Prop/mast or prop/tren?

[Polska]

What do you prefer running when trying to get cut? prop and masteron or prop and trenbolone acetate? Or fack it and run all three... prop/tren/mast?

[JAYROD]

i've run all 3 @75mg ed and loved it. also sust/tren/winny was a great cycle.

[wrathchild212]

run all 3!!!! im on my 2nd week of tren/prop/winny..and so far i love it!!

[inky-e]

I've done the triple stack....but I prefer to run test/ mast...at the end of a bulker ( last 4-6 weeks) to cut whatever fat I gained in the cycle..I don't like to run it any further than 6 weeks...

[alpmaster]

All 3 would be the most synergistic and contain 3 types of test. Muscle sparing, muscle hardening and fat loss.

[Polska]

I've done the triple stack....but I prefer to run test/ mast...at the end of a bulker ( last 4-6 weeks) to cut whatever fat I gained in the cycle..I don't like to run it any further than 6 weeks...

Curious why you don't like running it longer than 6?

[inky-e]

Curious why you don't like running it longer than 6?

My experience has been that the aggression from masteron is difficult to deal with along with the potential for hair loss. I am NOT predisposed to hair loss but on masteron it did fall out quite a bit...plus if you can't get the results you want in those 4-6 weeks then theres another problem there altogether. I found that masteron will burn fat even while I slept.

[*RAGE*]

I am a big fan of masteron and also of tren but all together is a rocken ass cycle....put a punching bag in the back yard you are going to need it or at least I did.......

[Dancer]

What do you prefer running when trying to get cut? prop and masteron or prop and trenbolone acetate? Or fack it and run all three... prop/tren/mast?

I vote for all three too.... oH add some halo in there for fun!

[tripmachine]

i will be running all 3 once i'm done with my dnp cycle i just started 3 days ago... :] can't wait!!!!

[RANA]

Thats a cycle I am contemplating

[Polska]

Hmm I was just going to stick with prop/tren this time around but am tempted to throw some masteron in there now

[Juice Authority]

What do you prefer running when trying to get cut? prop and masteron or prop and trenbolone acetate? Or fack it and run all three... prop/tren/mast?

If you can handle the sides associated with Tren that would be the ultimate cutter. I unfortunately can't so I usually replace the tren with var and NPP but Tren would be better. For example, after I finish off the rest of this Suspension, which I absolutely love, I'll be running Prop/Masteron/var/NPP for the final stretch.

[Polska]

If you can handle the sides associated with Tren that would be the ultimate cutter. I unfortunately can't so I usually replace the tren with var and NPP but Tren would be better. For example, after I finish off the rest of this Suspension, which I absolutely love, I'll be running Prop/Masteron/var/NPP for the final stretch.

How long is your cycle? Why do you prefer the suspension to prop?

[Juice Authority]

How long is your cycle? Why do you prefer the suspension to prop?

This one is longer than usual - 16 weeks. We're having a transformation contest over at OLM.

Susp or TNE is hands down better than Prop for quick gains in size and strength. I run Prop in cutters. Suspension is probably my all time favorite compound.

My cycle looked like this:

Week 1-5
Oil based TNE - 50mgs/ed
Inj Dbol - 50mgs/ed
Test E - 750mgs/wk
Deca - 400mgs/wk
Proviron - 50-75mgs/ed

Weeks 5-9
Test E - 900mgs/wk
Deca - 450mgs/wk
Proviron - 75mgs/ed

Week 9 - dropped Deca
Week 10 - dropped Test E and added Suspension (water based)

This is where I am now (week 11) and will continue for another week - Suspension - 75mgs on training days only

Weeks 12-16

Prop - 100mgs/eod
Masteron -100mgs/eod
NPP - 100mgs/eod
Var - 60mgs/ed

[Rex9933]

both prop/mast or prop/tren should be great cycles. if you want more strength and lbm go w tren/prop

[Polska]

This one is longer than usual - 16 weeks. We're having a transformation contest over at OLM.

Susp or TNE is hands down better than Prop for quick gains in size and strength. I run Prop in cutters. Suspension is probably my all time favorite compound.

My cycle looked like this:

Week 1-5
Oil based TNE - 50mgs/ed
Inj Dbol - 50mgs/ed
Test E - 750mgs/wk
Deca - 400mgs/wk
Proviron - 50-75mgs/ed

Weeks 5-9
Test E - 900mgs/wk
Deca - 450mgs/wk
Proviron - 75mgs/ed

Week 9 - dropped Deca
Week 10 - dropped Test E and added Suspension (water based)

This is where I am now (week 11) and will continue for another week - Suspension - 75mgs on training days only

Weeks 12-16

Prop - 100mgs/eod
Masteron -100mgs/eod
NPP - 100mgs/eod
Var - 60mgs/ed

Looks like a hell of a cycle, how are your results so far?

[Juice Authority]

Looks like a hell of a cycle, how are your results so far?

Honestly, I'm pretty much maintaining my gains from the first 5 weeks. I blew up close to 25 pounds in the first few weeks and right now I'm just focused on muscle endurance (higher reps to failure).

[HIITB$]

Honestly, I'm pretty much maintaining my gains from the first 5 weeks. I blew up close to 25 pounds in the first few weeks and right now I'm just focused on muscle endurance (higher reps to failure).

With testE taking a few weeks to really kick in im surprised you didnt start it while on Prop? Seems like you'd went couple weeks there with not so much test yeah?
I dont know much about suspension, but kind of interested. How much before workout do you take it? You can feel it yeah?

[Juice Authority]

With testE taking a few weeks to really kick in im surprised you didnt start it while on Prop? Seems like you'd went couple weeks there with not so much test yeah?
I dont know much about suspension, but kind of interested. How much before workout do you take it? You can feel it yeah?

My plan was not to drop Test E or Deca when I did. Unfortunately I deviated from my HG philosophy and mixed in some UG gear from a lab I hadn’t used before but had a 'good rep'. The injection pain from this particular UG that shall remain nameless was so unbearable I had to drop both the Test E and Deca and go with something to bridge the gap. I went with Suspension and it ending up working out just fine. If you take 50-75mgs of Susp 1-1.5hrs before your workout you'll notice an incredible difference.

Morale of the story: Never go with UG gear when there is an HG equivalent. Don't be cheap and cut corners like I did when you know better.

[HIITB$]

Im a newb and the only thing i got acess to is UG...so im suckin it up and trying to deal with it lol

[roidboyjnr]

im very curious to why more people don't run primbo instead of mast?
it has less sides as well or am i missing something

[alpmaster]

Juice Authority, are you shooting the suspension once per day? I am very interested in suspension and am going to try it on my next bulking cycle. I believe the best results are made when the body is primed and ready and the biggest changes are always made in those first 4 to 6 weeks. So now time for long esters, and with the speed of suspension you can even time it for the best anabolism (like pre-workout, when you wake up, right before bed, etc.).

I'm also one of those people who really doesn't mind injecting ed, even if it would be multiple times per day. So i think suspension will be just perfect for me.

[Juice Authority]

Juice Authority, are you shooting the suspension once per day? I am very interested in suspension and am going to try it on my next bulking cycle. I believe the best results are made when the body is primed and ready and the biggest changes are always made in those first 4 to 6 weeks. So now time for long esters, and with the speed of suspension you can even time it for the best anabolism (like pre-workout, when you wake up, right before bed, etc.).

I'm also one of those people who really doesn't mind injecting ed, even if it would be multiple times per day. So i think suspension will be just perfect for me.

Keep in mind the Test E and Deca esters are still clearing. Suspension kicks in right away, as in 30-45 minutes. The big question is how long does it stay active in the body. No one really knows for sure. Some think the water carrier keeps it active in the body for 2-3 days while others insist on 2x/ed injections. Who knows for sure? What I do know is that suspension is the most powerful compound I've ever used. I love it. Since there is no ester weight 100mgs of Susp = 100mgs of the actual compound. I personally use 75mgs 1 hr before workout on training days only but if I were to 'give advice' I would say ed injects of 50mgs to ensure a more stable blood concentration since that seems to be of utmost importance around here.

[Rex9933]

Keep in mind the Test E and Deca esters are still clearing. Suspension kicks in right away, as in 30-45 minutes. The big question is how long does it stay active in the body. No one really knows for sure. Some think the water carrier keeps it active in the body for 2-3 days while others insist on 2x/ed injections. Who knows for sure? What I do know is that suspension is the most powerful compound I've ever used. I love it. Since there is no ester weight 100mgs of Susp = 100mgs of the actual compound. I personally use 75mgs 1 hr before workout on training days only but if I were to 'give advice' I would say ed injects of 50mgs to ensure a more stable blood concentration since that seems to be of utmost importance around here.

stronger than tren bro??

[alpmaster]

Keep in mind the Test E and Deca esters are still clearing. Suspension kicks in right away, as in 30-45 minutes. The big question is how long does it stay active in the body. No one really knows for sure. Some think the water carrier keeps it active in the body for 2-3 days while others insist on 2x/ed injections. Who knows for sure? What I do know is that suspension is the most powerful compound I've ever used. I love it. Since there is no ester weight 100mgs of Susp = 100mgs of the actual compound. I personally use 75mgs 1 hr before workout on training days only but if I were to 'give advice' I would say ed injects of 50mgs to ensure a more stable blood concentration since that seems to be of utmost importance around here.

Sounds good. I will try 50mg 2x/day (700mg a week) for 6 weeks on my next run (winter bulk) and see how it goes. I fully understand what you mean about suspension, I have high hopes for it.

[Juice Authority]

stronger than tren bro??

2 totally different compounds. Suspension doesn't really compare to Tren in terms of its anabolic effects but Tren isn't really a mass builder either. Which one will get you stronger? Likely Tren. Which one will get you bigger? Definitely suspension. Which one has more unwanted sides? Debatable but for me, Tren hands down. That shit makes me crazy.

[Rex9933]

Gotcha bro. strength gains almost as good with suspension?

[inkslinger]

im very curious to why more people don't run primbo instead of mast?
it has less sides as well or am i missing something

did you mean primo?

currently im taking prop/primo/master (gh too)
I ran this cycle last time and loved it ..at week 6-7 ill switch from master to tren
and finish off on that .. I have winny too and i havent taken winny in almost 9 yrs so I was thinking maybe I should use that ...
I lvoe primo but my body responds very well to ALL ass - most will say primo isnt worth the money but when stacking ive never had to use a lot of it and ive gotten very solid gains .. when stacking ill only from 300-400mg/ week of primo and its plenty for me..

honestly - if your toss up is between master or tren its really what works best for you, remember that tren is a nor19 so itll shut you down hard from the first shot...and master has the hairloss issue .. for me both have given me great muscle definition ... but tren is 5x more anabolic then test .. so that could be considered..
f*ck it, use em all! hahah

[Juice Authority]

Gotcha bro. strength gains almost as good with suspension?

I can only handle Tren in 4-6 week increments. Most people run Tren much longer but the sides catch up with me in bad way 3.5 weeks into it, around the same time I start seeing significant increases in strength. If you can handle Tren the strength gains over time will be greater than Suspension, imo. If you're looking for quick gains in both size and strength Suspension is the better bet. If I was just running Tren, which is certainly not advisable, or Susp by itself over a 4-5 week span I would see greater increases in strength on Suspension.

[Rex9933]

I see. did suspension bloat you at all bro? some ppl say they get hard and then i see ppl say they got bloated bad

[Juice Authority]

I see. did suspension bloat you at all bro? some ppl say they get hard and then i see ppl say they got bloated bad

Tell me what you think:

Before Suspension (actually TNE = testosterone no ester, but same difference)



After TNE (Actually just 1 week later):



To be fair, I was stacking the TNE with inj dbol so let's not discount that but the combination of the two put on close to 15 pounds in 1 week (10 pounds in the first 3 days). I'm on Suspension (water based) right now and yes, there's bloat, but that's what I want.

[alpmaster]

Fvcking awesome bud, great job!

[Rex9933]

damn, nice results man

[Polska]

2 totally different compounds. Suspension doesn't really compare to Tren in terms of its anabolic effects but Tren isn't really a mass builder either. Which one will get you stronger? Likely Tren. Which one will get you bigger? Definitely suspension. Which one has more unwanted sides? Debatable but for me, Tren hands down. That shit makes me crazy.

I am curious to see why you think that? Tren has an androgenic and anabolic rating 5x that of testosterone.

[Juice Authority]

I am curious to see why you think that? Tren has an androgenic and anabolic rating 5x that of testosterone.

Tren doesn't convert into estrogen at all. There is no water retention (bloat) on Tren whereas with Suspension you blow up pretty good (mass). Most people actually drop in BF on Tren.

[Rex9933]

suspension ran with tren must be sick

[Juice Authority]

suspension ran with tren must be sick

Can't comment on that. I have run Tren with Test, mainly Test Prop. I always do when I seldomly run Tren but Suspension wouldn't be my preferred stack w/Tren.

[Rex9933]

Can't comment on that. I have run Tren with Test, mainly Test Prop. I always do when I seldomly run Tren but Suspension wouldn't be my preferred stack w/Tren.

why not bro? gains would be better and you'd look sick, but i guess sides would be too much huh

[Juice Authority]

why not bro? gains would be better and you'd look sick, but i guess sides would be too much huh

Not saying it would or it wouldn't but I'm not going to comment on a stack I haven't done. One can certainly argue 'test is test' but I beg to differ.