Toremifene versus Nolva

[Considering]

I posted for the 1st time yesterday and mentioned that I was considering Toremifene for my first cycle’s PCT. I got a bunch of replies suggesting Nolva. Anyone out there that has tried both and cares to way in on the topic or knows something on the subject of Toremifene versus Nolva?

[peachfuzz]

torem works well and can be used in place of nolva. usually the dose is about three times higher then that of nolva and it is much harder to find whereas nolva is readily available and rarely faked. also torem is too new to the market to consider it :safer" then nolva, although as of right now it would appear it is.

In your other thread you asked why stack two SERMS? in a nutshell clomid is superior for testosterone stimulation but is a poor estrogen blocker. this is where Nolva/torem comes in

[Swifto]

Tor and Clomid would be my choice.

[Considering]

Please explain why?

[peachfuzz]

Cuz we suiad so /
more serioujs answer in the morning.

[LATS60]

Iv'e lost count of how many clinical studies iv'e read on TOR vs TAM.
For our purposes it really makes no diff, so go with the cheapest/most readily available.

[Considering]

Tor and Clomid would be my choice.

Have you run both Tor and Nolva?

[Swifto]

Have you run both Tor and Nolva?

Yeah.

Toremifene was the best, then Clomid, then Tamox.

Toremifene with low dose (25-50mg/ED) Clomid.

[Considering]

Yeah.

Toremifene was the best, then Clomid, then Tamox.

Toremifene with low dose (25-50mg/ED) Clomid.

Did you have blood work that showed this, is this what you felt or both?

[Swifto]

Did you have blood work that showed this, is this what you felt or both?

This is what I felt.

The cycle was Test Prop/Tbol for 6 weeks. I used Tore and Clomid and bounced back very well.

I've had BW with Clomid/Tamox and recovered fine. That was after 14 weeks of being shutdown. But Tor/Clomid was better.

I dont know of anyone that has used Tore and not suggested it for pCT afterwards. Its the best SERM for HPTA restoration by far IMHO.

[Considering]

This is what I felt.

The cycle was Test Prop/Tbol for 6 weeks. I used Tore and Clomid and bounced back very well.

I've had BW with Clomid/Tamox and recovered fine. That was after 14 weeks of being shutdown. But Tor/Clomid was better.

I dont know of anyone that has used Tore and not suggested it for pCT afterwards. Its the best SERM for HPTA restoration by far IMHO.

Here is my proposed 1st cycle, stats, and PCT. I planned on using Tore but was talked out of it by the posters on this forum. What would you suggest PCT should be utilizing Tore?:

30 year old male
5’8
195
9-11%? BF (see pics)- http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=349bgy0&s=5 http://i41.tinypic.com/of7ntg.jpg
Training seriously for 16 years

Test E 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Primo 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Or –
Test E 600mg for 12 weeks then 200mg for the next 4 weeks
Primo 600mg for 16 weeks

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/20/0
Clomid 100/50/50/50

[Considering]

This is what I felt.

The cycle was Test Prop/Tbol for 6 weeks. I used Tore and Clomid and bounced back very well.

I've had BW with Clomid/Tamox and recovered fine. That was after 14 weeks of being shutdown. But Tor/Clomid was better.

I dont know of anyone that has used Tore and not suggested it for pCT afterwards. Its the best SERM for HPTA restoration by far IMHO.

So bottom line. Should I run Nolva or Tore?

[Swifto]

So bottom line. Should I run Nolva or Tore?

Toremifene. Hands down.

120mg/ED for 1-2 weeks, then 60mg/ED for 2-3 weeks. Or until labido is back.

Combine that with Clomid 50mg for 1-2 weeks and 25mg for 2-3 weeks and your golden!!

[Swifto]

Here is my proposed 1st cycle, stats, and PCT. I planned on using Tore but was talked out of it by the posters on this forum. What would you suggest PCT should be utilizing Tore?:

30 year old male
5’8
195
9-11%? BF (see pics)- http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=349bgy0&s=5 http://i41.tinypic.com/of7ntg.jpg
Training seriously for 16 years

Test E 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Primo 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Or –
Test E 600mg for 12 weeks then 200mg for the next 4 weeks
Primo 600mg for 16 weeks

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/20/0
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Some user's report less side effects lowering the dose slowly similar to this and better recovery. I'd try it.