Important question about deca

[Bigpete757]

I did a deca/d bol cycle about six years ago and are afraid that it is related to recent problems with test that I have been having. During the past few years and mostly just in the past few months, I was having terrible side effects of low test and recently just got a blood test done confirming that I do indeed have low test. I know that deca really shuts down your natural test production, but do you think that it could have kept my natural levels low for all these years after taking it or should of my natural levels returned to a normal level once I was done with cycle. I feel that my natural levels of test were decreased and never really returned to normal based on how I felt and side effects I was going through. However, I cannot find too much research on this subject, hence me asking the question. I did also take a few test precursors like you would buy at gnc while growing up but not for long periods of time. Maybe 3 or 4 months then I would stop for awhile. I am about to be 26 years old and are happy I figured out what was wrong, but are disappointed that what I took years ago may have been negatively affecting me for years and made life more difficult. I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation because it really means alot to maybe find out why I would have low test at 25 years old. Also, if anyone could point me in the right direction of links with information or people who know alot about this subject that would great. Thank you.

[busaboy27]

you were 19/20 years old when u did that deca only cycle?

[Bigpete757]

yes, probably 20-21, I have been doing some more research about it and it seems like some people experience really bad side effects from deca only cycles such as low test last a while (a year or so and some last alot longer than that). I am just trying to find out if I might fall into that category since I only took one cycle/bottle of 10ml. I think I am going to post this question in the PCT forum as well.

[Reed]

I did a deca/d bol cycle about six years ago and are afraid that it is related to recent problems with test that I have been having. During the past few years and mostly just in the past few months, I was having terrible side effects of low test and recently just got a blood test done confirming that I do indeed have low test. I know that deca really shuts down your natural test production, but do you think that it could have kept my natural levels low for all these years after taking it or should of my natural levels returned to a normal level once I was done with cycle. I feel that my natural levels of test were decreased and never really returned to normal based on how I felt and side effects I was going through. However, I cannot find too much research on this subject, hence me asking the question. I did also take a few test precursors like you would buy at gnc while growing up but not for long periods of time. Maybe 3 or 4 months then I would stop for awhile. I am about to be 26 years old and are happy I figured out what was wrong, but are disappointed that what I took years ago may have been negatively affecting me for years and made life more difficult. I would appreciate anyone's input on my situation because it really means alot to maybe find out why I would have low test at 25 years old. Also, if anyone could point me in the right direction of links with information or people who know alot about this subject that would great. Thank you.

You may have been shutting yourself down with those products regardless of what they say on the package. Most that work are actual steroids or convert to one in the body which will shut your natty test down. You do this numerous times, being young and with no PCT I bet you do have low test at 26

Sounds like you really fukked up here due to lack of knowledge without getting your priorities straight. Was all the supplements and drugs worth it and did you get the results desired???


The best bet would be to see a endo doc or your family doc and run some blood work. Then they should be able to help you

[Bigpete757]

You may have been shutting yourself down with those products regardless of what they say on the package. Most that work are actual steroids or convert to one in the body which will shut your natty test down. You do this numerous times, being young and with no PCT I bet you do have low test at 26

Sounds like you really fukked up here due to lack of knowledge without getting your priorities straight. Was all the supplements and drugs worth it and did you get the results desired???


The best bet would be to see a endo doc or your family doc and run some blood work. Then they should be able to help you

Thanks for the response, but you could have left out the negative comments. Obviously, the supplements and deca cycle wasn't worth it based on what I said in my post. In heinsight I would have done things different, but I am focusing on what I can do now to help my situation. Also, I mentioned in the post that I just had a blood test done confirming low test.

[RA]

I can tell your test is low...j/k

What did the doc recommend?

Thanks for the response, but you could have left out the negative comments. Obviously, the supplements and deca cycle wasn't worth it based on what I said in my post. In heinsight I would have done things different, but I am focusing on what I can do now to help my situation. Also, I mentioned in the post that I just had a blood test done confirming low test.

[Reed]

Well the doc never prescribed anything to help you out? He never indicated a solution to your problem. Androgel??? anything.

Go to a endo doc to see what they can help you out with. I'm not thinking you want to be sticking yourself with a needle for the rest of your life.

Just had to check to see if you had got the results desire by using these drugs. Cause if you had not then like I said training and dieting priorities were probably not together.

[Spartan ^]

Thanks for the response, but you could have left out the negative comments. Obviously, the supplements and deca cycle wasn't worth it based on what I said in my post. In heinsight I would have done things different, but I am focusing on what I can do now to help my situation. Also, I mentioned in the post that I just had a blood test done confirming low test.

I think the comments are well deserved. People like you are the reason AAS gets a bad wrap now! The more responsible users here will agree that your actions make it look bad for the rest of us who do it right and dont fuk up our bodies natural rythum. I am really sorry that this happened to you but this is the sole reason we tell people not to use AAS until you are at least 24 years old. Plus run a proper PCT. This is the risk you run. I want you to look back and in hindsight, are the results you got worth having to be on HRT now and for the rest of your life? I know you said you would change it now but I still dont think you know all of the ramifications of you r actions. since you do have confirmed low test, the only option you have is HRT. Unless you like having low test....

[chuckt12345]

I think the comments are well deserved. People like you are the reason AAS gets a bad wrap now! The more responsible users here will agree that your actions make it look bad for the rest of us who do it right and dont fuk up our bodies natural rythum. I am really sorry that this happened to you but this is the sole reason we tell people not to use AAS until you are at least 24 years old. Plus run a proper PCT. This is the risk you run. I want you to look back and in hindsight, are the results you got worth having to be on HRT now and for the rest of your life? I know you said you would change it now but I still dont think you know all of the ramifications of you r actions. since you do have confirmed low test, the only option you have is HRT. Unless you like having low test....

Well deserved? Theres no point to reharsh on what he did in the past. 80% of users dont know what the fk they were doin when they started, give the dude a break, hes here to get help not a lecture from his mom.
and HRT is not his only option

[Spartan ^]

Well deserved? Theres no point to reharsh on what he did in the past. 80% of users dont know what the fk they were doin when they started, give the dude a break, hes here to get help not a lecture from his mom.
and HRT is not his only option

Like I said, i hate it for the guy but HE did it to himself by not being educated. Yes Chuck you are righ that most people dont do the research, but who's fault is that? I do think he should get some flack for this. maybe he'll give good advice from his mistakes. And look bro, i aint tryin to be anyones fukin mom, just callin it like I see it. So basically, I stand by my statements.

So the guy has low test, confirmed, by a doc. Why dont you tell me what other options he has? Notice I didnt say Total Raplacement Therapy, i said Hormone replacemnt therapy. Not to question your knowledge but do you have actual experience with HRT? I do, so I can speak from personal experience.

[chuckt12345]

man i just like to stick up for newbies,, especially since he just asking for advice. Honestly out of my firends i dont know any who went to juice forums to understand them before taking them, i know i sure didnt. Anyways im not bitchhn you out personally spartan im just stickin up for the guy because hes not askin to do another cycle he just wants help.
I was prescribed androderm b4 but no longer take it,, i beleive a endo doctor would have several therapy's to help natural productioin. Clomid therapy for one is prb the most common prescribed b4 anyone starts HRT.

[Spartan ^]

man i just like to stick up for newbies,, especially since he just asking for advice. Honestly out of my firends i dont know any who went to juice forums to understand them before taking them, i know i sure didnt. Anyways im not bitchhn you out personally spartan im just stickin up for the guy because hes not askin to do another cycle he just wants help.
I was prescribed androderm b4 but no longer take it,, i beleive a endo doctor would have several therapy's to help natural productioin. Clomid therapy for one is prb the most common prescribed b4 anyone starts HRT.

Yeah, sorry bro. Guess my test kicked me into overdrive for a bit. Guess we were all newbs once. I know my endo doc went straight to prescribing hormones. No other options even though I asked.

[Bigpete757]

I really appreciate the responses as I am learning more and more about this issue. I know that I really screwed up awhile ago and are not trying to blame anyone for my mistake. PLEASE do not tell me how stupid I was to do what I did because I realize this and I cannot go back in time and change what happened. I came on to this forum for advice and suggestions that would help my situation. This is serious situation for me and I am trying to figure out what my best options are so I can lead a normal life. After confirmed low test results, my doc prescribed androgel or compounded test cream. I chose the cream due to financial reasons. I will be using this until my test levels hopefully get back to normal. I am not sure if it will help with all the negative symtoms I was experiencing, but are confident it will be good for some.

As I research more and more about negative side effects of deca and especially deca only cycles, I am very concerned. I have read a few horror stories of it affecting people permanently and I hope that will not happen to me. I only did one 10ml bottle so I didn't think I would have too many side effects while I was on it, much less six years after I was done, but I have to deal with it. What would you suggest I do to help my situation. I didn't tell the doc about taking deca, but think I might. Would this be smart and are there docs that have alot of knowledge about helping people with steriod issues. I know there is an endo specialist, but is there someone else? I having been going through a rough period in my life due to this problem and are happy that I figured out what was wrong, but now I need to try and fix it the best I can so I live a normal life and have healthy hormone levels in my body.

Hopefully I will not have to use test cream or anything else for the rest of my life. Its crazy to think that one little bottle could cause all of these problems but it has happended to me. And there is alot of problems related to low test besides decreased sex drive. Once again, I would be very grateful if anyone can offer suggestions and advice of what options I have and maybe useful information I should look at. Thank you.

[Bigpete757]

In regards to my situation, I think I am going to ask the doc for some kind of restart protocol. Basically my situation is that I took the deca/dbol six years ago, never did pct and my natural test along with alot of other hormonal/other levels in my body have been messed up since then and just recently starting really getting bad. I also had problems with excessive masturbation and drug usuage which I feel made this problem worse. I understand the logic of not wanting to suppress my natural test any further by starting trt and using the test cream. I actually feel worse than I did after taking the test cream for this whole week and than I was before. I have less energy and my balls hurt and they seem to be shrinking. I think these are sides from the test cream.

I have two general questions for you. What exactly would you recommend I take for my restart protocol assuming my doc feels the same way you and I do and what are my long term options if pct/restart doesn't work. For the first one, I have seen some peope use hcg, nolva, clomid, arimedex, and someone mentioned Hmg. Are there any that I am missing and about what would be the average doses for whatever you recommend. And the point of the this pct I am assuming is to get my natural test levels to rise and kickstart my signaling systems so I can function without exodengous test (test cream). Also, what if the restart does work and my test levels are up and I feel better, but then shortly after coming off the pct, I feel bad again and the test levels drops. Should I try and longer pct after this and then see or would I have to go to test. I have seen people trying to restart a few times. I definetly do not want to have to be on trt the rest of my life and deal with that so I am trying to do everything possible (make smart decisons now) to avoid that. And also say the restart or restarts don't work, is it possible to go on the test cream for say a year or so and then come off of it and try the pct again. I have read positive reviews about people who have taken steriods and then were able to successfully restart their natural test production after doing pct and been able to maintain a decent (livable) level of natural test for I am assuming the rest of their lives. I know my situation is a little different because I waited about five years, but I think as you pointed out still need it and it would be the best way to go about this.

The other thing is that I am overall in bad shape mentally and physically. I am 6'0/300 pounds and while I do have alot of muscle I def. have alot of fat. And I am struggling with all the other sides of low test which is making life very difficult. I thought that taking this test cream would be an answer for my solutions right now but as I research it seems like some people have to take it the rest of their life and that would be hard for me to do at 25 years old. What I am trying to say here is would it be smart for me to take the test cream for say six months or so to see if I can lose the weight and maybe focus more in life or will this actually hurt me in the long run. I have read a post of someone who was in same position as me due to propecia or something similar and the other forum members were telling him that if he started to the trt for say six months and then went on pct, it would be harder to raise his natural test levels. This makes sense. I would just like to see some kind of improvement in my quality of life, however I struggled with this for awhile so a few more months or even years to figure out what's the best way to treat is worth it too me. Also, I am not sure he checked for adrenal issues, I know he tested thyroid which was good, but other metabolic processes might be off as well as adrenal so I will mention that too him. Sorry for the long post, but I have read so many stories of people struggling in their life and the turning it around with various methods of treatment and I am hoping that will me as well. I am not usually not the person to ask someone else for help, but as you know this is very difficult to live with and is the hardest thing I have ever been through in my life and is something that I know little about. I look forward to posting more in the future to keep you updated with my situation and for us to have a good internet friendship, lol. If there is anything else you could think of that might help or test or check, please don't hesitate to mention it. Thank you for helping me and the hundreds of others on the forum.

[WARMachine]

Alright bud. I read most of your posts.

I think the best course of action for you would be to try to get your HPTA functioning again with the help of a PCT and hCG use.

If that doesnt work, which to be completely honest with you, it probably wont, you might just have to accept the fact that you might have to be on TRT for the rest of your life. Honestly, its not that bad bro. It doesnt mean you wont live a normal life, it just means youll need the help of some synthetic hormones to do the things your body can no longer do.

[lovbyts]

I am 6'0/300 pounds.

That can be a factor right there. Before worrying to much about anthing else get back in shape and that alone will help you feel better physically and mentally.

Yeah you made some BAD choices just like a LOT of the newbies 17-25 yr olds who come in here already knowing everything there is to know and of course not listening to anyone who try's to tell them to wait.
I hope you can find a good doc to help and dont forget to come back to update your thread to let us know how it's going. That's the problem, MOST people dont bother to give results.