this household has a Glock 23. My brother has a Mossberg, and every standard infantry rifle the US military has ever used. I also have an AR-15 SP1.

We were going to buy them anyway, the sooner the better, as prices started going up up up as soon as Obama got elected.

EDIT: We also bought Pelican cases incase we need to bury them or hide them somewhere...should the legislators get a little crazy. LOL