Hello :)

[Zykomaniac]

Im 22 years old I've been working out for around 2 and a half year + military service at 1 and a half year before that.

What bothers me is that even though I've trained alot I dont gain any more muscles, If I get some pounds of fat its gone like 1 week after starting my training schedules and no weight gain. I am also very naturally ripped, I am 1.82 meter in height and weigh approx 158, well at new year this year, I started considering use of steroids.

But I want some size damnit, to match!

Thing is that I am only wanting to use oral steroids.

Anavar
Dianabol
Winstrol
Clenbuterol
Deca durabolin

uncertain about if some of them exists in oral forms but


I know plenty of guys from my gym who use steroids, they also were naturally skinny, but after using steroids, they got bigger with still pretty compact muscles.

They just increases reps not weight nor sets,well actually 2 of them started last week with one additional sets. They say they do it because they dont want to become to much of muscle blocks but want to retain their size and only keep on building strenght and endurance.

And was wondering if I should do the same? start using small amounts of steroids to help on building?

Perhaps as a sidenote, I train 2 days a week thai boxing and 2 days jogging alot as well as lifting weights 2 days, thai boxing on monday and wedensday, lifting weights at friday and saturday, jogging saturday and synday.

Thai boxing on monday training time is reduced to have some more rest for the rest of the week.

Extra Addition: I see other people post they bf
Mine is 10.3% to 12.6% varying on method.

Unusfull information perhaps!
Not had a single outburst of acne|spots since the age of 15, I've been 182cm tall since I were 16.

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

Orals ONLY are terrible idea and really bad for you!! If you can't inject, then you really shouldn't even consider steroids

[vpchill]

Welcome

[D7M]

welcome

[CHAP]

Welcome

[Zykomaniac]

Thanks for the welcoming.

I very well know the difference in risks on oral vs injects.
So speaking of dangers you would recommend running a cycle on oral + injectables?
Sorry if I misunderstood what you said about oral only.

Well at this point I am still not going to use injects, thats my say.
Sorry if it seems that I reject your warning totally, I appriciate your concern about my health/life.

[T-MOS]

Thanks for the welcoming.

I very well know the difference in risks on oral vs injects.
So speaking of dangers you would recommend running a cycle on oral + injectables?
Sorry if I misunderstood what you said about oral only.

Well at this point I am still not going to use injects, thats my say.
Sorry if it seems that I reject your warning totally, I appriciate your concern about my health/life.

The problem with taking orals only is that they are going to SHUT DOWN your natural production of test !! SO you are taking a steroid to BOOST your hormones, but at the same time you are shutting OFF the one hormone that makes a man a man

not to mention the liver toxicity of most orals

so without testosterone flowing in your body, you can expect:

· Low sex drive

· Erectile dysfunction (ED)

· Increased irritability or depression

· Fatigue

· Reduced muscle mass and strength

· Inability to concentrate

· Decreased bone density; osteoporosis

but its your body, do with it what you will........

[Zykomaniac]

just to lower parts of your list

· Low sex drive ( have never gotten attracted to anyone so I dont really care at this part)

· Erectile dysfunction (ED) (read upper part)

· Increased irritability or depression - This is also often linked with the two upper points, but have never bothered me at all

· Fatigue - often combined to depression and irritability

· Inability to concentrate - often combined to deppression and irritability

· Reduced muscle mass and strength - Also linkable to Fatigue


· Decreased bone density; osteoporosis - This I cant link with the others.

about the ones combined with depression and irritability, is there any other medical relations you can link them to because of the orals?

So using one inject with testosterone and orals together would be better than 1 orals alone?

Also I read about types of needles to use, insulin needles are only going to be pumped in the fat layer as on people with diabetes? aka not in the muscles?
how is this for oil based steroids then? still usable? because Id rather only pump it into the fat layer.

[T-MOS]

Oil based compounds need to be injected into the deep muscle tissue.

there are several threads here on injecting, and to be honest i was petrified the first time i thought of injecting....now i can't wait to inject... it really doesn't hurt, its mostly mind over matter, and once you do a couple you become a pro instantly

here are some links to help you

Test for begginners
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

How to Inject
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=343692

[Zykomaniac]

hmm, but just for starters, could you list some oil and water based steroids? (I bet this is different between the one who produces them, probably noob question)

Im pretty used to adding syringes to the fatlayer, its just that sometimes when I've hit my brothers muscles when he couldnt relax he screamed so darn loud.

Just one thing, is steroid injections sterility needs bigger than insulin needs?

[T-MOS]

hmm, but just for starters, could you list some oil and water based steroids? (I bet this is different between the one who produces them, probably noob question)

Im pretty used to adding syringes to the fatlayer, its just that sometimes when I've hit my brothers muscles when he couldnt relax he screamed so darn loud.

Just one thing, is steroid injections sterility needs bigger than insulin needs?

doesn't matter if it is oil or water based, you want to inject steroids DEEP MUSCLE

for Glute shots you need a 23 g 1.5 inch needle
for quads or delts, a 25g 1 inch will do

if he is screaming, then he is either a p u s s y or you are doing it wrong !!! all my injects go in nice and smooth, never a problem. do NOT push compounds in fast, it should take a minute or two to inject

the threads i gave you will help explain things, please read them!!!

[Zykomaniac]

was just refering to

the main page on how to inject them

For doing a subcutaneous shot, with an insulin needle (this is typically how Growth Hormone is administered), you´ll follow all of those steps, but instead of stretching your skin taught, you´ll be pulling the skin away from your body and inserting the needle at a 45 degree angle into the "pocket" of space between your skin and muscle.

ok will do, thanks for your patience

[T-MOS]

yes, HGH is different from steroids, and HGH does get injected Sub Q

[jbm]

welcome

[Pocketbattleship2B]

Welcome.Listen to T-MOS and do A LOT of reading before taking anything.I spent months reading the posts here and I am still reading new things I didn't know every day.Good luck.

[xavier_888888]

welcome bro.

[Zykomaniac]

Well, Thanks alot T-mos!
I also made som talking with a doctor.

He has actually treated people with steroids using SUB-Q even oil and water based even though in small dosages as because they were for medical reasons.


Also I searched the nett for other topics about people that use steroids Sub-Q and reported success, just slower absorbtion, but still getting a very decent effect. Which actually is logically, and oil based was shown to work good aswell for them.
I also asked the guys I train with, and one of them is also swearing to Sub-Q, and he has done 5 cycles now, 3 of them Sub-Q.
Well to notice, alot smaller dosage of steroids is used in Sub-Q at one injection point!
Just thought I would share this info!

[49yrsyoung]

welcome !

[T-MOS]

Well, Thanks alot T-mos!
I also made som talking with a doctor.

He has actually treated people with steroids using SUB-Q even oil and water based even though in small dosages as because they were for medical reasons.


Also I searched the nett for other topics about people that use steroids Sub-Q and reported success, just slower absorbtion, but still getting a very decent effect. Which actually is logically, and oil based was shown to work good aswell for them.
I also asked the guys I train with, and one of them is also swearing to Sub-Q, and he has done 5 cycles now, 3 of them Sub-Q.
Well to notice, alot smaller dosage of steroids is used in Sub-Q at one injection point!
Just thought I would share this info!

Hmmmm I didn't say it was impossible, just NOT optimal
have fun pushing that oil through a tiny slin needle !!!

[PIGPEN8181]

welcome