my brother is starting a cycle with about 26/28% BF

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

id say hes about 6"0 and 300 pounds... I tried pretty hard to convince him otherwise, but him and a friend of his started a cycle yesterday... his friend is prob 24%ish. they wanted to do 750 of test e and 600 of deca, I at least talked them down to 600 for the test by explaining how they're already at high risk for sides because of high BF and adding the high test dose pretty much calls for disaster.

they started the test without the deca b/c they don't have it yet, I said to wait till they had EVERYTHING including pct but again they didn't listen... they plan on a 16 week cycle amd running the deca about 12 weeks, i made sure theyre stopping the deca 2 weeks before the test.

they have both cycled before, don't know the exacts but my brother had done 5/6 cycles and has done test, eq, tren, and always only clomid for pct, and his friend has done test, eq, and deca and never a pct. I doubt either will get caber or bromo for the deca... i know there's only so much you can do for
people that refuse to listen to the right way of going about things, but what
can I do? I want to help them out as much as I can. they're BF% and lack of knowledge or giving a shit about possibilities of sides is what scares me.. how else can I help? btw they're both 24

[SnaX]

Well, you know your bro is be irresponsible. I don't know why he's running a cycle if he is that heavy.
It's a shame he doesn't listen. I want to give advice, but at that weight I don't know what will come of this.

Does he know the different between test Prop and test E? If not, switch his Test with prop, and let 'em suffer. lol jk.
I'm making a joke because I don't know what to say.

Just be sure to get him on a DIET. At 300 lbs and running a cycle..

I can understand you to be worried about his health. I would be too!
You're a good brother to be concerned, so do everything you can to get him on a proper diet and get his weight down.

I know some people that used to be heavy. And a lot of people don't like cardio, but being that I cared, I would do cardio with them, even though I did cardio before my workout. You know, just chat them up while we both either bike or jog. It helps get it done.

Good luck to you guys bro!

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Well, you know your bro is be irresponsible. I don't know why he's running a cycle if he is that heavy.
It's a shame he doesn't listen. I want to give advice, but at that weight I don't know what will come of this.

Does he know the different between test Prop and test E? If not, switch his Test with prop, and let 'em suffer. lol jk.
I'm making a joke because I don't know what to say.

Just be sure to get him on a DIET. At 300 lbs and running a cycle..

I can understand you to be worried about his health. I would be too!
You're a good brother to be concerned, so do everything you can to get him on a proper diet and get his weight down.

I know some people that used to be heavy. And a lot of people don't like
cardio, but being that I cared, I would do cardio with them, even though I did
cardio before my workout. You know, just chat them up while we both either
bike or jog. It helps get it done.

Good luck to you guys bro!

he's done both test e and p lol so can't mess with him... but were on diff schedules so I can't push him to do cardio and I know he doesn't do any... he never used to be THIS big although he's never been below 17/18% he was takin T3 before the cycle but because of his shitty diet he didn't lose anything.

i know most ppl wont have many suggestions, but I care a lot about what happens to him and with my growing knowledge on the subject I feel obligated to help out in any way I can... I need to do SOMETHING

[*RAGE*]

he's done both test e and p lol so can't mess with him... but were on diff schedules so I can't push him to do cardio and I know he doesn't do any... he never used to be THIS big although he's never been below 17/18% he was takin T3 before the cycle but because of his shitty diet he didn't lose anything.

i know most ppl wont have many suggestions, but I care a lot about what happens to him and with my growing knowledge on the subject I feel obligated to help out in any way I can... I need to do SOMETHING

Get pictures of bitch tit, and show them to him. He is going to do it anyway so be there for him with an AI, and check his blood presser everyday. Also learn CPR and get a defibrillator.

Or just hook him up to the car battery and everytime he talks about the gear turn the car on....that might help....

[8iron]

well u tried..........some people have shit set in there minds and nothing you can say or do will change thier minds.....if they are not going to have caber or bromo on hand at least have them take 400-600mgs of b6 a day that will help a little only if their deca gets there....

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

car battery might work lol it'd prob do less damage to his body them what he's doing already...

b6 isn't a bad idea though, i'll try to run that past him

[The Deuce]

Well... Best of Luck to him. He probably wont die as long as he can keep a GREAT DIET and CARDIO's for an hour per day... and doesn't eat a lot of sodium and does a whole lot of things... that he obviously will not do because he has no dedication... hence the reason he is 300lbs. Only you can let yourself get that BIG... If you eat right.. and not FAST FOOD and MICROWAVE meals... then you don't become 300lbs... 26-28% BF... When I was at my fattest... 303lbs... 37-38% BF I felt like I was just GROSS !!... BUT BEFORE I EVEN CONSIDER AAS ... I hit the gym daily.. and did everything naturally until I got to 225lbs.. 23% BF Which I thought at that point I was still too FAT to cycle... but I did it anyways... I obviously didnt DIE. But I think it honestly had something to do with why my BP was so HIGH and why the DOC had to put me on a BP med at the age of 25... I was running 183/112 (Hypotension like a motherfvcker)

Now that I am back in the best shape of my life almost... 225lbs. 16% BF I still feel FAT... I still feel like I am out of shape... even though I am not.

Your brother really needs to figure himself out before he hurts himself. And I say this because... I was there once... I know what its like to be FAT AND OVERWEIGHT and wanting to do whatever possible to make myself NOT FAT anymore... so I am surprised I didnt do what he is going to/or is already doing. He could seriously hurt himself dood. He needs to understand that... I feel sorry for you and him. I dont want to see anything bad happen to anyone. And it is very likely he could suffer a long term effect from doing this... especially if he doesnt keep a GREAT diet and his training in check and have his BP monitored.... So many things could go wrong... OR NOTHING AT ALL COULD HAPPEN... It's one of those things ya never know. I hope for his sake that thye source he went through sold him bunk stuff... Like just sterile cottonseed oil and then therefore he thinks he is ON when in all reality IT IS JUST A PLACEBO... That could be the best thing to happen to him at this point.

IMHFO !!!

[Phate]

id say hes about 6"0 and 300 pounds... I tried pretty hard to convince him otherwise, but him and a friend of his started a cycle yesterday... his friend is prob 24%ish. they wanted to do 750 of test e and 600 of deca, I at least talked them down to 600 for the test by explaining how they're already at high risk for sides because of high BF and adding the high test dose pretty much calls for disaster.

they started the test without the deca b/c they don't have it yet, I said to wait till they had EVERYTHING including pct but again they didn't listen... they plan on a 16 week cycle amd running the deca about 12 weeks, i made sure theyre stopping the deca 2 weeks before the test.

they have both cycled before, don't know the exacts but my brother had done 5/6 cycles and has done test, eq, tren, and always only clomid for pct, and his friend has done test, eq, and deca and never a pct. I doubt either will get caber or bromo for the deca... i know there's only so much you can do for
people that refuse to listen to the right way of going about things, but what
can I do? I want to help them out as much as I can. they're BF% and lack of knowledge or giving a shit about possibilities of sides is what scares me.. how else can I help? btw they're both 24

1. have them get aromasin to help with estro sides during the cycle
2. have them come on here and post a diet for critique so i can show them how fvcked up there's probably is
3. make sure they read some stuff on proper pct

or you could throw swap there gear for filtered oil so they are just injecting sterile oil with no hormone

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Well... Best of Luck to him. He probably wont die as long as he can keep a GREAT DIET and CARDIO's for an hour per day... and doesn't eat a lot of sodium and does a whole lot of things... that he obviously will not do because he has no dedication... hence the reason he is 300lbs. Only you can let yourself get that BIG... If you eat right.. and not FAST FOOD and MICROWAVE meals... then you don't become 300lbs... 26-28% BF... When I was at my fattest... 303lbs... 37-38% BF I felt like I was just GROSS !!... BUT BEFORE I EVEN CONSIDER AAS ... I hit the gym daily.. and did everything naturally until I got to 225lbs.. 23% BF Which I thought at that point I was still too FAT to cycle... but I did it anyways... I obviously didnt DIE. But I think it honestly had something to do with why my BP was so HIGH and why the DOC had to put me on a BP med at the age of 25... I was running 183/112 (Hypotension like a motherfvcker)

Now that I am back in the best shape of my life almost... 225lbs. 16% BF I still feel FAT... I still feel like I am out of shape... even though I am not.

Your brother really needs to figure himself out before he hurts himself. And I say this because... I was there once... I know what its like to be FAT AND OVERWEIGHT and wanting to do whatever possible to make myself NOT FAT anymore... so I am surprised I didnt do what he is going to/or is already doing. He could seriously hurt himself dood. He needs to understand that... I feel sorry for you and him. I dont want to see anything bad happen to anyone. And it is very likely he could suffer a long term effect from doing this... especially if he doesnt keep a GREAT diet and his training in check and have his BP monitored.... So many things could go wrong... OR NOTHING AT ALL
COULD HAPPEN... It's one of those things ya never know. I hope for his sake that thye source he went through sold him bunk stuff... Like just sterile cottonseed oil and then therefore he thinks he is ON when in all reality IT IS JUST A PLACEBO... That could be the best thing to happen to him at this point.

IMHFO !!!

unfortunatly I know the shits not bunk.. well at least i know its the same UGL I'm using so unless I got a good batch of cyp and he has bad enth and deca, but not too likely. the thing is though, he's been like this for so long and he thinks it's acceptable and he's fine and invincible to bad side effects from being overweight and from using. granted he's prob a hell of a lot stronger than me and has a ton of muscle under that 300, but I'm starting to think no matter what I say, no one will ever see it. I think he doesn't take me too seriously because I'm younger than him by a year so you know how that whole I'm older I know more than you mindset goes..

[D7M]

this is serious.

the best course of action is to confiscate the gear and send it to me.

thus, helping your brother's health and aiding me

[jfalco]

Start calling him bitch tits, and poking his belly like the dough boy everytime you see him. My older brother was a cruel sob when he thought I was doing something I shouldn't. Didn't work, but he seemed to enjoy it.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

phate I'll try to get his diet but idk how good that'll go... and I'm gonna try to get him on an AI what about arimidex instead of aromasin?

derek7 sorry but if it were that easy, I'd take it from him and use it, but I'd probably be dead before I got out of his room with it

jfalco, although poking his stomach and calling him bitch tits sounds like it could be enjoyable, I don't think he'd find the same amusement out of that I would, and considering his size I think im a little better off staying away from that idea lol

[Phate]

adex would work fine, thought it screws with nolva, but i don't think he'll be running that on cycle

should be fine

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

adex would work fine, thought it screws with nolva, but i don't think he'll be running that on cycle

should be fine

ok cool only because I have some that I had on hand for my cycle but didn't need it so maybe I'll be nice and give it to him. only thing is I'm not even done with my cycle.. I'm 9 weeks in and haven't used it yet, eh I dunno, money down the drain is never a good thing, but I know he won't buy it so I guess it's the only way

[transformer]

I know you are worried but, he will probably be fine. When I was dumb I once cycled at 330 and 34% which was even higher than your brother. I had my blood pressure done regularly and was always fine. You might want to have him go donate blood though because it can increase his cholesterol and they will tell you what his is. My cholesterol never went up but it does with some people. I actually put on 10 pounds of muscle on that cycle.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

I know you are worried but, he will probably be fine. When I was dumb I once cycled at 330 and 34% which was even higher than your brother. I had my blood pressure done regularly and was always fine. You might want to have him go donate blood tough because it can increase his cholesterol and they will tell you what his is. My cholesterol never went up but it does with some people. I actually put on 10 pounds of muscle on that cycle.

slightly comforting lol but I'm not too convinced.. I really wish he'd drop the BF. I dunno, mayb nothing will happen. I just sense it though, I can't help but think I should intervene somehow, but there's honestly nothing I can do. I've tried so hard. and it's not only that I'm worried about him, I want to see him suceed. the only thing he's dedicated in is lifting, if he'd just learn there's more too it than that, well, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now

[Lightsout2184]

Get pictures of bitch tit, and show them to him. He is going to do it anyway so be there for him with an AI, and check his blood presser everyday. Also learn CPR and get a defibrillator.

Or just hook him up to the car battery and everytime he talks about the gear turn the car on....that might help....

i think every 300 pound guy with that high of body fat percentage already has bitch tits. lol

[jfalco]

jfalco, although poking his stomach and calling him bitch tits sounds like it could be enjoyable, I don't think he'd find the same amusement out of that I would, and considering his size I think im a little better off staying away from that idea lol

With his mind set vs. yours, he won't be bigger than you for long. And as fat as he is, I bet he aint that quick. you could probably get away from him.

[eatrainrest]

diet/workout forum for him

[Lightsout2184]

hunter he probably saw how u are tearing it up on ur currently cycle and he had to jump on

[doctorclaus]

that has to be a joke

[c-Z]

Best of luck to them both..... Tell them what they need to know. Run an AI and pct........

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

hunter he probably saw how u are tearing it up on ur currently cycle and he had to jump on

this could be true haha

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

that has to be a joke

what has to be a joke?

and Chevrolet i did tell them that already, i think im getting through to them on that part (somewhat) but its the NOT CYCLING WITH INSANE BF% thats the biggest thing here lol... but i still havent totally convinced them to get an AI...

[*RAGE*]

i think every 300 pound guy with that high of body fat percentage already has bitch tits. lol

Yea you might be right, where is big truck when you need him........

[c-Z]

See the problem is... People see others with amazing results.... But most start with lower bf %. And to many people think steroids are the magic drug..... In a couple months people think they will look like fricking body builders.... Which obviously... Isnt what steroids are about. And they obviously don't work that way...... You can't hold a gun to their head and say don't take them...... But you can try to make them take them in proper dosage and ways they are supposed to be taken so it's a little more safer..... Not that 300 lbs and a high bf % is really recommended..... But.... That's up to them. Just make sure they aren't taking injecting to much. An AI is being ran. As well as PCT is being ran at the proper time.

I'm sure you have done all the talking you could.... If they want to harm their bodies and run the risk of some nasty side affects. Then that is up to them.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

See the problem is... People see others with amazing results.... But most start with lower bf %. And to many people think steroids are the magic drug..... In a couple months people think they will look like fricking body builders.... Which obviously... Isnt what steroids are about. And they obviously don't work that way...... You can't hold a gun to their head and say don't take them...... But you can try to make them take them in proper dosage and ways they are supposed to be taken so it's a little more safer..... Not that 300 lbs and a high bf % is really recommended..... But.... That's up to them. Just make sure they aren't taking injecting to much. An AI is being ran. As well as PCT is being ran at the proper time.

I'm sure you have done all the talking you could.... If they want to harm their bodies and run the risk of some nasty side affects. Then that is up to them.

yea, i guess that about sums it up. theres really not much more i can say, i think im gonna end up giving my bro my arimidex so he'll at least be SAFER then he is now. as for his friend, well i hope he wises up, but who knows, were talking about someone who has NEVER run a PCT