show prep cutting cycle

[matt9]

I am 8 weeks out from a bb show and am thinking about running a cutting cycle. I had test-e and winni in mind or maybe just test-e by itself. It would be my first cycle.

heres what I've come up with: test-e 400-500 mg a week for 10 weeks straight through the show "8 weeks"

start winni maybe a week or two into cycle and run through the ten weeks which would be weeks 2 or 3 - week 10 at 50 mg a day.

pct: starting 2 weeks after last test injection run nolva at 40, 20,20,20
clomid: 100, 50, 50, 50

hows it look?

[matt9]

anything guys?

[chuckt12345]

dont use test e,, go with prop

[matt9]

what mg's and isnt that done eod?
Is the pct good enough?
If I can get adex on hand I'll have that also just in case but may not be able to obtain that.

[D7M]

is this your first show?

age?
height?
weight?
bf?

[matt9]

23
5'11"
195
12%

yes first show but ive trained for years and done numerous prohormone cycles

[D7M]

I'd go with prop, too.

winny dose is low (50mg/day). you'd prob be better off with 75mg day run a shorter duration.

pct is fine.

good luck.

[Phate]

I'd go with prop, too.

winny dose is low (50mg/day). you'd prob be better off with 75mg day run a shorter duration.

pct is fine.

good luck.

i agree, a shorter ester would work better, less water retention and quicker kick in time, winny will help "dry' you out as well

are you going to be tested?

is this a natural competition?

[matt9]

no... no tests.. I'd be SOL if it was
so what should the cycle look like preferably?
When should the winni be started and stopped and so fourth and when should pct begin?
thanks

[Phate]

no... no tests.. I'd be SOL if it was
so what should the cycle look like preferably?
When should the winni be started and stopped and so fourth and when should pct begin?
thanks

i see research in your future, lol

go research prop cycles, most have winny in them anyway and then post one with a pct for critique

[oneshot]

you seem to be a little behind on your condition at 12% bf 8 weeks out from showtime. like everyone else said, swap out the test e for prop and winny asap. the same pct you proposed should suffice. i suggest upping the cardio and tossing in some clen and t3 if your not on it already to try and catch up.

[matt9]

ok... 8 week prop cycle

weeks 1-8: test prop 400 mg (100 mg eod)
weeks 2-8: winni 60-80 mg every day (oral)

pct: starting 3 days after last injection..
clomid: 100, 50, 50, 50
nolva: 40, 20, 20, 20

critique away!!

[matt9]

well... ive been down to 5% bf before so it should come off relatively fast. I can drop weight fast. But this is why I want to run a cycle... to help me get there quicker.

[oneshot]

ok... 8 week prop cycle

weeks 1-8: test prop 400 mg (100 mg eod)
weeks 2-8: winni 60-80 mg every day (oral)

pct: starting 3 days after last injection..
clomid: 100, 50, 50, 50
nolva: 40, 20, 20, 20

critique away!!

not too shabby but definitely add in some clen/t3 and up the cardio to help melt away the fat. 12% is NOT good for 8 weeks out

[oneshot]

well... ive been down to 5% bf before so it should come off relatively fast. I can drop weight fast. But this is why I want to run a cycle... to help me get there quicker.

keep in mind that you will hold on to more muscle doing a slower cut rather than faster one. also, steroids DO NOT burn fat, diet and cardio do

[matt9]

like i said... i drop weight fast and my metabolism is high.
could i run this cycle without the winni and get good results using clen or another fat burner?

[matt9]

well... if im on something , wont i hold on to the muscle anyways?

[matt9]

another thing... I plan on using 25 g needles for injecting.. 1" for thighs, and 1/2 " for delts. Do I need a larger needle for drawing the solution. I dont know yet if I'll have vials or amps so...

[oneshot]

like i said... i drop weight fast and my metabolism is high.
could i run this cycle without the winni and get good results using clen or another fat burner?

you dont need the winny but it will make you look much harder and dryer. clen is gonna be your best bet as far as a fat burner goes. i dont care how fast your think your metabolism is, 12% at 8 weeks out is way behind. you may be good at shedding weight fast, but shedding 7-8% fat in 8 weeks is VERY hard to do, especially if holding onto muscle is a concern

[matt9]

I agree its gonna be hard but I'm going to try. I'll never know if I dont try right?

[oneshot]

another thing... I plan on using 25 g needles for injecting.. 1" for thighs, and 1/2 " for delts. Do I need a larger needle for drawing the solution. I dont know yet if I'll have vials or amps so...

yes you will probably need larger pins to draw with. 21 ga or larger should work

[chuckt12345]

id bump up to 125 or 150 eod

[matt9]

so 23 or 25g would be out of the question for drawing or can you make it work?

[chuckt12345]

i use 23 1" for everything

[oneshot]

I agree its gonna be hard but I'm going to try. I'll never know if I dont try right?

not trying to make you feel disheartened, but you WILL lose muscle if you try to shed that much that fast.

[matt9]

at 100mg eod that is 400mg per week but 500mg a week would work better i assume. Just trying to take it easy for the first cycle

[oneshot]

so 23 or 25g would be out of the question for drawing or can you make it work?

depends on how thick the oil is. it may work but might take a couple minutes to draw it all up.

[matt9]

you mean 23g 1" for drawing and injecting. Quads, delts, ass?

[oneshot]

at 100mg eod that is 400mg per week but 500mg a week would work better i assume. Just trying to take it easy for the first cycle

100 mg eod = 350 ew

have you considered any letro or adex for estrogen control?

[chuckt12345]

yea 100m eod is 350,, and i use 23 for everything,, drawing shooting etc,, i dont shoot delts though.

[matt9]

ive considered but dont know if i can get adex yet.

mon. 100mg Wed. 100 Fri. 100 Sun. 100
that equals 400 right

[matt9]

i see what you're saying .. the sun. injection counts as a half of the amount right cause it wont reach peak levels til monday
right?

[SilverTest]

look bro , i am into that right now , but for the summer not for competition , you pct is fine first of all .

here what i would do , depending on how you react to exogenous test , for example if you hold water or not , if it make you gain fat or not , i would base my test dose on that , i personally do not have problems at all with bloat or fat gain with test no matter what the dose i tend to loose fat , so i am using 500 mg of test e per week , if you hold water on it , go with 250 mg per week of test e with an AI for example.

loose as much fat as you can BEFORE adding the winny , i would actually add it when i get to a single digit bodyfat for about 4-6 weeks at 50 mg/day which is a good dose IMHO .

if you need to loose fat fast , do on and off t3/clen mini cycles within your whole cycle to the end to get bodyfat down fast , so for example you can :

250-500 mg of test e per week (or prop if you prefer it doens't make any difference with me personally) for 8 weeks , you will probably be better off with prop cs you only have 8 weeks.
alternating clen +t3 mini cycles with ECA on off weeks of clen and t3.
the last 4 weeks do 50 mg /day of winstrol , throw some proviron in there too at 50 mg/day.

i gave a general guideline , in the end it depends on your own choice , time , genetics ... its up to you to experiment what works best for your body .

N.B : it is not very wise to do your first ever cycle for a competition bro , why dont you just go into it natural this time , and bulk up with a cycle to know your body and familiarize yourself with everything , then in your next contest you will have a better starting point.

hope this helps bro.

[chuckt12345]

well you have to count 2 weeks worth and then do math,, your gonna have 4 shots one week 3 the next

[laduem88]

id bump up to 125 or 150 eod

its his first cycle so 100mg eod would be perfect..thats what i did for my first cycle and gained a little over 20 pounds

[matt9]

what happend to phate...? lol Hes supposed to critique