whats the deal with winny tabs

[sbath1]

Hey i have a friend who wants to get cut but still build muscle and was thinking about doing winny tabs because he doesn't want to take taking needles he's 24 6'1 210 and has been working out for a few years he asked me to start a thread for him so here it is.. he never has dealt with gear before and isn't in a hurry...he is going to pass his diet along to me and when he does i will post it but for now a few questions

his questions are...
how are the winny tabs compared to injecting? pros and cons of the tabs
how much is a proper dosage for tabs?
what are the side effects?
for a beginner is winny worth taking or should he look towards supplements?
what are some experiences people have had with winny? good and bad
what would be a good pct for an oral cycle?

he has read up a little bit on them didn't find a great thread to learn off of so if anyone does know a really good thread that has to do with winny tabs plz pass it along

[Big]

as always, I don't recommend any suppressive compounds without test.

[T-MOS]

winny by itself is a BAD BAD idea

could cause lots of libido, erection problems

[sbath1]

why though?

[T-MOS]

why though?

because if you read the profile on winny, you will see that it will supress your natural test production, meaning it will SHUT DOWN your natty test

no test= no libido, no erections

best to supplement any supressive compound with at least enough test to make up for what will be shut down

the search button is your friend.....

[Big]

why though?

holy lack of research Batman...
because males need testosterone present to be males. compounds that suppress testosterone, when not used with testosterone, often provide issues that were unwanted.

[sbath1]

winny by itself is a BAD BAD idea

could cause lots of libido, erection problems

so for example my friend who doesnt want to take injections then what would be recomended??

[Big]

so for example my friend who doesnt want to take injections then what would be recomended??

he could try not being a pu$$y, it works well for the rest of us
sorry I couldn't resist.

[T-MOS]

so for example my friend who doesnt want to take injections then what would be recomended??

seriously, then steroids are NOT for your friend.. there is just no way around it

and there is a LOT more to this then just popping pills or injecting

there are things you may need to take during a cycle to remain healthy and block estrogen build up which can cause your friend man boobies

there are things you need to take after the cycle to ensure no estrogen build up and to restart your natural test

everyone thinks its just magic beans.....its not

[sbath1]

he could try not being a pu$$y, it works well for the rest of us
sorry I couldn't resist.

hahah i was waiting for that

[T-MOS]

he could try not being a pu$$y, it works well for the rest of us
sorry I couldn't resist.

i was thinking it, just tryin to be on my best behavior.....lolol

[sbath1]

seriously, then steroids are NOT for your friend.. there is just no way around it

and there is a LOT more to this then just popping pills or injecting

there are things you may need to take during a cycle to remain healthy and block estrogen build up which can cause your friend man boobies

there are things you need to take after the cycle to ensure no estrogen build up and to restart your natural test

everyone thinks its just magic beans.....its not

i understand that.. just wasnt to sure about orals.. ive done my personal share of research for myself and decided to hold off my self til i see im ready

[T-MOS]

i understand that.. just wasnt to sure about orals.. ive done my personal share of research for myself and decided to hold off my self til i see im ready

keep in mind too, that most oral steroids are very harsh on your liver, so you need liver support for that and you should limit the amount of time you use them even with additional Test

[sbath1]

keep in mind too, that most oral steroids are very harsh on your liver, so you need liver support for that and you should limit the amount of time you use them even with additional Test

so like doing only a month of dbols with a 12 week test cycles right?

[sbath1]

Hey thanks for help guys

[T-MOS]

yes, so imagine how much stress would be on the liver if you did a month of dbol in the beginning of the cycle , then 6 weeks of winny at the end of the cycle...very harsh!!

[sbath1]

but couldnt you take something like milk thisle

[johnnybigguns]

I hate oral only

[sbath1]

to me personally seems pretty pointless to do a oral only, i think it would only be worth taking orals to kickstart a cycle right?

[T-MOS]

but couldnt you take something like milk thisle

YES, thus the reason I said above about having some type of liver support throughout the cycle

[sbath1]

quick question prolly a dumb one but who would winny be recommended for?

[T-MOS]

quick question prolly a dumb one but who would winny be recommended for?

a competitive bodybuilder whose bodyfat was well under 10%

winny is harsh and will dry out your joints. it is used to dry out a bodybuilders already low bodyfat body so that the veins start to show and hardens you up

doesn't do much at higher bodyfat %

[sbath1]

thanks for all the info

[T-MOS]

yep, good luck to you and your buddy

[jbm]

holy lack of research Batman...
because males need testosterone present to be males. compounds that suppress testosterone, when not used with testosterone, often provide issues that were unwanted.

That's me! LOL!
Cheers...