Please give comments on my cycle.

[jkproperties]

This is my cycle:
Tren 100mg
Deca 250mg
Testaviron 250mg all these every 3rd day

d/bol 30mg per day for first week then 40mg thereafter
Proviron 2 off per day
Keasar 1 at night

Thanks guys

[Charger527]

How long are you running this cycle?
stats? age, cycle exp, training exp, weight, diet intake, BF%.

also put yoir cycle out in total weakly values to make it easier.
Also whats your planned pct?

[jkproperties]

8 weeks

27 years old
1st cycle
Training since school on off.
more serious over the last 12 months
Weight 75Kg
I am around 1.6m tall
This is my eating plan I am going to start on Monday:
Eating plan

7 am – Meal#1 Protein: 6 egg whites, 2 yolk Carb:1 cup of oats (uncooked weight) mixed in skim milk/fat free milk/water. Extras: cinnamon, 1 tbl honey and 1 banana
Supplements: 1 x V2000 (Multi vit), 1 tbl ***** Sport 3:6:9 10 am – Meal#2
Protein: Have 6 scoops Ultimate Anabolic mixed in fat free milk/ water...
Essential fats: 10 raw almonds
Carb: Have only one of the following: orange, naartjie, green apple, pear, pine apple, paw-paw, melon

12 pm – Meal#3
Protein: 2 chicken/turkey breast, 200gr. Fillet/ostrich
steak, 1 tin of tuna, 200gr of fish
Carbs: 200-250gr. of potato/ sweet potato/brown or basmati
rice and you may add a serving of green salad to your meal. Supplementation: 1 x Vit C

15-20 min before training have: 6 x Bcaa/HMB, 3 x Hardcore Creatine and 1-2 scoops NO Xplode mixed in water...

2pm - Training:
While training have 2 teaspoons Glutamine and 1 scoop After Shock mixed in water...
At end of training session have 3 x Hardcore Creatine...
15min after session have 6 scoops Ultimate Anabolic mixed in water...

4:30pm – Meal#4
Protein: 2 chicken/turkey breast, 200gr. Fillet/ostrich
steak, 1 tin of tuna, 200gr of fish
Carbs: 200-250gr. of potato/ sweet potato/brown or basmati
rice and you may add a serving of green salad to your meal. Supplementation: 1 x Vit C
7 pm - Meal#5 Protein: 200gr. of chicken/turkey breast, 200gr. Fillet/ostrich steak, 1 tin of tuna, 200gr of fish, 200gr. of raw salmon Carbs: 1-2 cups of mix veggies and 1 x baked potato
Evening Supplementation After supper: 3x Cal/Mag

Before bed: Have 2 scoops Whey Tech mixed in fat free milk and add 1 tbl ***** Sport 3:6:9

My Bf was around 20% when i last had it checked.
I am getting the details about my PCT on Monday.
I am having the cycle worked out for me.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

dude don't do 3 compounds on your first cycle it should b test only... and 20% bf is too high to cycle, recommended is 15 or under

[jkproperties]

Hey opucknarf
I will have my bf checked I think it must be lower now my trainer checked it in December.
Why is it bad for a first cycle? arent my insides in a better condition than guys that have used? Shouldn't I handle it better?

I don't want to do another cycle after this one.

[Immortal Soldier]

This is my cycle:
Tren 100mg
Deca 250mg
Testaviron 250mg all these every 3rd day

d/bol 30mg per day for first week then 40mg thereafter
Proviron 2 off per day
Keasar 1 at night

Thanks guys

Tren and deca? Together? For a first cycle?

First you don't cycle 19-nors together
Second tren is the harshest of all steroids and not for beginners.
Third your first cycle is supposed to be test only so you see how your body reacts and see if you are prone to having tities
Fourth your bf% is too high lower it to 15% before you think about cycling


Back to the drawing board.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Tren and deca? Together? For a first cycle?

First you don't cycle 19-nors together
Second tren is the harshest of all steroids and not for beginners.
Third your first cycle is supposed to be test only so you see how your body reacts and see if you are prone to having tities
Fourth your bf% is too high lower it to 15% before you think about cycling


Back to the drawing board.

there u go pretty much says it all... research more bro there's tons of threads here about first cycle info, you'll learn all u need to know

[jkproperties]

Tren and deca? Together? For a first cycle?

Third your first cycle is supposed to be test only so you see how your body reacts and see if you are prone to having tities

Isn't the Kessar supposed to stop this?

[jkproperties]

Tren and deca? Together? For a first cycle?

First you don't cycle 19-nors together

Moderately effective anabolics such Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise would be somewhat of a halfway point, providing extra strength and mass but without the same level of water bloat we see with more readily aromatized steroids.

I found this here:
http://www.ster0ids24.com/trenabol200.html

end of the last paragraph.


That to me seems its ok to use together.
I am not questioning your knowledge just double checking all advice.

Second tren is the harshest of all steroids and not for beginners.

This I believe is an opinion that is different on every site I visit

[jkproperties]

Please keep posting guys.
I am just trying to get an overall idea of what everyone thinks.

I already have the stuff.
I am starting on Monday.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Please keep posting guys.
I am just trying to get an overall idea of what everyone thinks.

I already have the stuff.
I am starting on Monday.

dude you'll regret it trust me... just sell the other $hit, and with that money buy more test, it ALL you need nothing more... look at the sticky'd threads on top of this page, there's one called "beginner test info" or something like that, read it...

[jkproperties]

dude you'll regret it trust me... just sell the other $hit, and with that money buy more test, it ALL you need nothing more... look at the sticky'd threads on top of this page, there's one called "beginner test info" or something like that, read it...

You seem like a real nice guy.

Why will I regret it?

I have been researching tren for a few weeks now and get mixed answers all over the place.

Many guys that haven't done it as a first cycle say its to harsh for a first cycle but a great steroid they love it.

The guys that had it as a first cycle say it is the king of all steroids and reccomend it everytime.

[Immortal Soldier]

Moderately effective anabolics such Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise would be somewhat of a halfway point, providing extra strength and mass but without the same level of water bloat we see with more readily aromatized steroids.

I found this here:
http://www.ster0ids24.com/trenabol200.html

end of the last paragraph.


That to me seems its ok to use together.
I am not questioning your knowledge just double checking all advice.




This I believe is an opinion that is different on every site I visit

I missed the part where they said it is ok for your first cycle. Oh thats right it wasn't even there.

Let me put this into prespective for you, this is what will happen you will run Deca and Test you will get gyno, you won't know which one gave you it, so you think its the Deca so next time you do Test and dbol and guess what? It was TEST! Now you have titties and you can go bra shopping with your gf.

On a serious not, you will blow up either way on your first cycle, test only is recommended, no need to put more **** than your body needs.

Tren is not a beginner steroid. You are getting your facts from a probably fake steroid site trying to get your money. You do not run 19-nors together for the millionith time

Thanks guys.

Question?
How do you check your Bf?
You guys specifically.

When I check it with the computer thingy at the gym my Bf was around 13%
But when My personal trainer checked it it was higher.

That's because the computer is a wrong, it's not accurate, caliper testing is much more accurate.

Post a picture and I will give you a pretty good estimate

[jkproperties]

front, side or back view?

[jkproperties]

Thanks guys.

Question?
How do you check your Bf?
You guys specifically.

When I check it with the computer thingy at the gym my Bf was around 13%
But when My personal trainer checked it it was higher.

[jkproperties]

I cant get this url to paste properly
://*************.com/forum/cycle-info/25968-first-cycle-tren.html
http://*************.com/forum/cycle...ycle-tren.html
replace the stars with:
"anabolic minds" one word

[alpmaster]

You have to use calipers... I've used the handheld computer when I was caliper tested at 11% and it said that I was 6% ...

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

I just read the link u put up about tren for first cycles, it's written by some1 who JUST DID TREN W/OUT TEST???!!! and this is a good source of info? he did tren winny and proviron for 6 weeks thats retarded... and he can't get it up. this is who your listening to? come on man, wise up. I'm trying to help you out here. test only is awsome there's nothing wrong with it!!

[jkproperties]

I just read the link u put up about tren for first cycles, it's written by some1 who JUST DID TREN W/OUT TEST???!!! and this is a good source of info? he did tren winny and proviron for 6 weeks thats retarded... and he can't get it up. this is who your listening to? come on man, wise up. I'm trying to help you out here. test only is awsome there's nothing wrong with it!!

This is only one of the links out there.
This is why my guy reccomended the testaviron and proviron.

I just don't want to do more than 1 cycle. thats why I want to do it on the first cycle.

[jkproperties]

Ill post the leg shot tomorrow.
I am completely relaxed here.
If I flex you can see my abs.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

I can't maximize the pics I'm on a phone so I can't see them well so wait 4 other responses for bf%... but listen, you WONT do only 1 cycle, every1 says they will. no one does

[jkproperties]

How do I upload the pictures from my computer?

Immortal Soldier
I don't mean to upset you.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

How do I upload the pictures from my computer?

Immortal Soldier
I don't mean to upset you.

when your writing a post scroll down at the bottom you'll see "manage attachments" click on that

[Immortal Soldier]

How do I upload the pictures from my computer?

Immortal Soldier
I don't mean to upset you.

It's not that you upset me, but when you act ignorant and disregard for your own health it just pisses people off. You came off as a 18 year old who doesn't care what happens as long as he gets what he wants.

These are hormones you are injecting into your body, remember that. This isn't your local supplement at GNC.

[jkproperties]

I definatly wont do more than 1.
I have been considering the juice since the age of 16.
I just want to add a little bit of muscle not get massive.

[jkproperties]

opucknarf
are you on your first cycle?

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

opucknarf
are you on your first cycle?

yes I'm 5 weeks into my first cycle

[jkproperties]

getting good gains?

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

getting good gains?

yup, i have a cycle log up in the "members cycle results" section check it out it's long but detailed about exactly what I'm doin, and so far I'm seeing awsome results

[JACKEDnTan]

here is a good starter. This is what im doing.
600mgs Test Cyp weeks 1-10 (can bump it to 12)

PCT
clomid 100/100/50/50/50
Tamox 40/40/20/20
A-dex .5/.5/.25/.25

if you want to add another compound I would add winstrol 50mgs for 4-6 weeks thats it
its your first cycle you don't want to eff it up. the winny will help cut along with the test. "Keep it simple stupid". n u r gonna do another cycle...once you cross over you stay over.

[jkproperties]

Thanks Jack.

anyone want to estimate my BF?

[JACKEDnTan]

16-18

[jkproperties]

thanks jack.
anyone else?

[jkproperties]

anyone want to suggest PCT?

[DS21]

Truthfully, you don't need steroids. You really need to build a good base/frame. You are around 20% bf, and have really no muscle. You really need to learn to eat to grow. Your diet doesn't look good at all. YOu are only eating 3 meals a day? I would highly recommend training naturally for a couple of years with proper diet. I know everyone thinks steroids are going to get them huge and cut, but they don't. It's always diet, training and rest. Best of luck.

[JACKEDnTan]

I would listen to DS21. hold of on the juice n get that stuff in check then a year later decide. If i were you i would do alot more research. its all in the pct forum. if ur gonna go ahead and do it here is a sample

clomid
week
1-100mgs
2-100mgs
3-50mgs
4-50mgs

Nolva/Tamox
week
1-40mgs
2-40mgs
3-20mgs
4-20mgs


I would get some a-dex to keep on hand b/c your most likely gonna get gyno. you can add it inyo your pct too it wnt hurt- .5mgs/.5mgs/.25mgs/.25mgs

[jkproperties]

Jack
The kessar(Nolvadex) is supposed to avoid the gyno.
I was also told to use pregnyl throughout my cycle and move the kessar to my PCT.

What do you think about this?

Thanks man.

[DS21]

I just looked at your proposed cycle again, 5 compounds???? Whoever made this cycle for you is probably selling you the gear as well? I'm sure he is just trying to make as much as he could off of you. Do yourself a favor, learn to eat. Then try a test only cycle, and I assure you the results will be better then running the cycle you have in mind with your current diet. Not flaming, just being honest.

[jkproperties]

DS21
Thanks

What would you change on my diet?
I can see you are a good guy. I dont take offence at all.

The truth is I went to see my doctor before considering anything.
in his opinion I was ready to use some juice I then went to see my Pharmacist aswell and also he said he thinks it would be ok.

Both said i need to make sure my diet is right.
But the juice they said go for it.

I haven't discussed the cycle with them however.
Will be seeing my doctor on Monday.

[jkproperties]

Immortal Soldier
The thing is I have been always told what can and cant be done since a young age and found that most people just don't have the balls to do it and say you can't instead.

Whenever I went against the norm I came out much better off than the people that told me it can't be done. I can write a book about this.

I am not throwing caution to the wind. I just find that most of the concerns are about sides that cause the user to be uncomfortable.

Nothing that has been seen as extremely dangerous that I have been able to find and no one has warned me about.

insomnia - I sleep like the dead really I can sleep 12 hours a night if i had the time but get a good 8 hours a night.
sweats, hair loss, acne
Gyno - kessar should avoid this
I know there are a couple more sides but I looked at them and decided i can take it on.

Please tell me if i am wrong and I don't have the bases covered.

The experience thing just doesn't do it for me.