first time test enth cycle

[japzap]

I want to run an eight week test enth cycle, for bike racing strength and recovery.I looked at the first test cycles in the newby edu thread, but I feel 500mg a week maybe to strong. I want to keep weight gains down. I am primarily looking for bike strength and recovery. I have clomid, nolva and L-dex on hand for PCT. I was thinking 250mg weekly?????? What kind of ratios would be nessary for a solid PCT, and would I need a serm like nolva on cycle with a milder dosing as I suggested. I know for sure I need an AI Because I tend to get tender nipples with test. I know this because I used some sus for prerace in the past.

[CHAP]

I would go for 12 wks 500/mg a wk and run 20 mg of nolva from the start to keep the water retention down. You could adjust this up to 40 if needed. Regardless there is going to be some water gain. The for your PCT
run
nolva 40/40/40/40
clomid 150/100/100/100 you will be gtg

250 is probably a wast of time

[sigman roid]

stats

[chuckt12345]

250mg a week is fine but run it a month longer,, trust me when you get to week 6 your gonna be wanting anohter bottle

[inky-e]

When I came on this site the guys that were here before me would say do research and post your proposed PCT and we'll critique it...now I see more and more newbs asking people to lay out their PCT for them...and whats worse is guys are actually doing it for them...this applies to cycles as well...Part of this whole thing is doing work by researching....I think we've just made it TOOOO easy fore guys to start juicing without any real knowledge of what they are doing and why.....

[Matt]

when i came on this site the guys that were here before me would say do research and post your proposed pct and we'll critique it...now i see more and more newbs asking people to lay out their pct for them...and whats worse is guys are actually doing it for them...this applies to cycles as well...part of this whole thing is doing work by researching....i think we've just made it toooo easy fore guys to start juicing without any real knowledge of what they are doing and why.....

x2....

[dizzel]

When I came on this site the guys that were here before me would say do research and post your proposed PCT and we'll critique it...now I see more and more newbs asking people to lay out their PCT for them...and whats worse is guys are actually doing it for them...this applies to cycles as well...Part of this whole thing is doing work by researching....I think we've just made it TOOOO easy fore guys to start juicing without any real knowledge of what they are doing and why.....

i agree...when i first started on this forum, i was gung-ho and wanted to "blast-off" but, I have taken my time and have done lots of research to find out what would work for me. Only now, after six months of research do I feel confident that I am ready.

[busaboy27]

should get his stats first.. maybe in high school wanting to race bmx bikes lol

[sigman roid]

thats why i asked for his stats for all we know he could be 16

[japzap]

Let me up for a sec! I am 37 and I weigh 168 and I am 6 foot tall ,bf around 7to 8 percent diet is good not great a little crap every once in a while. I want to do a cycle to get over a slump. I have been training steady for my whole life. Started cycling around 6 years ago trying to get to the next level. I know test promotes mitochondria development, capillary growth and enhances the crebs cycle. Along with increases in red blood cell count and of course muscle growth. As I stated before looking for a mild cycle with limited weight gain. Test re-programs the cell turning it in to a lean mean fighting machine. Just wanted a little advice on mgs and clomid verses nolva in PCT.

[c-Z]

What ever did happen to asking for stats before throwing out advice to someone you know nothing about? makes no sense...... How do you know this isn't a 19 year old kid who weight 290lbs with 30% bf? Can you live with yourself giving poor advice to someone in that case who doesn't need steroids?

lets get stats before we throw advice out... The information is simply a few threads away any ways. If someone is to look around it can all be easily obtained. As far as the final critique. I would want to run it by a more experienced person as well.

[hankdiesel]

168lb at 6 ft tall is very thin. List your daily diet please in detail.

[c-Z]

yeah.. ^^ and he said hes at 7-8% bf. sooo VERY THIN.

[amcon]

168lb at 6 ft tall is very thin. List your daily diet please in detail.

he is a cyclist (pedal bikes) the body to weight ratio is very important,

i would ask this what is your strength on the bike? climbing? crit race? sprinting? time trialing?

you want to recover and get stronger however nothing beats training and diet for these things...

are you profes coached?

do you use a power tap or any other power device?

and def what is your stats---


have you ever used a hypoxi trainer?

[amcon]

I am 37 and I weigh 168 and I am 6 foot tall ,bf around 7to 8 percent diet is good not great a little crap every once in a while.

got it...

[amcon]

answer this what is a good diet? a cyclist (bicycle) diet of carbos and more carbos ? or is it mainly protine?

[japzap]

wo! I train about 8-14 hours a week. I do use a power tap and I have been stuck at 320-330 watts, no matter what I do the same. I have been on the most strict of diets all organic veggys and meats all whole wheat products for the complex carbs. I am skinny but cyclist are skinny. There is not a pro cyclist out there that hasn't used something to get through a sticking point thats the reality of pro sports. The master class is full guys on HRT!!!!!!!!

[amcon]

wo! I train about 8-14 hours a week. I do use a power tap and I have been stuck at 320-330 watts, no matter what I do the same. I have been on the most strict of diets all organic veggys and meats all whole wheat products for the complex carbs. I am skinny but cyclist are skinny. There is not a pro cyclist out there that hasn't used something to get through a sticking point thats the reality of pro sports. The master class is full guys on HRT!!!!!!!!

ok for diet please trust me, you need your carbs but you need to be getting 1.25 - 1.5 grams per body weight that 225 - 275 (guessing you do the math) per day... you need to be eating carbs and protein with in 20 min of the end of your work out, you need to get some good slow digesting proteins before you go to bed... that will get you above and beyond the 325 watts your averg now.

i strongly suggest above latic acide training for you in increments 2x your average hill in your area (for me avg hill is 2.5 min so i do above lt training at 5 minutes with 5 min rest then hit it again) you are looking to avg 10 - 20 % higher that you avg for the full 5 min... then spinning rest for 5 at 0-1 effort... then hit it again!!!! you should be drewling at the end of the effort... then again till you cant hold the 10 % above the 325... then the next day you need to do NO MORE than 30 to 45 min in total recovery pace very very easy just to spin the legs out...

fyi - i used sust and anadrol (my fav at the time till i go on here and read up on what i should use)

my numbers were on the bike were 378 watts of power at 88 cadence over rolling terrain for 10.2 miles for a time of 22min 3 seconds with strong cross wind... i believe the avg speed was 29 mph for the 22 min... thank you cervelo/zipp.

but i also used a hipoxy breathing device that would increase the red blood cell and lt tollerance... i was 11 in the country at the masters level that year and top in ny.

hope that helps but i tell you i got more from diet and intervals and hipoxy breathing than any thing else...

[eatrainrest]

i dont see theneed for you to do gear with all that high intensity cardio.. not to mention you should gain about 40-50 more lbs naturally

[c-Z]

If you haven't read this guy is a cyclist.

[eatrainrest]

If you haven't read this guy is a cyclist.

exactly so why would a cyclist take gear and burn all that muscle in the end? OP is 160 at 6'0 tall, juice doesnt fit everybodies lifestyle... cant be a marathon runner and a BB at the same time.. damn i love that line

[japzap]

I had the training down i could do 60 mi right below LT. I could do 5X10 min reps right at field test power. I was working up to 3X5 min above 370 but found out my body suffers test loss with lots of cadio. I have all the classic signs week, fatigue, moody and migrain headaches. I have heard some guys taking Pregnyl injections for this problem. As said before looking for recovery and strength.

[amcon]

i dont see theneed for you to do gear with all that high intensity cardio.. not to mention you should gain about 40-50 more lbs naturally

your missing the guys goals ... the last thing he would want is to gain 40 + lbs

[amcon]

exactly so why would a cyclist take gear and burn all that muscle in the end? OP is 160 at 6'0 tall, juice doesnt fit everybodies lifestyle... cant be a marathon runner and a BB at the same time.. damn i love that line

he wants strength not size... he is not asking for help being a bb... he would like to break the 325 avg out put of power he is currently doing... aas would be one of many ways to get past that

[amcon]

I had the training down i could do 60 mi right below LT. I could do 5X10 min reps right at field test power. I was working up to 3X5 min above 370 but found out my body suffers test loss with lots of cadio. I have all the classic signs week, fatigue, moody and migrain headaches. I have heard some guys taking Pregnyl injections for this problem. As said before looking for recovery and strength.

well, i would always suggest blood tests to see your base line numbers - with thiroid, putitary, and bound and free test... but remember the signs you are getting from going that hard could be from a thousand ohter things... diet being one of them, or hydration being the second i would look at.

that 370 should be 370 not 500 - 300 with the average being 370.... meaining start the hill or even effort at 370 and fininsh it at 370... then repeat till you can not do (just an example) 355 for the whole effort...

again aas would help but wont change any thing if you can not push your self past the pain... and if your a cyclist i know you can - pain is your best friend...

so let us know what your going to do and then follow up with the results... it will help tons of people.

many who dont get using aas with out wanting to be a body builder... thus 99% of most athletes are in that catagory.

[eatrainrest]

he wants strength not size... he is not asking for help being a bb... he would like to break the 325 avg out put of power he is currently doing... aas would be one of many ways to get past that

if he wants strength he better learn how to diet and train right