Spring into Summer Cycle - Review.

[BAMBAM2385]

Stats:
5'10
210
BF % about 15%
26yrs old

Week 1-10 Test Prop 700MG EW

Week 1-10 Tren Ace 350MG EW

Week 1-10 HCG 250\iu 2x a week

Week 1-10 Letro OR A-dex since i have both (also have caber on hand)

Week 1-5 Winni Inject 50MG ED

Week 4-8 Masteron Prop 400MG EW

Week 4-10 Var 75MG ED

Week 10-14 A-sin 25MG ED

Week 10-14 Nolva 20MG ED

Week 10-14 Clomid 25MG ED

Week 10-14 Sustain Alpha 5 Pumps ED ( found this stuff to work awesome)

This PCT is awesome for me, I used it after coming off my test e cycle and i loved it, Could have been the hcg during cycle but i kept a good 10lb's.

Been using GH for 7 months now, I'm at 5\iu's ED 5 on 2 off
Cycle experience is 2 cycles both simple test e cycles and one i used a little tren ace.


My intake is going to be a calorie deficient diet 6 meals a day 4 of them being small whole foods and the other 2 being shakes. (total 2k clean cals)

My goal as you can see is to cut down. I may use Helios's (injectable clen) and t3 while i use this cycle i am just afraid of my BP getting to high. I know my free test levels are about 560 right now so i know im good to go, I just want to get opinions if i should tweak anything, Please don't come in here bashing and giving silly remarks were all adults i see the way some people answer some people and its just not right. I am open for constructive criticism.

[Immortal Soldier]

So you only ran 2 cycles prior to this with simple test-e only (and a little tren ace), then you decide to throw everything and the whole kitchen sink into this cycle?

IMO too much going on here...

[Reed]

yeah bro that is just way too many drugs

just stick to test/tren and maybe through in ONE DHT compound plus you got the GH so that should be more than enough

focus on your diet and cardio more

your just throwing money out the window if the above is not in check

[Big]

Way more compounds than needed, and how can you start pct week 10 when week 10 is still on cycle?

[BAMBAM2385]

Way more compounds than needed, and how can you start pct week 10 when week 10 is still on cycle?

well 3 days after my last shot.

And to the above posts I left out some things... My 1st cycle was Prop\Ace\winni and var and i regret it because it was to much and i took to long to recover. Now with that said What do you think i should mod with this cycle.. I wanna use the var and Mast the winni i could do without. And i just have all these things on hand thats why i got a little crazy with the cycle.. I mean who every has suggestions please share.. Think just the prop and ace?

[RA]

Personally I like the compounds but I would run it longer and run the test out after stopping the tren. If youve run tren before and been ok at 350 with the sides why not bump it?

[JiGGaMaN]

did it cross your mind that doing 2.5cc's per day for first 4 weeks is going to be intollerable?

[BAMBAM2385]

did it cross your mind that doing 2.5cc's per day for first 4 weeks is going to be intollerable?

Well here's the deal my prop\ace is a mix so its only 1ml of that and then .5 of EO and .5 of EO prop

Now the mast and winni are going to be shot in a totally different spot.

Personally I like the compounds but I would run it longer and run the test out after stopping the tren. If youve run tren before and been ok at 350 with the sides why not bump it?

Really? I just feel like the tren shuts me down to much and i feel like 50MG ED is enough but then again i could bump it to 75MG, I guess i am going to see how i feel with sides and gains and maybe bump it up and drop something else during that period. I was also thinking about using the prop a week longer, Thus is why i asked for the review of the cycle.

[Immortal Soldier]

I don't get the "more is better" concept people have on steroids.

It's funny really because I make more gains with a good diet and a modest cycle than people who decide to the "kitchen sink" cycles.

I mean take into account that the body no matter how much steroids you put into it can only grow at a rate that coincides with the capabilities of the human body. Nothing short of DNA manipulation will change that IMO.


I mean this is a cutting cycle and you have like 5-6 compounds in the whole cycle + clen, that is just overkill.

[BAMBAM2385]

I don't get the "more is better" concept people have on steroids.

It's funny really because I make more gains with a good diet and a modest cycle than people who decide to the "kitchen sink" cycles.

I mean take into account that the body no matter how much steroids you put into it can only grow at a rate that coincides with the capabilities of the human body. Nothing short of DNA manipulation will change that IMO.


I mean this is a cutting cycle and you have like 5-6 compounds in the whole cycle + clen, that is just overkill.

You have a valid point without a dobut. So how would you modify this cycle just test? I mean tren could be used to along with var.. The clen can be taken out of the cycle. Shoot out some knowledge

[JiGGaMaN]

You have a valid point without a dobut. So how would you modify this cycle just test? I mean tren could be used to along with var.. The clen can be taken out of the cycle. Shoot out some knowledge

how would i modify it?
1-8 500mg/wk test p
1-8 350mg/wk tren
1-8 50mg/day var
letro .25mg eod
hcg at week 4 and at week 8
pct

[BAMBAM2385]

how would i modify it?
1-8 500mg/wk test p
1-8 350mg/wk tren
1-8 50mg/day var
letro .25mg eod
hcg at week 4 and at week 8
pct

Why though, I understand that's what you would do but Why? I am very interested in the reasoning behind certain things.

[BAMBAM2385]

how would i modify it?
1-8 500mg/wk test p
1-8 350mg/wk tren
1-8 50mg/day var
letro .25mg eod
hcg at week 4 and at week 8
pct

And on top of that i felt better results and recovery with HCG 250iu 2x a week. And the var is weak at 50MG IMO that's a weak dose IMO again, and for 8 weeks why even waste it better off using 75MG ED but this is all based on experience I've already had that's why i thought it was good.

[Immortal Soldier]

This is something I thought of really quick

Week 1-10 Test Prop 700MG EW
Week 1-10 Tren Ace 525mg (75mg ED) EW
Week 1-6 Winni Inject 50MG ED

On Cycle Therapy:
Week 1-10 HCG 250\iu 2x a week (or you can run it towards the end of your cycle)
Week 1-10 Armidex .5 mg ED (if you choose)
Week 1-10 Caber (either have it on hand wait for symptoms to arise or run it at .25 mg twice a week)

PCT:
(3 days after last prop shot)- week 14
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Sustain Alpha 5 Pumps ED

[BAMBAM2385]

This is something I thought of really quick

Week 1-10 Test Prop 700MG EW
Week 1-10 Tren Ace 525mg (75mg ED) EW
Week 1-6 Winni Inject 50MG ED

On Cycle Therapy:
Week 1-10 HCG 250\iu 2x a week (or you can run it towards the end of your cycle)
Week 1-10 Armidex .5 mg ED (if you choose)
Week 1-10 Caber (either have it on hand wait for symptoms to arise or run it at .25 mg twice a week)

PCT:
(3 days after last prop shot)- week 14
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Sustain Alpha 5 Pumps ED

Good stuff I am probably going to run this to the tee but with a little bit of var in between the winni

[JiGGaMaN]

And on top of that i felt better results and recovery with HCG 250iu 2x a week. And the var is weak at 50MG IMO that's a weak dose IMO again, and for 8 weeks why even waste it better off using 75MG ED but this is all based on experience I've already had that's why i thought it was good.

well cycles are pretty subjective, i can only provide the guidance, and you are the only one who knows what works for certain. im sort of a minimalist in that sense, i always go low and see if i can gain off that. what did your previous cycles look like?

[JiGGaMaN]

also, regarding BP, i recall AI's as being effective at reducing blood pressure. As for the t3, ive heard that t4 is synergistic with gh, so that might be a preferred alternative.

[Immortal Soldier]

Good stuff I am probably going to run this to the tee but with a little bit of var in between the winni

I mean personally tren and prop at the dosage and on low calorie diet will get you lean as hell (if the tren is legit) alone, I just threw the winny in there so your muscles look "cut" and full.

Dosages can be messed with (for example if you think the tren dosage is a little high)

[RA]

Depends on your goals. Ask the monsters what their cycles are like. I think youll come back with a different opinion.

I don't get the "more is better" concept people have on steroids.

It's funny really because I make more gains with a good diet and a modest cycle than people who decide to the "kitchen sink" cycles.

I mean take into account that the body no matter how much steroids you put into it can only grow at a rate that coincides with the capabilities of the human body. Nothing short of DNA manipulation will change that IMO.


I mean this is a cutting cycle and you have like 5-6 compounds in the whole cycle + clen, that is just overkill.

[wukillabee]

I don't get the "more is better" concept people have on steroids.

It's funny really because I make more gains with a good diet and a modest cycle than people who decide to the "kitchen sink" cycles.

I mean take into account that the body no matter how much steroids you put into it can only grow at a rate that coincides with the capabilities of the human body. Nothing short of DNA manipulation will change that IMO.


I mean this is a cutting cycle and you have like 5-6 compounds in the whole cycle + clen, that is just overkill.

I totally agree and waste of cash. Even if i was rich i wouldnt run this much this early in the game, id have a personal chef! Haha.

[Immortal Soldier]

Depends on your goals. Ask the monsters what their cycles are like. I think youll come back with a different opinion.

lol i love that response

"Ask the hugest guys you know what they are on"

What does prove? Nothing, that a bunch of idiots who take 5-6 compounds at high dosages got a little bit more results than me at the cost of their health.

Also I doubt the "monsters" have only done 1-2 cycles, they most likely cruise and blast and have at least 8-10 cycles under their belt. So you cannot say for sure that if I did the same amount of cycles as them that I wouldn't be the same size or pretty close (also take into account genetics, alot of the monsters you see also have above average genetics)

If it was all about "kitchen sink" cycles than everyone could become a "monster" just by taking Test/Tren/Winny/Dbol/Anavar. It doesn't work that.

What IFBB's pro's do and what the average "gym rat" does is two totally different things.

Not to mention the OP's proposed cycle was a cutting cycle you don't need 5-6 compounds to cut down when your diet is already going to be tailored to a cut.

[RA]

Like I said depends on your goals. Im not talking about megadosing anything but theres nothing wrong with multiple compounds. Of course Im assuming they have done the proper research to know the sides of each one.

lol i love that response

"Ask the hugest guys you know what they are on"

What does prove? Nothing, that a bunch of idiots who take 5-6 compounds at high dosages got a little bit more results than me at the cost of their health.

Also I doubt the "monsters" have only done 1-2 cycles, they most likely cruise and blast and have at least 8-10 cycles under their belt. So you cannot say for sure that if I did the same amount of cycles as them that I wouldn't be the same size or pretty close (also take into account genetics, alot of the monsters you see also have above average genetics)

If it was all about "kitchen sink" cycles than everyone could become a "monster" just by taking Test/Tren/Winny/Dbol/Anavar. It doesn't work that.

What IFBB's pro's do and what the average "gym rat" does is two totally different things.

Not to mention the OP's proposed cycle was a cutting cycle you don't need 5-6 compounds to cut down when your diet is already going to be tailored to a cut.

[tripmachine]

I mean personally tren and prop at the dosage and on low calorie diet will get you lean as hell (if the tren is legit) alone, I just threw the winny in there so your muscles look "cut" and full.

Dosages can be messed with (for example if you think the tren dosage is a little high)

Is the winny a good idea weeks 1-6 with him being at 15% body fat? I've read a lot all over the place that winny is a waste unless under 12% and some people i see saying under 10% .... (personally I'd say 12% and below would be good.... )

[BAMBAM2385]

Is the winny a good idea weeks 1-6 with him being at 15% body fat? I've read a lot all over the place that winny is a waste unless under 12% and some people i see saying under 10% .... (personally I'd say 12% and below would be good.... )

im not gonna do it until i drop to atleast 11%

[Immortal Soldier]

Is the winny a good idea weeks 1-6 with him being at 15% body fat? I've read a lot all over the place that winny is a waste unless under 12% and some people i see saying under 10% .... (personally I'd say 12% and below would be good.... )

The OP wants to do Winny so I put it in the cycle for him

[tripmachine]

im not gonna do it until i drop to atleast 11%

good idea! :]