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    About anavar and its myths/facts

    Due to a lot of people asking about anavar here is to set the record straight!

    MYTHS

    Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
    False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

    Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
    This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
    If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

    Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
    This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


    LIBIDO

    The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

    #1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

    #2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

    #3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

    BENEFITS

    Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

    #1 - Vascularity
    Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

    #2 - Pumps
    When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

    #3 - Strength
    Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

    #4 - Fat Loss
    Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

    CYCLE

    Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.


    LIVER PROTECTION

    Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

    It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

    1 - Milk ThistleThe classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

    2 - R ALA
    A powerful antioxidant

    3 - NAC
    Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

    4 - Vitamin C and E
    Antioxidants

    5 - LOADS of water
    Helps to flush out your entire system

    LIPID PROTECTION

    Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

    1 - Flax Oil
    Consuming lots of essential fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

    2 - Policosanol
    Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

    3 - Niacin
    Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time

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    Also some more information about it!

    What is the highest recommended dose for bodybuilding purposes?

    The consensus is that anything over 80mg shows extreme diminishing returns.

    Does oxandrolone supress your HPTA (natural testosterone production)?

    Yes. Research shows as little as 2.5mg can supress in some folks. As far as the effects of this lowered test production, at 40mg a day, I would say that it's pretty much split evenly. Half of people will attest to loss of sex drive and testicular shrinkage late cycle, while about half attest that they retained sexual drive without any shrinkage. Bridging users be forewarned.

    Reference: (Effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone treatment on the pituitary-testicular and GH axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.

    Is clomid needed post cycle?

    Yes. This should be apparent from the above question. You may find that 50mg/day for two weeks is enough however.

    Oxandrolone and liver damage. What's the deal?

    There is room for serious debate here. Oxandroline is 17-alpha-alkylated, so it's starting off on a bad foot. Oxandrolone has shown to cause liver values to sway outside of the "normal zone" for some posters (which may or may not indicate liver toxicity, this is debatable), however, the insert also states that oxandrolone can alter blood test results. I would treat this drug as liver toxic, supplimenting with a lot of ALA, Liver Detox, etc. However, this drug has also been used at 80mg/day to treat (and reverse!) liver damage in alcohol abusers. Hard to say what this means. My advice is to play it safe and treat it like any other 17aa oral.

    Reference: (1: Am J Gastroenterol 1991 Sep;86(9):1200-8, A randomized, controlled trial of treatment of alcoholic hepatitis with parenteral nutrition and oxandrolone. I. Short-term effects on liver function. Bonkovsky HL, Fiellin DA, Smith GS, Slaker DP, Simon D, Galambos JT.)


    Cholesterol? Heart attack time?

    User experience seems to point to the fact that prolonged use does bring your good cholesterol down and your bad cholesterol up. Take your flax seed oil.

    "Also, because oral steroids can decrease the "good" HDL cholesterol and increase the "bad" LDL cholesterol, oral steroids can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD). If you use oral anabolic steroids consider taking 400 to 800 IU of Vitamin E, and 1,000 to 2,000 mg. of Vitamin C with each meal. These vitamin antioxidants help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD."

    (Oxandrin May Cause Liver Toxicity, by Michael Mooney (Original article in issue #7, October, 1998. Updated July, 2001)

    Will grapefruit speed absorbtion?

    Naringen present in grapefruit juice has shown to increase absorbtion of 17 alpha-ethinylestradiol (EE2), however, it is pure speculation as to its effects are similar in 17-alpha-alkylated substances. Hey, it cant hurt!

    (Can grapefruit juice influence ethinylestradiol bioavailability? Author: Weber A; J¨ager R; B¨orner A; Klinger G; Vollanth R; Matthey K; Balogh A)


    What about the different brands of Oxandrolone floating around? What to choose?
    ** "10mg tabs" Street price: ~$.40/"10mg"

    This product must be chewed says the "manufacturer". This product is underdosed, and of dubious purity and consistency. Lab results on a test done on another board showed the pills to contain a little over 4mg of oxandrolone.

    BTG/SPA 2.5mg tabs. Street price: 1-2$ per pill.

    Exceptional results can be obtained with this product using signifigantly lower doses (e.g. 25mg instead of 40mg). This can probobly be attributed to greater absorbtion via proprietary "delivery systems". Outstanding product if you can afford it.

    Spanish Generic 10mg caps. Street price: $1/cap.

    Nothing but positive feedback so far. Tested within pharm. margin of error (+-10%). Here are the results. These are great if you can still get them.

    Percentage OX: 4.42%
    Percentage moisture: 2.1%

    Total OX content: 9.55mg

    (Credit goes to Fonz.)

    Ttokkyo Labs. 5mg tabs. Street price: around 1.50 each.

    Consistent, well dosed product. Does not seem to have the absorbtion or potency of the BTG/SPA product. Because of the extreme cost, I would never choose this over BTG or SPA except for availability issues.

    Side effects?

    Common side effects you should be prepared for: Appetite loss, stomach discomfort, increase skin "grease". I personally suffered extreme loss of appetite, but no stomach discomfort. Appetite came back in 1 week.

    Rarer side effects: acne

    Overall, this is an extremely mild drug. You should experience virtually no side effects. Those you do experience will diminish over time.

    As ulter once said "safer then baby food".

    How long before it kicks in?

    Individual thing. Varies on product line as well. BTG hits quickest, ** slowest if at all.

    I noticed vascularity and hardness within 2-3 days with generics, and strength in 2.5 weeks. Huck saw strength in 3 days on BTG. Wait about 3 weeks for the full effect before you get dissapointed.

    Vascularity and hardness will come quick, it's very nice. I had spiderweb viens on my pecs that I've never seen before in just 3 days on Ox.

    What is this drug used for?

    Involuntary weight loss. HIV, AIDS, burns etc. Liver treatment in severe alcohol induced liver damage.

    What is the halflife of Ox?

    ~9 hours.

    When should ox be dosed?

    There are two camps.

    Camp 1: Take it all in the morning. The rationale is that your blood concentrations will 'fall off' by the time you go to bed, which will limit HPTA impact during this crucial "recentering" time for your body.

    Camp 2: Spread it out evenly through the day. This will keep blood concentrations steady. Plus, don't we want that nice anabolic substance in our veins during our growth at night?

    My comments: With a halflife of 9 hours, this issue is virtually meaningless. The ideas used in "camp 1" apply well when you have a substance with a 3 hour halflife (dbol), (e.g. if 30mg of dbol is taken at 9am, only about 1 miligram is left in your bloodstream by bedtime. great.) I don't think things pan out so well with a 9 hour halflife drug. If 40mg is taken at 9am, at bedtime you will have approximately 10mg or more in your bloodstream. You would have about 15 at bedtime if you took it 4 times evenly through the day. I don't think you are giving your body any dropoff at night anyway.

    Conclusion: Take it whenever you want. Choose the camp you agree with and do it, things will work out.


    What gains can I expect?

    Individual question. I've heard of folks with no gain in lbm, I've heard of a 15lb gain. It all depends on your diet, brand, etc. However, don't expect this to pack 3 times the punch of a sust/dbol cycle because it costs 3 times as much. .

    This question is actually pretty silly, so I won't delve into it.
    You CAN expect hardness and vascularity.

    How about doses for women?

    Go scope out the Womens discussion. However, from the grape vine I've heard of dosages starting at 2.5mg/day ramping up to 10mg/day. I wouldn't recommend more. I know little about anabolics in women though. Don't use anything but BTG/SPA. The cost is so small with female dosages and the damage done to a women's body from counterfiets is far too great. Overmore, you can't dose small amounts accurately with 10mg caps/tabs.


    How long is a typical Oxandrolone cycle?

    Most tend to agree longer is better with Ox. 6 weeks seems to be the minimum, while 10 weeks is recommended and common. Over 10 weeks might be stressful on the ole' liver.

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    Good info,

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    Thank you for the research.

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    this a anavar only write up? i myself dont care if its run by itself or not but i dont konw if i would promote it to others

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    I am not here to promote it to anyone. I am here to set the record straight on it and for people "who" are interested in it, they can learn from this instead of asking a whole bunch of questions.

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    Thanks for the info. I read some of this in other threads too that I think you pulled some of this info from word for word. I totally agree with the gains of the drug. But some will debate you on the PCT treatment and length. personally I prefer clomid for 50mg for a month.

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    Yes It was pulled off but the information in there is good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt12345 View Post
    this a anavar only write up? i myself dont care if its run by itself or not but i dont konw if i would promote it to others
    He obviously isnt promoting it but presenting information he found since it has been a popular subject lately and all the time........go easy killer......

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    Its ok, we are all friends here and we are here for the same reason.

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    I have seena write up to this almost identical on the board

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    When I did a search I came up with nothing really. However if there is then I will edit the post

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    yea most of that info is HERE

    not to diminish your post though, great info! there are so many questions about Anavar and people dont seem to like going in the educational threads section...

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    Crap, oh well I don't mean too repost information however I can edit it if you like?

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    My first cycle ever in 1980 was Anavar and HCG. I have to agree it keep me lean and no bad sides.

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    Great post!!

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    where did the info come from?

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    Thanx man, lots of good info in one spot instead of taking peices of info from half a dozen posts.

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    awesome.

    the more i read the more i am leaning to my first cycle being anavar.

    questions i have: would hcg along with it help? are nova/clomid good enough for pct?

    i've been lifting for a while now, and plan on going on a getting leaner/more flexible/ stronger kick with anavar to help. my main goal is a bit of muscle, but mainly long term improvements (so strength and muscle i can gain and keep to some extent, but i figure any fat i lose or conditioning/flexibility i achieve isn't going away after the cycle).

    thanks much

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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756


    Been done already.

    But kudos for writing a thread.

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    awesome post mate! care to write one about t-bol as well? :P

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    excellent post bro!!!!Although alot of this has been written before still makes good reading.
    Last edited by sigman roid; 05-12-2009 at 08:07 AM.

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    Sure I will do a t-bol one as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro View Post
    Its ok, we are all friends here and we are here for the same reason.
    knowledge is power...

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    Would anyone recommend Anavar and Test E (at a low dose, maybe 200mg) as a first cycle when trying to gain some size that I will keep?

    Been doing as much research as possible and thought it was time to ask.

    Age: 28
    Experience: 12 months Gym, 5 years body circuits and cardio (Army)
    Body fat: Est 10% - 12%
    Height: 5' 9"
    Weight: 70kg, 154lb
    Diet: not very specific but taking in around 3000cal per day.

    I have been trying to gain weight for years but its not really working, I have started on the muscle gaining secrets which is controversial but working quite well and managed a few extra kilos (6.5lb).

    I was thinking 40mg Var and 200mg Test E

    Also my time may be limited to 8-10 weeks as I work offshore and cant take anything with me.

    Any advice would be great.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo3816 View Post
    Would anyone recommend Anavar and Test E (at a low dose, maybe 200mg) as a first cycle when trying to gain some size that I will keep?

    Been doing as much research as possible and thought it was time to ask.

    Age: 28
    Experience: 12 months Gym, 5 years body circuits and cardio (Army)
    Body fat: Est 10% - 12%
    Height: 5' 9"
    Weight: 70kg, 154lb
    Diet: not very specific but taking in around 3000cal per day.

    I have been trying to gain weight for years but its not really working, I have started on the muscle gaining secrets which is controversial but working quite well and managed a few extra kilos (6.5lb).

    I was thinking 40mg Var and 200mg Test E

    Also my time may be limited to 8-10 weeks as I work offshore and cant take anything with me.

    Any advice would be great.

    Cheers

    youll get better response, if you make a thread. but everyone is gonna tell you to start eating first. and see how that goes. get yourself up to at least 4000cals. 5000 would be better.

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