Gear for Strength with just a Little more Size?

[bikepunk]

I'm looking for a little advice. I've done a ton of reading, including steroid profiles, comparison charts and forums, yet I still can't make a solid descision.

I'm 6'0, 165lbs and 25yrs old. I've put on as much weight as I can naturally. I've been on a strength and weight plateau for about a year or so. I want more strength, but not too much weight. (10 to 15lbs) I'm really skinny and have a super high metabolism. Here's the options I've been stuck on:

EQ, Tren or Winny.
Just by themselves I figured. The only side effects I'm not wanting are Hair Loss and Sexual Dysfunction.

I've also considered test E or test Prop, with one of the above, but I'd like to know i'll react to just one at a time so I can build a good stack for myself later. Any advice you could give aside from deit and lift routines would be very much appreciated! I want to crush this plateau. Thanks.

[T-MOS]

you are going about this a little wrong !!

FIRST if you only want a little weight then you don't need steroids, as at 6' and ONLY 165, we would suggest that you reach your natural potential of about 200-210 BEFORE ever using steroids

so, if yoiu are stuck at a weight plateau now at only 165, then your problem is 100% DIET !!

we have some great guys here that can help you get your diet in line for your goals

Phate
or
jamyjamjr

are both excellent with diet help

in all honesty, steroids would be a waste for you as you would NOT keep any of the gains you may make from them at this point

as far as the steroids you mentioned, NONE of them with the exception of Test would be good for you at this point for many reasons

[bikepunk]

I'm pretty sure it's not my deit. I have free beef from the farm, Steaks, roasts, ground beef. Lots of vegtables too. Lots of fruit and carbs as well. When I started lifting I was probably under 120lbs. My mom has all the education to be a deitition and massage therapist. She even worked with the athletes during the olympics in Calgary Canada and she lectured me all the time when i was 18 and started lifting. As well, I have read the info from Phate.

I have been leaning towards Test Enthante with winny, eq or tren. I'm really just not sure which one would be the best.

[T-MOS]

I'm pretty sure it's not my deit. I have free beef from the farm, Steaks, roasts, ground beef. Lots of vegtables too. Lots of fruit and carbs as well. When I started lifting I was probably under 120lbs. My mom has all the education to be a deitition and massage therapist. She even worked with the athletes during the olympics in Calgary Canada and she lectured me all the time when i was 18 and started lifting. As well, I have read the info from Phate.

I have been leaning towards Test Enthante with winny, eq or tren. I'm really just not sure which one would be the best.

and i am pretty sure it IS your diet.

how about you post up a typical days food intake and times you eat. amounts are great if you have them , if not just what you eat and when will be good

stay away from the winny, eq, and tren, seriously

do you know your bodyfat %

Eq is VERY weak and slow, so you need a LOT and it needs run for a long time

winny is only good if your bodyfat% is under 10% and only for 6-8 weeks
it also needs taken several times EVERYDAY

Tren is NOT for the beginner, it has the HARSHEST side effects of any steroid, so you should never use it until you have about 6 cycles under your belt and know how your body reacts to each compound and its side effects

Test E would be fine, and if your gonna do it, that would be the ONLY thing to use and by ITSELF. BUT there is much more to it than just taking a steroid. there are ancillaries that you need to have on hand for during a cycle, then there are PCT compounds that you need to take after the cylce which is the MOST important part

lets see the diet

[bikepunk]

I have done the research about durations and PCT. I didn't think eq was that week. I thought Test E and Eq would put on like 20lbs and alot of water retention.

If Eq was the final decision i was planning on 12 weeks, and was going to run eq or tren the last six weeks of the cycle. I haven't had my body fat checked lately, but when I did it was below average. Like 7 to 10%. I'm not looking for orals either, just injection.

7:30 (wake up) Banana and muffin or toast and peanut butter
10:00 (break) Either, Strawberries, avacado, carrots, snap peas, pepper ect
Always nuts and a granola bar.
12:00 (lunch) Steak, Roast or a dish with ground beef (chili, spagetti and meat sause)
More salad, or just a whole cucumber, peas or other veggies
Potatoes if it's just roast or steak
Again more snacks like nuts, berries and occasional junk food
2:30 (break) Granola bar (occasional Oh henry or Eatmore haha I can't lie)
Fruit juice and more fruit.
6ish (dinner) typical of lunch, usually lunch is left over from dinner.
8ish (post workout) High carb protein shake
Creatine just before.
And usally alot of random snacking, bowls of cereal, meat, chips, what ever i'm craving I eat. I figure I'm probably craving it for a reason.

I also somehow manage to go through a gallon of milk a week and spend way too much of fruits, veggies and salads. I take amino acids following workouts. And during the day I take a multivitamin, ***** 3-6-9, C, B, Glutamine, and saw plametto.

From what you've told me, I think tren is out. Thanks.

[T-MOS]

OK, i am gonna ask jamyjamjr to get in here for you cause to be BRUTALLY HONEST like you asked, YOUR DIET SUCKS!!! and that is why you are not growing

If you are not going to listen to my advice about the steroids, then I am not going to waste my time

EQ needs to be run for NO LESS than 14-16 weeks at 600 mgs/week anything less and it is a WASTE

[hankdiesel]

You're diet is not as good as you think it is. You have no good protein source in your first two meals. There is a lot more here you need to look at.

[richtries]

I have done the research about durations and PCT. I didn't think eq was that week. I thought Test E and Eq would put on like 20lbs and alot of water retention.

If Eq was the final decision i was planning on 12 weeks, and was going to run eq or tren the last six weeks of the cycle. I haven't had my body fat checked lately, but when I did it was below average. Like 7 to 10%. I'm not looking for orals either, just injection.

7:30 (wake up) Banana and muffin or toast and peanut butter
10:00 (break) Either, Strawberries, avacado, carrots, snap peas, pepper ect
Always nuts and a granola bar.
12:00 (lunch) Steak, Roast or a dish with ground beef (chili, spagetti and meat sause)
More salad, or just a whole cucumber, peas or other veggies
Potatoes if it's just roast or steak
Again more snacks like nuts, berries and occasional junk food
2:30 (break) Granola bar (occasional Oh henry or Eatmore haha I can't lie)
Fruit juice and more fruit.
6ish (dinner) typical of lunch, usually lunch is left over from dinner.
8ish (post workout) High carb protein shake
Creatine just before.
And usally alot of random snacking, bowls of cereal, meat, chips, what ever i'm craving I eat. I figure I'm probably craving it for a reason.

I also somehow manage to go through a gallon of milk a week and spend way too much of fruits, veggies and salads. I take amino acids following workouts. And during the day I take a multivitamin, ***** 3-6-9, C, B, Glutamine, and saw plametto.

From what you've told me, I think tren is out. Thanks.

Did you not listen to anything T-MOS just said!? Tren will **** you up!

Oh, and your diet is herendous!

[bikepunk]

Did you not listen to anything T-MOS just said!? Tren will **** you up!

Oh, and your diet is herendous!

I just said tren is out, meaning It's not an option anymore. I'm constantly reading about diet and i wish i could give you the amounts everything, but I do have a constant variety with plenty of protein throughout the day.

[T-MOS]

I just said tren is out, meaning It's not an option anymore. I'm constantly reading about diet and i wish i could give you the amounts everything, but I do have a constant variety with plenty of protein throughout the day.

um NO you DON"T !!!

7:30 (wake up) Banana and muffin or toast and peanut butter( peanut butter is NOT the best choice for protein here) Muffin is NOT the best carb either

10:00 (break) Either, Strawberries, avacado, carrots, snap peas, pepper ect
Always nuts and a granola bar. (where is the protein here???)

12:00 (lunch) Steak, Roast or a dish with ground beef (chili, spagetti and meat sause)
More salad, or just a whole cucumber, peas or other veggies
Potatoes if it's just roast or steak
Again more snacks like nuts, berries and occasional junk food

2:30 (break) Granola bar (occasional Oh henry or Eatmore haha I can't lie)
Fruit juice and more fruit. (TERRIBLE, too much refined sugars and NO protein)

6ish (dinner) typical of lunch, usually lunch is left over from dinner.

8ish (post workout) High carb protein shake ( not terrible, but should limit this to PWO meal)


i have asked jamyjamjr to get in here and help you , he can do wonders IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LISTEN

[bikepunk]

I am willing to listen, but I was just wondering more about appropriate cycles from people who have done or know about them first hand. That is just what i've typically eaten this week. I would like some advice on getting more protein in the morning, and I would love some information about gear.

[T-MOS]

you ask for APPROPRIATE information, and you are getting it

steroids are NOT what you need right now , but that is what you want to do, so that is ALL you will hear

when you come back in 4 months and are the same weight, then you will cry WHY??

I have 10 years of cycle experience....why would I need to lie to you or try to talk you out of using?????

I gave you the APPROPRIATE information about the steroids you asked about, and you still wont' listen

you want to waste your time, money and risk your health, then go for it!!!

I am DONE with this thread

[bikepunk]

I gave you the APPROPRIATE information about the steroids you asked about, and you still wont' listen

you want to waste your time, money and risk your health, then go for it!!!

I am DONE with this thread

What do you mean I don't listen? You said tren is not for cycle beginners, so i'm not considering it anymore. You treat me like i haven't done any research about it and then act like your the cat's meow cause you've done a few cycles.

[T-MOS]

What do you mean I don't listen? You said tren is not for cycle beginners, so i'm not considering it anymore. You treat me like i haven't done any research about it and then act like your the cat's meow cause you've done a few cycles.

not at all, i gave you advice on ALL the steroids you listed, and you are still asking for advice on gear?????

you wanted first hand experience so I reassured you that I have 10 years of cycle experience

I am treating you like this , because you are one of those people that come here and already know what you are going to do, and are just waiting for ONE post where someone agrees with you........

You are NOT ready for steroids
You do NOT need steroids to reach the goals YOU stated
Your Diet is the problem holding you back
You still want to do steroids despite all advice given

and Hell Ya I AM THE CAT'S MEOW, so maybe you should consider I am telling you all this for YOUR OWN HEALTH AND WELL BEING....

[D7M]

lol

he said "cat's meow"...lol

what is this 1950?

don't get a bee in your bonnet, guy.

[Knockout_Power]

nah, hes just sick of this exact question being asked half a dozen times a day. The only answer these people want to hear is which steroids to take but thats not the answer to their growth problems.

The diet section of this forum has loads of advice in just the first couple stickies to get you in better order than what you are currently at. Dont confuse eating a lot of calories with eating the proper ones and eating the proper ones at the proper times.

There is even one thread in the diet section being hosted by Nark and Nova where they are giving free dieting advice to anyone willing to ask a question and listen to the answer. Info they usual charge for their customers.

take a little wander into the section and within an hour you will answer 80% of the questions you have right now

[fresh31]

Yeah dude your diet kind of sucks =/ (really sucks to be honest)

[bikepunk]

Thanks for the helpful roid advice. I didn't realize I was going to get my deit analyzed or I would have put a good disciplined one. That was just what i've had this week. A non workout week because I crashed the dirt bike. I have talked to deititions and have had sessions with two professional bodybuilders. This is why I posted said right in the beginning i don't want deit and routine advice. You don't know my build and so you assume I lots of room to put on natural size. I put my health first, which is the only reason i started lifting. Thanks for advice though. I'm out.

[fresh31]

so ask the dietitians and the body builders for steroid advice...
I think most guys here will agree that you don't seem like you need any roids and nor do you seem mature enough to know what you're doing.
your name's pretty on point imo "bikepunk"

[T-MOS]

we DO know your body, its 6' and ONLY 165 lbs that is pretty self explanatory.

if you had a better diet lined up, you would have posted what your Pro bodybuilders gave you, and if you are working with "PROS" then ask them about your steroid use

your name suits you well, you are just another PUNK that says you put your health FIRST, but as soon as we tell you that steroids are not HEALTHY for you "Right Now" you want to run away and cry.............

We are trying to HELP your sorry ass do this right so you don't become the next poster child blasted on youtube for how TERRIBLE steroids are..........

[Hunter]

When I asked ronnie coleman about diet. He just yelled I have never failed a drug test.

[bikepunk]

Well i did ask one, and I was told Test Prop and Eq. Just wanted a second opinion, not a bunch of guys who think because i'm new to the forum I don't know what i'm doing. I use an old username which actually refers to the music i used to listen and you guys start telling me i'm a punk... then tell me i immature. hahaha, get a hobbie or two.

[T-MOS]

yea, prop and eq, thats a GREAT combination....he must be SOME pro !!!

good luck with that !!
you are being treated the way you are NOT because of your age, but your attitude


ya know, the sad thing here is that you will go and do that cycle, and actually think it is a good one, and that you had great results from it..SAD

[bikepunk]

yea, prop and eq, thats a GREAT combination....he must be SOME pro !!!

good luck with that !!
you are being treated the way you are NOT because of your age, but your attitude


ya know, the sad thing here is that you will go and do that cycle, and actually think it is a good one, and that you had great results from it..SAD

No, I didnt think it was good. It is for him, but maybe not me that's why I Thought you guys could maybe help.

[T-MOS]

here you go kid, have fun with it, don't kill yourself

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Hunter]

You need a overhaul on your diet. Your really skinny. I am 5'7 at 175 and under 12% bf and I am skinny compared to alot of the guys on this board. Why not check out the diet have the guys there help you out and comeback and decide to cycle in maybe a year or so. Its not like steroids are going anywhere.

[*RAGE*]

No, I didnt think it was good. It is for him, but maybe not me that's why I Thought you guys could maybe help.

I dont think anything can help you because you dont listen.......I think you still need breast milk...start there..

[fresh31]

^^^hilarious. btw bikepunk i'm 5'6 a little over 200 lbs and between 10-12% bf so you're extremely light for your height, I was 190 natural with about 14% bf.

[jdog007]

After all that BS you still helped that kid out, thats love...lol

[T-MOS]

After all that BS you still helped that kid out, thats love...lol

yea i guess i am getting soft in my old age. don't want him doing something MORE stupid and making steroids look bad

[jbm]

yea i guess i am getting soft in my old age. don't want him doing something MORE stupid and making steroids look bad

OLD AGE! lolol....

[MgpGator]

you can EASILY obtain your goals with a good diet. Eating right is healthier then injecting random drugs into u. How about eggs in the morning. Eat 5 eggs and a bowl of oatmeal. Then eat chicken, steak or fish with brown rice another 5 times in 1 day. If you havent tried that then you won't gain....if you try and dont gain, go see a doc, you might have a serious illness.

[jamyjamjr]

OK, i am gonna ask jamyjamjr to get in here for you cause to be BRUTALLY HONEST like you asked, YOUR DIET SUCKS!!! and that is why you are not growing

If you are not going to listen to my advice about the steroids, then I am not going to waste my time

EQ needs to be run for NO LESS than 14-16 weeks at 600 mgs/week anything less and it is a WASTE

what's up guys... thx for the heads up T...

im completely gonna have to agree with T-MOS and pretty much everyone else in this forum...

your diet is absolutly horrible......

............

[jamyjamjr]

I have done the research about durations and PCT. I didn't think eq was that week. I thought Test E and Eq would put on like 20lbs and alot of water retention.

If Eq was the final decision i was planning on 12 weeks, and was going to run eq or tren the last six weeks of the cycle. I haven't had my body fat checked lately, but when I did it was below average. Like 7 to 10%. I'm not looking for orals either, just injection.

7:30 (wake up) Banana and muffin or toast and peanut butter muffin will cause insulin spike... what kinda toast?? peanut butter okay, but where the hell is your protien at??
10:00 (break) Either, Strawberries, avacado, carrots, snap peas, pepper ect
Always nuts and a granola bar. you just went through the whole glycemic spectrum with that.. again where's the protien??
12:00 (lunch) Steak, Roast or a dish with ground beef (chili, spagetti and meat sause)
More salad, or just a whole cucumber, peas or other veggies
Potatoes if it's just roast or steak
Again more snacks like nuts, berries and occasional junk food
this is horrible... stick to the basics...
2:30 (break) Granola bar (occasional Oh henry or Eatmore haha I can't lie)
Fruit juice and more fruit.
you cheat too much throughout your day.. fruit juice is horrible for you, because it has alotta simple sugars.. where's the protien?
6ish (dinner) typical of lunch, usually lunch is left over from dinner. chee, thx for being specific...
8ish (post workout) High carb protein shake i think this is the only thing thats okay in your diet right now
Creatine just before.
And usally alot of random snacking, bowls of cereal, meat, chips, what ever i'm craving I eat. I figure I'm probably craving it for a reason.

I also somehow manage to go through a gallon of milk a week and spend way too much of fruits, veggies and salads. I take amino acids following workouts. And during the day I take a multivitamin, ***** 3-6-9, C, B, Glutamine, and saw plametto.

From what you've told me, I think tren is out. Thanks.

your diet is shit.....

we can get u up to 200lbs minimum just by changing your diet and training routine...

watch these videos for me, they will give you a great idea as to how your diet should be looking....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

then, i need you to do some math...
Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9


im not doing all this for the fun of it, we're here to help you...

but you gotta put the childish "i wanna do steroids to get big" additude away... thats not the way to go....

it's up to you, iv provided you with a wealth of knowledge already with this one post...

if you wanna get big, reply to this post after your done with everything iv asked (especially watching those videos) and post up a new detail diet with macros (pro/fat/cal/carb), you can use fitday.com to get these...

im waiting on your response...

[Chev]

I hate dumb people....

[thai-lan]

wow, i wonder of this kid's real age!! He says he's 25 but doesnt act like hes 25!! Nor has he got any respect for experienced people

[sigman roid]

What do you mean I don't listen? You said tren is not for cycle beginners, so i'm not considering it anymore. You treat me like i haven't done any research about it and then act like your the cat's meow cause you've done a few cycles.

you havent listened if you had you would know your diet is shvt and steroids aint for you at this time but instead of LISTENING you now want to start with the person who gave you proper advice,do a cycle good luck.