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[normaljoe]

OK, so the title is a little misleading

I'm working on my first cycle and am going with Sustagen and Primo. My main goals are to put on some bulk (10#) but to come out clean and dry at the end. I don't want to do a HUGE MASS CYCLE and come out with 30# more meat and having added 150 to my bench in 3 months. I'm 37 and just trying to turn back the clock 10 years on my legs, chest and shoulders (ok so my abs need help too).

37
5'10"
207#
24% (should be lower, that was 2 weeks ago)
2 months back after 3 years off


My diet is currently running 2000cal (+/- 10%) I'm getting at least 1g of protein per lean # and try for 1.5. I plan to bump up to 2g per # and 2800-3000 by adding more brown rice and start on the yams (I hate brown rice). I don't do many fruits, my junk food is a FiberOne bar every few days when I crave sweets. I'm under by about 600 a day and am working my way towards 800 a day in the hole to cut the fat back before I'm ready.

As I said my goals are not to add a lot of mass, but I want to add some, and I want it lean and slow growing over the summer. I want to come out of this 200-205 and 10% bf (I expect to be under 15% when I start) If I can hold on to 205# 90 days after I will be happy with the results. And my wife would flip a gasket if I bulked up too much and any of her friends figured it out, so I have to take the bulking overly slow to keep her happy.
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I just want to get some feedback and make sure I'm on the right page and that I have got my facts straight.


I'm 30-60 days out from starting this cycle, it will be my first injection cycle.


My cycle plan looks like this:

week 1-5 150mg Sustagen EoD (frontloading 300mg on 1st and 2nd injection)
week 4-12 75mg sustagen, 100mg Primo EoD

week 13-18 nolva 20,20,10,10,10
week 13-17 clomid 100/50/25/25

The only thing I don't like about this is the EOD shots but I didn't like the fluctuations and risks of blood levels that fluctuated from dosing this 2x a week, or E3D. I ran this through roidcalc and it should be a smooth blood level that peaks from week 5-12 and looked balanced from weeks 1-4 waiting for the longer ester compounds to come into play. They all stay within 18mg day to day (week 1-4 low 65mg high 83mg, week 5-12 76mg low 90mg high)


My reasoning for asking is I have read many threads about good results from novice users and blended esters (sustanon 250, sustanon 100) at 1x per week dosages, but also others about the dangers of large fluctuations in test levels, and the chance of having "off days" when the short esters crash. So it comes down to 1 question:

With only 50mg of the short ester Testosterone propionate in the blend it's not a huge part of the total stack, but it should be dosed EOD at least from my understand when used alone. And also on the same side regarding the Testosterone phenylpropionate is recommended at EOD or E3D dosages.

Is it worth the extra pins to EOD like this? or am I over complicating this short / long ester thing?




I'm considering the same schedule and dosages but with Masteron in place of the Primo as well. Just depends if my supplier can get it to me or not by due day.

Thanks for taking the time to help, I'm all ears

[JiGGaMaN]

sorry its against the rules.

[BIG_TRUCK]

You say you don't want to add alot of mass.... Yet you want to gain 15-20lbs of muscle.

You seem confused.

[normaljoe]

You say you don't want to add alot of mass.... Yet you want to gain 15-20lbs of muscle.

You seem confused.

sorry, I'm also considering the bulk of the fat I'm dropping, by my math I'm a bit over 170# lean body mass. My thought were that if I can push that to 185-190 lean, and will have cut back 20# of fat before I start I'm not changing a lot of bulk on my frame, just moving some of it around.

I thought I was being realistic in my expectations overall, but as you can point out, my inexperience shows is the terminology I used to explain myself.

Thanks for your helpful comment!

[BIG_TRUCK]

I'm trying to gain 30-45lbs of muscle.... Don't want to get to big though... Just lean up around with 100lbs added to my bench... Don't want to gain much strength.

What should I take? LMAO

[jbm]

I'm confused... your misleading was so effective!!!!

[makod]

I'm trying to gain 30-45lbs of muscle.... Don't want to get to big though... Just lean up around with 100lbs added to my bench... Don't want to gain much strength.

What should I take? LMAO

[jamyjamjr]

OK, so the title is a little misleading

I'm working on my first cycle and am going with Sustagen and Primo. My main goals are to put on some bulk (10#) but to come out clean and dry at the end. I don't want to do a HUGE MASS CYCLE and come out with 30# more meat and having added 150 to my bench in 3 months. I'm 37 and just trying to turn back the clock 10 years on my legs, chest and shoulders (ok so my abs need help too).

37
5'10"
207#
24% (should be lower, that was 2 weeks ago)
2 months back after 3 years off


My diet is currently running 2000cal (+/- 10%) I'm getting at least 1g of protein per lean # and try for 1.5. I plan to bump up to 2g per # and 2800-3000 by adding more brown rice and start on the yams (I hate brown rice). I don't do many fruits, my junk food is a FiberOne bar every few days when I crave sweets. I'm under by about 600 a day and am working my way towards 800 a day in the hole to cut the fat back before I'm ready.

As I said my goals are not to add a lot of mass, but I want to add some, and I want it lean and slow growing over the summer. I want to come out of this 200-205 and 10% bf (I expect to be under 15% when I start) If I can hold on to 205# 90 days after I will be happy with the results. And my wife would flip a gasket if I bulked up too much and any of her friends figured it out, so I have to take the bulking overly slow to keep her happy.
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I just want to get some feedback and make sure I'm on the right page and that I have got my facts straight.


I'm 30-60 days out from starting this cycle, it will be my first injection cycle.


My cycle plan looks like this:

week 1-5 150mg Sustagen EoD (frontloading 300mg on 1st and 2nd injection) dont front load sust.. u'll regret it.. there's prop in sust, no need
week 4-12 75mg sustagen, 100mg Primo EoD

week 13-18 nolva 20,20,10,10,10
week 13-17 clomid 100/50/25/25

The only thing I don't like about this is the EOD shots but I didn't like the fluctuations and risks of blood levels that fluctuated from dosing this 2x a week, or E3D. I ran this through roidcalc and it should be a smooth blood level that peaks from week 5-12 and looked balanced from weeks 1-4 waiting for the longer ester compounds to come into play. They all stay within 18mg day to day (week 1-4 low 65mg high 83mg, week 5-12 76mg low 90mg high)


My reasoning for asking is I have read many threads about good results from novice users and blended esters (sustanon 250, sustanon 100) at 1x per week dosages, but also others about the dangers of large fluctuations in test levels, and the chance of having "off days" when the short esters crash. So it comes down to 1 question:

With only 50mg of the short ester Testosterone propionate in the blend it's not a huge part of the total stack, but it should be dosed EOD at least from my understand when used alone. And also on the same side regarding the Testosterone phenylpropionate is recommended at EOD or E3D dosages.

Is it worth the extra pins to EOD like this? or am I over complicating this short / long ester thing?




I'm considering the same schedule and dosages but with Masteron in place of the Primo as well. Just depends if my supplier can get it to me or not by due day.

Thanks for taking the time to help, I'm all ears

im a bit pissed at the fact that you mislead me like that.. if you need advice about your cycle, all you have to do is ask...

seems the issue your really gonna have is your diet.. 2000kcal, with your stats, your not eating enough........

if you wanna get your diet in check, go to the diet branch of this forum
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

here's the link.. open up a new thread and put my sn in it, im in there everyday and will give you all the info and guidence u need...

try not to pull this shit again...

[CJ.]

Damn it I looked!!!

[normaljoe]

im a bit pissed at the fact that you mislead me like that.. if you need advice about your cycle, all you have to do is ask...

seems the issue your really gonna have is your diet.. 2000kcal, with your stats, your not eating enough........

if you wanna get your diet in check, go to the diet branch of this forum
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

here's the link.. open up a new thread and put my sn in it, im in there everyday and will give you all the info and guidence u need...

try not to pull this shit again...

Thanks for taking it with a grain of salt man, I was just having fun.

[ I plan to bump up to 2g per # and 2800-3000 by adding more brown rice and start on the yams (I hate brown rice).

I'm still restricting my intake right now trying to lower BF% more prior to starting up the cycle. My main question was regarding the dosage and timing of the compounds. I will get in the diet forum when I get a bit closer to that phase, as I said I'm still 30-60 days out, I'm not going to start until I can get my BF% lower.

I was thinking that adding in an additional 2 meals (from 5 to 7 a day) of carbs and proteins I could get up to the 3000 calorie range. I had considered that I might need more but I'm in my first "draft" of this cycle, and it is my first one that wasn't oral.



I just thought it would be a good LOL on the thread title

[CHUCKYthentic]

I'm trying to gain 30-45lbs of muscle.... Don't want to get to big though... Just lean up around with 100lbs added to my bench... Don't want to gain much strength.

What should I take? LMAO

Once again a post from you that is worthless, insulting, and the least bit helpful

[CHUCKYthentic]

normaljoe

1st off the only thing you need to worry about is getting your bf% down. its alright to plan out a cycle early that way you can have everything prepared

once you get that bf% to about 15-16%, then you can consider starting your cycle

as for the primo, you should just take that out of this cycle. 1 reason being since it is your 1st cycle, it is best to go with a test only cycle. also IMO primo helps best with guys that have a low bf% and i even hear mixed things about it such as its hard to find good primo. whether this is true or not, just what ive read

if you can, get a single estered test such as test e or test c @ 500mg/week split into 2 250mg shots/week 3.5 days apart for 12 weeks.

if you only can run the sust, id recommend you run it at 125mg EOD, thatll put you at 500mg/week for about 10-12 weeks

pct looks alright. everybody is diff so some guys run slightly diff pct

pct will start 18 days after last sust shot (as well as test c)
*** if you run test e itll be 14 days after last shot

[BIG_TRUCK]

Once again a post from you that is worthless, insulting, and the least bit helpful

Good thing your here to spread the knowledge with your 6ft 205lbs on your 4th cycle...... lol what a joke.

[CHUCKYthentic]

finally got your attention!

im happy with where im at right now buddy thanks!

when its all said and done, i want to be about 215-220max

dont wana be a lard, unhealthy 310 with heart problems at age of 35

BTW you shouldnt even say anything man. it has been in question whether or not you are full of $hit! ive read your 1st and only post

ill give you one thing, when you do actually give good advice, it is solid. most of the time all you do is talk $hit and act like a jacka$$!

[BIG_TRUCK]

finally got your attention!

im happy with where im at right now buddy thanks!

when its all said and done, i want to be about 215-220max

dont wana be a lard, unhealthy 310 with heart problems at age of 35

BTW you shouldnt even say anything man. it has been in question whether or not you are full of $hit! ive read your 1st and only post

ill give you one thing, when you do actually give good advice, it is solid. most of the time all you do is talk $hit and act like a jacka$$!

It's more fun doing that ^
Funny how little people like to say they don't want to be big.... Don't worry , you never will.

[CHUCKYthentic]

whats big?

1st off, if you could read, i never said i wanted to be big or small. im simply stated a weight... if YOU think 215 is small, well alright. I dont train to impress others buddy, sorry

2nd, no comment on your authenticity?

[BIG_TRUCK]

whats big?

1st off, if you could read, i never said i wanted to be big or small. im simply stated a weight... if YOU think 215 is small, well alright. I dont train to impress others buddy, sorry

2nd, no comment on your authenticity?

I was a mod on this exact site years before you even joined. lol

[CHUCKYthentic]

Alright thats great. im not questioning your intelligence or what you use to be, like i said you give good advice. you should try it more often though instead of trying to act like an arrogant d!ck!

still doenst explain why who your are has been at question. not to mention you took down your avi... is it cuz it wasnt you?

[DSM4Life]

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