I'm wondering what are usual gain's from SUS 250 & Test E
Seperate of Course.
How many LBS & Reduction in Bodyfat %.
20% Bodyfat.
Weight 180lbs, 2 Cheat Meals Weekly. 200Grams of Protein Daily.
New Member
I'm wondering what are usual gain's from SUS 250 & Test E
Seperate of Course.
How many LBS & Reduction in Bodyfat %.
20% Bodyfat.
Weight 180lbs, 2 Cheat Meals Weekly. 200Grams of Protein Daily.
Associate Member
Most will tell you to drop your bodyfat % before you would start a cycle.
And this can range from 0lbs to 35lbs. It's all about your diet and training regime.
Banned
lol.. my first cycle was sust 500mg/wk and var 30mg day..
i pretty much stayed the same weight and lost 8 inches off my waist..
i was at like 26% bf... dont recommend doing it to someone who's even thinking about cheating on their meals..
also need doc's supervisions, blood work, a good ai, nazi health diet, and an awesome workout routine including extensive cardio
Anabolic Member
I don't totally agree with you bro... mostly but not totally. Currently I just started a Test Prop 350mgs EW for 10 weeks and I am starting at 20% Bf and 220 lbs. but then again I have cycled a lot in my past. I am a week in, went to the doc today for something unrelated and my vitals were perfect. 119/80 BP.. 65 bpm resting heart rate. Temp was 99.6 and Resp. was 9 so all in all I believe I will drop the BF down to 15% after this cycle put on about 15 lbs. of LBM and be in all around better shape. Mind you I do have a ridiculous diet BUT i am human and do slip every now and again.... AND !! Minimal cardio for now... BUT ... plan to change that soon to about 30 min a day at least 4 days a week to start off. BUT I also train really really well... I know what I am doing.. I have just haven't cycled in 18 months because I was in a bad accident and gained a lot of weight (303 lbs 36% BF) And I just did major cutting to get from that down to 217 lbs 20% BF When I started my cycle. I just don't agree with anyone when they say that they need to be a certain this or a certain that. I manage just fine every time I cycle. I dunno maybe it's just me but personally I have never been under 14%BF and have been just fine with my results... TO EACH THEIR OWN I GUESS.... Right??Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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The 2 cheat meals is fine as long as you dont go overboard... NO FAST FOOD DUDE !!
Up your protein by another 100 grams daily.... keep ur carbs to 150 or below and your fat between 60-80 g's a day and make sure you are getting most of your protein from whole foods not shakes... obviously drink a few shakes but dont make it the staple in ur diet.
You dont take TEST SUST AND TEST E at the same time. You need to do a lot more research on AAS and know what PCT is. But if we cant persuade you away from them for now then make sure you know what you are doing. EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE !!!
Now if you do Sust 500 mgs per week split into EOD shots or Test E at 500 mgs EW at 3.5 days between injects so 1 cc per inject. (most E is based at 250 mgs/ml) These are good starter cycles.
With proper diet and training regimen and cardio program you could possibly lose 4-5 % BF and gain 20 lbs. in LBM ... NOW REMEMBER THESE ARE FICTIONAL NUMBERS... it varies in everything you do while on cycle so make sure your diet is spot on. I know i left out a lot of details but thats up to you to do the studying and learning what you need to on your own before you just start messing up your endocrine system. SO...
USE THE SEARCH BUTTON and learn all you can Brotha.
Anabolic Member
SUS includes Test-e in it, so why are you taking test e?
180lbs with 20%bf? I'm sorry bro, but you are not ready for steroid. First body wise (you are no where near your genetic limit) and second of all bf% is high bring down to 15% before cycling or else you will be suspectible to both fat gain, high blood pressure, higher elevation of lipid profile, and estrogen related sides
Please post full stats:
Age
height
weight(180)
training experience
diet (give us a sample of what you eat in a day)
Anabolic Member
Dude why did you post this?
You don't take SUS and test-e together, period. It's stupid and you will overdose your test-e and at 20% bf that CAN lead to higher sides.
If this person goes ahead doing SUS and test-e he is shouldn't be doing AAS.
Also the fact you said take 300grms of protein when the guy weighs only 180lbs with 36lbs of that being fat so 300grms initially is redundant and will just be ****ed out by the body.
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Age 23
height 5'8
weight(180)
training experience - 2 years
diet (give us a sample of what you eat in a day) - Dont have a strict one due to my lifestyle but i eat overral healthy.
New Member
Im not saying SUS+Test together, seperate lol.
Scammer&Liar
i use sust for 1st cycle along with dbol and gained 38lbs -after pct i was around 28lbs up,i was no were near my genecic limit ill admit.
still loved it tho.....
Junior Member
Sust 550mg/wk for 10 wks works great for me, I dont get as much out of test e. Everyone is different and the only way to know is to try and see which one works. But check out the PCT section. Thats one of the most important things to read about. I usually put on 15 lbs or so.
Anabolic Member
Well post what you had to eat today
Associate Member
Its all up to you. Keep your diet on point and you are in control
Anabolic Member
SORRY IF I CONFUSED YOU OR ANYONE ... I KNOW THAT... I KNOW NEVER TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER... I THINK I SPECIFICALLY STATED DO ONE OR THE OTHER... I AM NOT A FVCKING IDIOT... I KNOW NOT TO MIX THE TWO... IT WOULD BE POINTLESS...
AND I AM SORRY DUDE... I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THIS YOU NEED TO BE THIS OR YOU NEED TO THAT FOR BF % .... I AM CYCLING RIGHT NOW AS I STATED AT 20 % BF AND I HAVE NO SIDES... MY VITALS ARE PERFECT AND I AM GAINING FINE AND MY DIET IS SPOT ON... IF YOU REALLY WANT I WILL POST MY DIET UP SO YOU CAN SEE.
AT 180 LBS. 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS NOT OVERKILL... SPLIT INTO 6 MEALS ... THAT IS 50 GRAMS PER MEAL WHICH IS NOT UNHEARD OF. I AM NOT TRYING TO BASH ON YOU OR START A WAR BUT DO NOT COME DOWN ON ME WHEN I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING IS CORRECT AS FAR AS I KNOW IT.
THAT IS BASICALLY 1.60 GRAMS OF PROTEIN PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT AND IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CONSUME 1.5 GRAMS PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT... BUT BY ALL MEANS IF I AM INCORRECT ... PLEASE CORRECT ME SO I HAVE THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE IN MY BRAIN... I AM NOT A "KNOW IT ALL" BUT I TEND TO THINK I DO HAVE A SLIGHT GRASP ON THIS STUFF. THATS ALL.. LIKE I SAID ... NO HARM NO FOUL... I AM NOT FLAMIN' YOU... I AM NOT TRYING TO CREATE A HARSH ENVIRONMENT... I LIKE YOU IMMORTAL SOLDIER I REALLY DO... I THINK YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS VERY WELL VERSED AND I LOVE READING YOUR POSTS .../ JUST PLEASE DONT RAG ON ME.. THATS ALL I ASK... THANKS BROTHA.
P.S.- IF I SOMEHOW SAID TAKE SUST AND TEST E TOGETHER THEN IT WAS A TYPO AND NOT MEANT TO COME OUT THAT WAY.
Anabolic Member
SORRY IF I CONFUSED YOU OR ANYONE ... I KNOW THAT... I KNOW NEVER TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER... I THINK I SPECIFICALLY STATED DO ONE OR THE OTHER... I AM NOT A FVCKING IDIOT... I KNOW NOT TO MIX THE TWO... IT WOULD BE POINTLESS...
AND I AM SORRY DUDE... I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THIS YOU NEED TO BE THIS OR YOU NEED TO THAT FOR BF % .... I AM CYCLING RIGHT NOW AS I STATED AT 20 % BF AND I HAVE NO SIDES... MY VITALS ARE PERFECT AND I AM GAINING FINE AND MY DIET IS SPOT ON... IF YOU REALLY WANT I WILL POST MY DIET UP SO YOU CAN SEE.
AT 180 LBS. 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IS NOT OVERKILL... SPLIT INTO 6 MEALS ... THAT IS 50 GRAMS PER MEAL WHICH IS NOT UNHEARD OF. I AM NOT TRYING TO BASH ON YOU OR START A WAR BUT DO NOT COME DOWN ON ME WHEN I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING IS CORRECT AS FAR AS I KNOW IT.
THAT IS BASICALLY 1.60 GRAMS OF PROTEIN PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT AND IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CONSUME 1.5 GRAMS PER POUND OF BODY WEIGHT... BUT BY ALL MEANS IF I AM INCORRECT ... PLEASE CORRECT ME SO I HAVE THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE IN MY BRAIN... I AM NOT A "KNOW IT ALL" BUT I TEND TO THINK I DO HAVE A SLIGHT GRASP ON THIS STUFF. THATS ALL.. LIKE I SAID ... NO HARM NO FOUL... I AM NOT FLAMIN' YOU... I AM NOT TRYING TO CREATE A HARSH ENVIRONMENT... I LIKE YOU IMMORTAL SOLDIER I REALLY DO... I THINK YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS VERY WELL VERSED AND I LOVE READING YOUR POSTS .../ JUST PLEASE DONT RAG ON ME.. THATS ALL I ASK... THANKS BROTHA.
P.S.- IF I SOMEHOW SAID TAKE SUST AND TEST E TOGETHER THEN IT WAS A TYPO AND NOT MEANT TO COME OUT THAT WAY.
Dude why the all caps post? That is annoying man, it makes my eyes bleed.
The fact of the matter is just because you decided to run a cycle at 20% bf does not mean that everyone else will be fine running running the same cycle at the same bf.
Hell I know guys who run steroids, drink, eat like **** and grow huge does that mean if I do the same or joe schmo does it he will grow? No
The side effects of cycling at that high of bf has been proven already.
As for the protein, like I said the OP has only 144lbs of muscle on him (if that) when taken his bf% in to account that means to achieve minimum muscle growth he needs to get in 144grms at the end of the day, obviously that is not optimal, optimal would be 1.5 grms per pound of muscle which comes out to 216grms of protein. I believe anymore past 230grms is just going to be flushed out by his body in the form of urea. No this is part fact and part my opinion. 300 grams IMO is too excessive.
And I'm not "bagging" on you, I am having a discussion of opinions and facts with you.
Productive Member
I gained and kept 22 lbs on my first cycle (ever) of Sust-250 frontloaded with dbol. However, I was also powerlifting and eating about 5k a day.
Senior Member
It's Savs first cycle too, so getting the bodyfat down wouldn't hurt. If you've cycled and had enough prior lifting experience your body will come back quick, muscle memory and all. I wouldn't do Sust 250 as a first run, straight test would be better IMO.
Junior Member
I started off on sust 275 and did awesome on the first cycle, but everyone is different. I would now reccomend starting off with a single ester such as test c.
Anabolic Member
I like the way all caps looks... sorry... it just to me is more appealing than this measly writing... but to each their own, Yes you are correct on every angle... I mean I really dont have anything to dispute I agree with everything you say.Dude why the all caps post? That is annoying man, it makes my eyes bleed.
The fact of the matter is just because you decided to run a cycle at 20% bf does not mean that everyone else will be fine running running the same cycle at the same bf.
Hell I know guys who run steroids, drink, eat like **** and grow huge does that mean if I do the same or joe schmo does it he will grow? No
The side effects of cycling at that high of bf has been proven already.
As for the protein, like I said the OP has only 144lbs of muscle on him (if that) when taken his bf% in to account that means to achieve minimum muscle growth he needs to get in 144grms at the end of the day, obviously that is not optimal, optimal would be 1.5 grms per pound of muscle which comes out to 216grms of protein. I believe anymore past 230grms is just going to be flushed out by his body in the form of urea. No this is part fact and part my opinion. 300 grams IMO is too excessive.
And I'm not "bagging" on you, I am having a discussion of opinions and facts with you.
I was always under the assumption the more the better when it comes to Protein. I guess I am wrong. I didn't know the body rejected excess amounts of protein. That being the case then... I am probably ingesting too much myself then. I consume in the neighborhood of about 400 grams daily... well 380. I consume 2 grams of protein per pound of muscle. Maybe I need to rework my diet. I confess I am definitely not a know everything when it comes to this but I would like to think I know more than enough knowledge to survive and that leaves tons of room to grow and soak in more knowledge.
I guess I debate the BF issue so strongly because I know Powerlifters that cycle with AAS and they are NOWHERE NEAR even 25% BF ... they are using it for Strength purposes and not to get a bodybuilders physique. I know Dudes that are probably 330 30% Bf but are Squattin' a half a ton. Deadliftin' 700 and Benchin' 500+ and they are pushing 750 mgs of TEST per week along with a steady regiment of ANADROL and HALO's before a MEET. I guess they either don't care about the possible sides of HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE and the like. They just care about Pushin' and Pullin' as much weight as they can despite the HEALTH RISKS or CONSEQUENCES. Ya know what I mean??
This all being said I guess I have a lot more to learn but for now what i do know I put to use and wisely. I may not be a Powerlifter perse BUT i do know the risks of cycling with my BF % being this High and I probably should have waited longer before I started my cycle but I didn't, it's not like this is new to me, and I figured I was already on TRT so why not just up the Ante to 350 mgs EW of Prop for 10 weeks... just cause I can. I THOUGHT my Diet was good enough but now after learning what you have said to me I might be ingesting waaaay too much protein and wasting it. Like I said.. my macros 380 pro/ 150 Carb/ 80 fat ED. Is that off for me being 5'11"-220lbs,- 20.12% Bf and on PROP 50 MGS ED ?? Just curious....
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