10 weeks in, questions on pct, water weight and gains

[Rugbyboy8]

Hey guys, i'll give you some background below then hit you with the questions.

I am 10 weeks into my test e cycle below and have 4 weeks of injections left

1 - 14 test e 500mgs a week
1 - 5 D-Bol 25 - 40 mgs ed
1 - 6 milk thistle

I have put on 16lbs so far in the ten weeks gone from 230lbs to 246lbs, looks like i've put a little bit of fat on but could this just be water????

qus time.

1) I have 4 weeks left of injections, how long after the last injection does it take until the water begins to drop off and you start to lose some strength??

2) i have tamoxifen and serpafar for pct should i just run it like below


16 - 20 serpafar 50/50/25/25
16 - 20 tamoxifen 40/40/20/20

3) what would most people expect from a first cycle like this? i'm 26 yrs old, big built naturally and as i said was 230lbs at 14% bf. would you have expected more or less gains?

4) i've heard people say that they are holding water etc.. from there cycle, will this just be only on muscles etc.. or can i expect to see some water drop from round my belly as well or is this just a bit of fat lol

5) am i right in thinking that before i start cycle 2 i have to wait as long as i was on plus pct so for this one i'm waiting 20 weeks? man that seems so long haha

Thanks for all the advice guys on leading upto the cycle and during and now i'm just looking to squeeze that last little bit out of you until i start number 2 lol.

[Mammon]

you start pct 2 weeks after enanthate.. not 4
id probably run the clomid (serpafar) at 100mg the first couple weeks

[VR4]

Hey guys, i'll give you some background below then hit you with the questions.

I am 10 weeks into my test e cycle below and have 4 weeks of injections left

1 - 14 test e 500mgs a week
1 - 5 D-Bol 25 - 40 mgs ed
1 - 6 milk thistle

I have put on 16lbs so far in the ten weeks gone from 230lbs to 246lbs, looks like i've put a little bit of fat on but could this just be water????

qus time.

1) I have 4 weeks left of injections, how long after the last injection does it take until the water begins to drop off and you start to lose some strength??

2) i have tamoxifen and serpafar for pct should i just run it like below


16 - 20 serpafar 50/50/25/25
16 - 20 tamoxifen 40/40/20/20

3) what would most people expect from a first cycle like this? i'm 26 yrs old, big built naturally and as i said was 230lbs at 14% bf. would you have expected more or less gains?

4) i've heard people say that they are holding water etc.. from there cycle, will this just be only on muscles etc.. or can i expect to see some water drop from round my belly as well or is this just a bit of fat lol

5) am i right in thinking that before i start cycle 2 i have to wait as long as i was on plus pct so for this one i'm waiting 20 weeks? man that seems so long haha

Thanks for all the advice guys on leading upto the cycle and during and now i'm just looking to squeeze that last little bit out of you until i start number 2 lol.

1. For me its less than 2 weeks....but it might just be reverse placebo...
2. Looks like a solid PCT
3. 20lbs
4. People hold water everywhere...cant tell for sure if its fat or not.
5. cyle length+pct= time off

[Immortal Soldier]

I began losing water weight towards the end of my cycle, I started getting harder and leaner more veins popping out. It all depends on your body some people are suspectible with water weight gain others are not, how much water weight you hold depends on compounds run and the individual.

Also I am running test only so I probably didnt bloat as much as the test+dbol cycle you did.

[in2shape]

pct ...
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10/10

[Immortal Soldier]

pct ...
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10/10

Disagree, first of all I don't know many brands of nolva that come in 10mgs most pharmacuetical comes in 20mg per pill.


Personally I would do

100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20

[WARMachine]

^ Agreed with above.

[in2shape]

Disagree, first of all I don't know many brands of nolva that come in 10mgs most pharmacuetical comes in 20mg per pill.


Personally I would do

100/100/50/50
40/40/20/20

just half the pill bro 2 make 10mg (thats pretty obvious i thought) also ive read that nolva above 20 mg is overkill in a study i read that it made no difference between 40-20mg thats y i put 20 .... also as its his 1st cycle and its pretty basic the 2 together i think would be over kill ......many a person has posted on here and elsewhere with this same cycle and nolva pct alone @ 20/20/20/20 and that worked 4 them ...

in saying that wouldnt hurt/harm to run both

100/100/50/50 clomid
20/20/10/10 nolva

IMO

GOODLUCK WITH YOUR GAINS AND REST OF CYCLE BRO

[Immortal Soldier]

just half the pill bro 2 make 10mg (thats pretty obvious i thought) also ive read that nolva above 20 mg is overkill in a study i read that it made no difference between 40-20mg thats y i put 20 .... also as its his 1st cycle and its pretty basic the 2 together i think would be over kill ......many a person has posted on here and elsewhere with this same cycle and nolva pct alone @ 20/20/20/20 and that worked 4 them ...

in saying that wouldnt hurt/harm to run both

100/100/50/50 clomid
20/20/10/10 nolva

IMO

GOODLUCK WITH YOUR GAINS AND REST OF CYCLE BRO

Deca shuts down the body hard either way even from one dosage, dbol is a little different but still based on the same compound, but personally I like Nolva at 40mgs and would at least keep it at 20 throughout the last 2 weeks in order to prevent any type of excess estrogen floating through the system from attaching with the breast to form gyno.

Personally neither of my dosages are on the high end and I try to get my body kickstarted as fast as possible, I don't skimp out on PCT and go with what works for "some" people because each person in the end is different and I go with what will put me back at homeostasis the fastest.

[in2shape]

Deca shuts down the body hard either way even from one dosage, dbol is a little different but still based on the same compound, but personally I like Nolva at 40mgs and would at least keep it at 20 throughout the last 2 weeks in order to prevent any type of excess estrogen floating through the system from attaching with the breast to form gyno.

Personally neither of my dosages are on the high end and I try to get my body kickstarted as fast as possible, I don't skimp out on PCT and go with what works for "some" people because each person in the end is different and I go with what will put me back at homeostasis the fastest.

where did deca come into it ? this hasnt even been mentioned, unless your comparing it to dbol .... dont know that what i wrote would be "skimping" also didnt use the word "some " it was "most" people who have posted saying nolva worked fine..... in addition i do agree that deca is pretty hardcore in the shutdown area ...im well aware of dbol and deca and the type of steroids they are a nd there characteristics ....didnt say your dosages are high , only mentioned that ive read a study saying anymore than 20 was overkill 4 the nolva .....AGAIN its what works for the individual if thats what works 4 you then great stuff i was just typing my opinion as originally posted ...and overall the 2 pcts yours and mine arent all that different ..... its up to him what he runs yours, mine , freds, pauls,steves,or any joes lets just be greatful hes actually running one !!!!!!!