Tren Test Deca Cycle

[guildwars05]

Hey guys

Its been a while since I have been on here but decided to start a thread on my new cycle. Please critique and let me know what needs to be adjusted. Also with my PCT cycle, would would be the best way to run it with these compounds.

Thanks in advance.

1-14 test-e 500 week
6-14 tren-e 400 week
1-12 deca 400 week

Nolva pct
HCG during cycle.

How does that look?

Ive ran 6 cycles. Never with tren.

Stats
5'10 227lbs 8.5% bf
Ive been bodybuiding for almost 15 years. Natural for 12 years prior to doing any AAS

Clean diet, a lot of protein, low fat, no trans, low to no saturated

meats, fish, potatoes, chicken etc

Thanks

[ironaddict69]

I would be careful with doing 400 mg of Tren E a week for your first run. It seems to build up really high. Why not do acetate for 6 weeks? I know it could mess with your injection cycle, but I do 3 injects a week for hrt anyway and I use test and deca. You just divide ur doses by 3.

[guildwars05]

True. Ive always been a fan of longer esters only because less shot spots. I do not have to shoot everywhere. 400mg is too much per week? Ive read alot about people trying to match their test mg...mg for mg. 500mg test, 500 tren. that seems a bit overboard.

So 300mg a week is a good starting place for a first time tren user?

Would tren and test be fine or is deca a must? What would be the difference? If both tren/test tren/test/deca had the exact same diet, training etc

Anyone know?

[johnnybigguns]

I like these compounds together. Why not start the tren right at week 1

[kevin313]

lol tren prop everyday 7 pins a week baby 16 weeks 112 pins = priceless

[guildwars05]

Ive been reading quite a bit and it just seems like a lot of cycles run tren at the end.

[Coop77]

Using both tren and deca seems like overkill. I would pick one.

[guildwars05]

My typical cycle has been dbol deca and test for the last few times. Ive been off for over a year. My natural test levels are normal as of right now. So I could possibly take test only again at 500mg per week, but I do want an edge. If I run a test/tren only, do I have to run test and tren the entire cycle starting week 1?

I will not be using a kickstart ala dbol etc

something like this 1-14 test - e 500mg week
1-14 tren 400 mg week.

Ive also heard people say to take 300mg instead of 400 on the first time around for tren.

1-14 test 500mg
6-14 tren 300mg

What would be the best first run for test/tren only?

[Immortal Soldier]

Your PCT blows more than a Swedish Prostitute

[guildwars05]

Better be a good prostitute (if there is even a good one) lol

Thanks for the help mu hahah

What PCT do you suggest schedule wise? HCG schedule during with nolva at actual PCT time. What are you looking at then adex?

[guildwars05]

Im really interested in running a test/tren only cycle, but looking for comments from individuals that successfully ran them with great results.

[drive it!!]

my first run with tren enth was at 300 a wk and my test was @500 wk great results, 2nd time i started at same level not so great results kept bumping tren till reached 6oo wk now its gooing off but first time 300 a wk was great. dont think should run deca with tren not from experrience but just from what i've read there both 17A-A derived. lots of info on here about comparing the two.

[guildwars05]

sounds good. Tren at 300 and test at 500 sounds nice.

My source does not have dbol (or any pills) only does the depot.

Anyone try running h-drol (you can buy it legally), similar to M1T a little while back.

Anyone think about kickstarting your cycle with this? for 4 weeks? (once again this is because my source does not have dbol or any kickstarters)

Thanks

[jimmyinkedup]

huh i kinda like your first cycle only id drop the deca dosage to 200/week when i started the tren. hcg id run 250iu - 2x week ....4 weeks from pct start id up that to 500iu - 2x/week- dropping its use upon start of pct ...pct id do clomid / nolva / proviron - or clomid/nolva/ aromasin...id run a 4-5 week pct - prob 5 weeks...

[guildwars05]

How about this
1-4 h-drol (i know its not drol or dbol)
1-14 test e 500mg week
4-12 tren e 300mg week

[guildwars05]

Well being that I have never ran tren, some say I should just do TREN TEST to try that cycle...then add Deca later after my gains slow (possible a cycle or two later)

[jimmyinkedup]

youve done test deca right? so now youll know what tren will do for you.... JMO...

[guildwars05]

Correct,

Ive done Dbol, Test, Deca a number of times.

[jimmyinkedup]

*L* im actually biased ....my next cycle that i will start late in april will be a test /tren / low dose deca cycle.....

[guildwars05]

I am trying to work my way up again, because I have been off for well over a year - clean. Now I plan on doing consistent cycles for quite some time. 2 a year etc

Thats why I figured do TEST AND TREN

Then next cycle to TEST TREN DECA. I figure this would be smart since my body has been clean over a year and is ready to be shocked again.

[jimmyinkedup]

Correct,

Ive done Dbol, Test, Deca a number of times.

ok so you know how you respond to test / deca stack - now if u add tren ...u can judge your response and the diff between this and test/deca cycle (all other factors equal - diet , train,rest) differences in gains / sides whatever can be attributed to tren....

[jimmyinkedup]

I am trying to work my way up again, because I have been off for well over a year - clean. Now I plan on doing consistent cycles for quite some time. 2 a year etc

Thats why I figured do TEST AND TREN

Then next cycle to TEST TREN DECA. I figure this would be smart since my body has been clean over a year and is ready to be shocked again.

Ohhh ...see your OP said something totally diff ....if thats your plan - by all means bro ....im sure if diet rest training in order it will work out well.. oh and beef up that pct and id be sure not to use too much hcg unnecessarily...dose it appropriately .....good luck

[guildwars05]

so anyone want to chime in the best TEST/TREN cycle. Whether I go the entire 14 week on tren (sounds long for tren) or do it as stated above. (check a couple posts above this)

I would like a few comments on this..thanks

[ironaddict69]

Yeah how about 500 test, 300 tren? Start low dude, 300 mg a week gave me sick strength gains. The reason combining deca and tren is a bad idea is for prolactin issues, I am not even sure a dopamine agonist could keep up with those.

[guildwars05]

Good. Now the last question is ..run tren 1-12/14 with test 1-14

OR

Test 1-14
Tren 6-14

?

[mx3]

there is nothing wrong with running tren and deca together. ime you will get less sides running ie: 500mg ew of deca and 500mg ew of tren than if you were to run a gram of tren ew. Personally its one of my favs but you would see better results just running a higher dose of tren but you will also see more sides. imo If your not running your nors at 800mg ew or more then their is no reason to add deca (unless for joint issues) because sides are managable at under 100mg ed. Although I do see great results running the two I really haven't seen any synergistic effect with the two its just a way to run high doses of nors which are gonna do most of the work and cut your sides in half.

[mx3]

Good. Now the last question is ..run tren 1-12/14 with test 1-14

OR

Test 1-14
Tren 6-14

?

I would run the tren 1-12.

[guildwars05]

1-14 test 500
1-12 tren 400 or 300 (never had tren before) Also remember this is a new cycle and have been off ALL AAS for almost year and half.

[mx3]

1-14 test 500
1-12 tren 400 or 300 (never had tren before) Also remember this is a new cycle and have been off ALL AAS for almost year and half.

Even with the long break your not going to gain like its your first cycle cause you have a few under your belt so imo I would go 400ew. If you were using tren ace then you could start low and bump it if needed but your using tren e so I would stick with 400 just so your not dissapointed, that extra 100mg can go a long ways. jmo

[mx3]

also I personally don't run any long estered compounds for less than 10wks so my opinion is start at wk 1 and continue to wk 10 or 12.

[guildwars05]

Thats exactly what I was thinking Thanks again

I am dong this 1-14 test 500
1-12 tren 400

pct

perfect thanks

oh..have you ever used H-drol. from competitive labs? Its (not illegal)

[guildwars05]

kind of how M1T was

[ironaddict69]

Mx3 is right, i gotta hand it to him. I'd be careful running both at 400 though unless you take a pretty good dose of either cabergoline, bromocriptine, or another dopamine agonist. I prefer mirapex, and it acts on the D3 receptors which are activating instead of depressing. I am by NO means saying caber or bromo will depress you, but the D2 receptor they attach to will make you tired. The D3 has to do with sex drive, energy, addictions (I mean that in a good way, like you liking food, going to the gym etc) Dont take addictions out of context.

[mx3]

Thats exactly what I was thinking Thanks again

I am dong this 1-14 test 500
1-12 tren 400

pct

perfect thanks

oh..have you ever used H-drol. from competitive labs? Its (not illegal)

no I haven't used h-drol.

[guildwars05]

What I will do is run
Tren - e 400mg week 1-12
Test - e 500mg week 1-14

Any final comments?

[stpete]

Yes. If this your first run with tren, and i believe it is; make it tren ace. And i'd do weeks 3-9 for starters. Easy in and easy out if you get bad sides man. Good luck.

[mike954]

ok im taking 250mg of tren e x2 a week and 100mg of test prop eod is it ok to switch to test e 250mg x2 a week mid cycle prop is all i had to start with and i know test e is better to run with tren e so just wondering if its cool to switch?:

[ironaddict69]

H-drol sucks.

[guildwars05]

Oh i know its not Dbol, just wanted to know if anyone has used it anyways for a kickstart.

I am using Tren E not Tren A.

[ironaddict69]

I tried it, nothing special.