Var and Clen

[Apec]

I know it's widely known not to do var and clen w/o test, but I've done winny only before and was happy. And also not doing needles for other reasons. Not looking to get much bigger just cut and lean. Please just advice. This is what I'm looking at.

Var 50mg day 6 weeks
Clen 2 week on 2 off 2 cycles 40-120 mcg top

My questions are should I start clen and var at the same time? Also, I don't think any pct is needed, correct?

[johnnybigguns]

What are your stats?
You can run clen alone

[Apec]

5'3. 145. I know your gonna say I need not cut, but I'm stocky as shit and really don't need anymore mass. My diet is decent 4 meals/day. Plenty protein. 24yrs old

[Phate]

5'3. 145. I know your gonna say I need not cut, but I'm stocky as shit and really don't need anymore mass. My diet is decent 4 meals/day. Plenty protein. 24yrs old

post diet for critique and a pic with your face edited out so we can gauge your bf

[johnnybigguns]

Do you know your bf%?

[Apec]

12-15%

[johnnybigguns]

Honestly If you don't like needles I would work on your diet and maybe use some clen to help once the diet is in check.
Nothing will help if you can't get the diet perfect.
Can you see your abs?

[Mammon]

id still run pct after var only

[Apec]

what kind of pct? And how many times canni run the clen 3 cycles 2 on 2 off I was thinking