Eating what you want when you want.

[L1nk]

This is a dumb question and Im pretty sure I know the answer just want to make sure. Food is food, so I dont see what the difference would be but...

Im reading that most you guys follow a certain diet, which I dont. But Im just wondering (Im not on a cycle) as long as you eat within a set amount of macros so 4000calories per day (clean or dirty) would be any different then following a diet plan on a cycle?

[eatrainrest]

the only way that weight wont make a difference is when you dont go over your maintance level.. chances are 4k calories for ytou isnt your maintence level so eating crap food will definately pack fat on you. and yes "clean" foods are obviously healthier then "dirty" foods. if your maintence level is 2k for example and you eat 2k in crap or 2k healthy food, you will not lose or gain weight but the point is to maximize the foods your eating. a snickers bar at 300 calories cant compare to 8 egg whties which is only 102 calories. the point is to get the most of your calories and not waste it on crap food..

[jamyjamjr]

eat 4000k of lard a day and see what happens... this is a dumb question...

[eatrainrest]

actually, just fat would be your energy source so youd probly lose weight.. and your brain.. and anything you ever worked for lol

[T-MOS]

I smell TROLL

[eatrainrest]

lol another one

[L1nk]

I knew it was a stupid question but I guess I just didnt word it properly... Like I said food is food, so following a set diet plan like this:

Meal 1
1 Large egg
½ cup egg whites
½ cup cooked oatmeal
1.5 oz raisins

Meal 2
1 cup low fat cottage cheese
1 large sweet potato
1 oz almonds

Meal 3
6oz ground turkey
½ cup cooked brown rice

Meal 4 (Pre workout)
6 oz chicken breast
1 large baked potato

Meal 5 (post workout)
1 cup skim milk
4 rice cakes
1 medium banana

Meal 6
5 oz top sirloin steak
2 cups broccoli
½ cup brown beans

And having times for each meal IE 2-3 hours apart. Compared to eating X amount of calories X amount of fat carb and pro, to hit those macros eating when you want. Obviously Im not going to eat a tub of lard nor am I going to eat big macs all day. You wont hit those marcros if you eat a bigmac, like my macros are 85g fat 215g pro and 475g carb, I cant eat mc dicks or I will blow my macros...

I just wanted to know about the timing aspect, hence eating when you want....

[jamyjamjr]

I knew it was a stupid question but I guess I just didnt word it properly... Like I said food is food, so following a set diet plan like this:

Meal 1
1 Large egg
½ cup egg whites sooo how many egg whites is that?? 5-6??
½ cup cooked oatmeal
1.5 oz raisins omit

Meal 2
1 cup low fat cottage cheese add a lean meat here
1 large sweet potato
1 oz almonds

Meal 3
6oz ground turkey
½ cup cooked brown rice
decent

Meal 4 (Pre workout)
6 oz chicken breast
1 large baked potato omit the baked potato, do a complex carb here

Meal 5 (post workout)
1 cup skim milk
4 rice cakes
1 medium banana
wheres your pwo shake???

Meal 6
5 oz top sirloin steak
2 cups broccoli
½ cup brown beans
decent
And having times for each meal IE 2-3 hours apart. Compared to eating X amount of calories X amount of fat carb and pro, to hit those macros eating when you want. Obviously Im not going to eat a tub of lard nor am I going to eat big macs all day.

I just wanted to know about the timing aspect, hence eating when you want....

your diet isn't horrible, but i would need macros (pro/fat/cal/carb) and your tdce to finish tweaking it

to get your tdce

Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

[L1nk]

your diet isn't horrible, but i would need macros (pro/fat/cal/carb) and your tdce to finish tweaking it

to get your tdce

Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

Thats not my diet just a example I dont follow set diets. Just read the bottom of the post

[FireGuy]

Before you guys flame the OP too much let me state this method of thinking is not as as rare as you may think. I got in a big argument with an instructor who was teaching this exact same concept. Calories are calories and it doesnt matter where they come from or when you eat them have the exact same effect on weight gain and weight loss. Yes, 4,000 calories from simple sugars will have the exact same effect on weight gain or loss as 4,000 calories from protiens, complex/fibrous carbs and healthy fats. It wasnt til I pinned her down on the effect insulin has on fat storage that she backed off her stance.

[L1nk]

Before you guys flame the OP too much let me state this method of thinking is not as as rare as you may think. I got in a big argument with an instructor who was teaching this exact same concept. Calories are calories and it doesnt matter where they come from or when you eat them have the exact same effect on weight gain and weight loss. Yes, 4,000 calories from simple sugars will have the exact same effect on weight gain or loss as 4,000 calories from protiens, complex/fibrous carbs and healthy fats. It wasnt til I pinned her down on the effect insulin has on fat storage that she backed off her stance.

Im pretty much going off what Layne Norton has done research on. I believe it was on MD. But thats a natural bodybuilders approach, So I wanted a different side of the story

[FireGuy]

I think you would find most natural competitive bodybuilders are very versed in correct dieting methods. Probably more so than their counterparts on average.

[L1nk]

I think you would find most natural competitive bodybuilders are very versed in correct dieting methods. Probably more so than their counterparts on average.

Yea, alright thanks, to the only one in this thread who actually was of use....

[Abominator]

This is a dumb question and Im pretty sure I know the answer just want to make sure. Food is food, so I dont see what the difference would be but...

Im reading that most you guys follow a certain diet, which I dont. But Im just wondering (Im not on a cycle) as long as you eat within a set amount of macros so 4000calories per day (clean or dirty) would be any different then following a diet plan on a cycle?

You know how I know you're fat?

[MattUK666]

eat 4000k of lard a day and see what happens...

Is this good for bulking?

[Rugger02]

And as for your question about time frames and portions, yes you could just eat all your calories in one gigantic meal. But then you're starving yourself for the rest of the day. Your body gets the next days meal in it and since it's already in starvation mode, you're going to be storing most of those calories as fat. Your metabolism will be severly hampered by this approach.