My first cycle. Two cycles to decide from help me decide

[The_machine]

Hey everyone im new to the forums. Didnt have any steroid knowledge before becoming a member here. My first post like many newbies was about winstrol LOL. Since then ive been researching every second i get. Now i have a very small basic understanding of steroids.Sorry its long but here is all my info so you guys dont waste time. Now on to the point.

The cycle that i want to take is a Test cycle since its my first and ive read that your first cycle should be test alone. Now my problem is in the small time ive been researching on test ive come to understand that the two best basic tests are ENAN and CYP. But i dont know which one will benefit me the most in size and cutting. Ive read that test helps in fat loss i know not as much as other steorids design for cutting but it helps.

my stats

21 years old
5'9
178
15.5 BF%
weight training experience about 10 months but learn quick have dropped about 7 percent body fat since i started 10 months ago to date and this has been with no real diet just watching what i eat but like they say cheating everyday LOL.

My new diet as of 5/4/09

I will tweak it once i go into the cycle with 2 grams of protein per lbs of body and maybe take just a bit higher of carb intake.

1st meal 9 am

protein carbs
9 whites 1 egg 35gmp
1/2 oatmeal 4gmp 30gmc
sandwich thins multigrain 4gmp 22gmc
(burger bun look alike for sadwhich)

workout : after workout take supplements and eat or drink simple carbs just to replenish glucose in muscles

2nd meal 11:30 am

8 oz fish 48gmp 2gmc
fibers salad

3rd meal 2 pm

8 oz chicken breast 48gmp
1/2 brown rice 22gmc
2oz potatoes 10gmc

workout after workout take supplements and eat or drink simple carbs just to replenish glucose in muscles


4th meal 4:30 pm

lean steak 7 oz 45.5 gmp
3 oz potatoes 15gmc

5th meal 7 pm

lean pork 6 oz 45gmp
fiber salad

6th meal 9:30 pm

turkey breast 48gmp
fiber salads



How im planning to run my cycle

1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 Clomid 100mg ED

OR

1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 Clomid 100mg ED

PCT

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva

Got this directly from this thread
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

Now here r my questions

1)Which of the two test is best for gaining size and loosing BF?

2)Instead of running l-dex with nolva can i run nolva with clomid during the cycle?

3)And in my PCT can i just run Nolva with Clomid to make things more simple?

Let me know what you guys think thanks in advance

[chuckt12345]

whooo,, why the hell you runnin clomid in your cycle. 10mg of nolva is fine if you scared about gyno leave the clomid for your pct

[T-MOS]

At 21, your natural testosterone production is still at its highest. Is there a special reason you want to SHUT DOWN your natty test and risk it NOT coming back up??

[LexusIS09]

whooo,, why the hell you runnin clomid in your cycle. 10mg of nolva is fine if you scared about gyno leave the clomid for your pct

x2.... why would you run clomid / nolvadex for the entire cycle. Random thinking...

I don't understand these people who think gyno will automatically happen while on gear.

[The_machine]

whooo,, why the hell you runnin clomid in your cycle. 10mg of nolva is fine if you scared about gyno leave the clomid for your pct

Again im asking for opinions and suggestiosn plus this is what i saw in the link to the thread i linked which everyone seemed to like the way the cycles where set up

At 21, your natural testosterone production is still at its highest. Is there a special reason you want to SHUT DOWN your natty test and risk it NOT coming back up??

LOl i dont want to shut anything down i know thats what happens but isnt that the risk any age user takes when taking steroids?

[chuckt12345]

i personally dont worry about if your to young or not, if i knew you persoanlly id tell you no but to me if someone wants to juice there gonna juice. At 21 will it affect you later on with a small test cycle?, Prb not but doesnt mean it wont.. The bad thing is youll more than likely do another one after your done and so on,, so its all about your choice and your body.
Anywho,, either test if fine to run and dont use clomid on cycle.
Btw your natural base looks fairly good, if i was like that at 21 i wouldnt see a need to run juice, id be more concerned about cutting up fo da ladies.

[The_machine]

Thanks for the advice and its true if you want to juice you'll do it no matter what. About juicing many other times not highly happening even though ive heard its addicting. Luckily ive had a strong mind since little till this day dont really have any addictings except hot chicks LOL.

My base is ok I just want to get a little cheat with the test since it helps you grow and help with dropping BF%. You see my avatar all i want is about ten more pounds of muscle and 10% BF. If i reach half of that with the cycle im happy the rest ill do it on my own.

i personally dont worry about if your to young or not, if i knew you persoanlly id tell you no but to me if someone wants to juice there gonna juice. At 21 will it affect you later on with a small test cycle?, Prb not but doesnt mean it wont.. The bad thing is youll more than likely do another one after your done and so on,, so its all about your choice and your body.
Anywho,, either test if fine to run and dont use clomid on cycle.
Btw your natural base looks fairly good, if i was like that at 21 i wouldnt see a need to run juice, id be more concerned about cutting up fo da ladies.

[T-MOS]

Yes, we all do risk permanent shut down, BUT it is much better to risk it when your natural hormone levels are already on the decline then it is to risk it at 21 and also risk impotence and not having children.....and going on TRT for the rest of your life.

At my age, I already qualify for TRT so if I get permanently shut down, its no big deal, but you , you got tons flowing in you now, that is why it would be a shame to lose that and have to rely on TRT for the rest of your life

but, its your body......just want you to know the risks. there are a couple threads here today about a guy who did a deca/dbol cycle 6 years ago and NEVER recoverd....look that up and see how terrible he feels wishing he would have waited and done things correctly

either way

GOOD LUCK to you

[The_machine]

i already knew the risks that you mentioned and i thank you for trying to educate me i really do. I know many people that have done "cycles" if you want to call it that completely wrong just taking one product alone even a person that took trembo for his first cycle which ive heard trembo is for people that have taken several cycles not for beginners. Luckily that person is ok up to now he did experience side effects.

With the little bit that i know about steroids i know that when taken they must be taken correctlly. And thats what im trying to do i know everyones body is different and reacts different to everything. Im just trying to stay as close to the safety guidelines as possible and take them correctly.

Now is this how i should take the cycle when i do so?

1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

OR

1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

PCT

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva