Fine Tune Gear

[Bradley4000]

Sup Everyone.

Need some last minute advice or criticism.

Test E Weeks 1-12 @500mg PW
Tren E Weeks 4-10 @400mg PW

PCT
12 days after last Test E
- Clomid Day 1 @ 300mg/2-7@100mg/8-12@50mg
- HCG 250 UI 2xweek
- Nov 20 mg pd 2 weeks

The pct is the the hardest to Fine tune. Getting a lot of you don't need that with this and conflicting wouldn't hurt, or just in cases.

Ty

[RANA]

Stats?
What are you starting your tren 4 weeks after your test?

[TractionIssues]

If your doing tren, you should not need anyone to fine tune your setup? What is your cycle experience and stats?

[TractionIssues]

First of all you don't need to do 300mg of clomid the first day, just do a 100/50/50/25, second of all why is your PCT only 12 days? It should be at least 4 weeks, esspecially on Fina. Thirdly you don't do HCG in PCT, you do it on cycle, about 1 month into the cycle since you are using enanthate esters, and then jack it up right before you PCT then stop it during PCT. Also I heard Nolva doesn't blend too well with Fina, you should ask about people's experiences with it.

[T-MOS]

welcome to AR

we need stats and cycle history in order to help you

have you used Tren before??

[alpmaster]

Why would you run Tren E for 6 weeks?...

[Bradley4000]

Whoops stats i knew i forgot something:
33
5'10"
210lbs
BF 12-14%
EXP. 8 years
Gear exp: 4 stacks each about 2 years apart(deca/sust/dbol) never stopped training in between and kept diet right.The reason so spread out is that I couldn't dedicate the extra time needed in the gym for the gear.
This is my 1st time with Tren. Friends of mine have suggested i do the tren in the middle of the Test cycle. I chose enethate over acetate just cause inj ed or eod.
Oh and sorry the pct wasn't for 12 days I meant 12 days after last Test inj.
And the HCG prob shouldn't have thrown that in under pct.
And plz if anyone knows about the fina/nov issue or at least which forum its in I cant seem to find anything .
ty all again and looking foreward to your info/opinions.

[Bradley4000]

From Research and your guys advice/opinions I Am going with :

Test E Weeks 1-12 @500mg PW
Tren E Weeks 3-10 @400mg PW
HCG 250 UI 2x week(500 UI) then spiking up to 1500UI right before pct.



PCT
start 12 days after last Test E injection
- Clomid Day 1 @ 100mg/2-12@50mg/12-18@25mg
- Nov 20 mg pd for 4 weeks.

If there's anything you think I should add or detract please post.
ty for the info guys.

[T-MOS]

I don't know WHERE you are researching, BUT you are all wrong !!!

First NO ONE here ever suggests Tren E for the first time tren user. You are asking for trouble. Enanthate is a LONG ester, and IF you end up having terrible side effects and need to stop the tren, you will be stuck with it in your body for WEEKS !!!

We ALWAYS suggest using the SHORT ester Acetate when using tren for the first time so that if you have to quit it, it will be out of your system in DAYS instead of weeks

Also, running a LONG ester for less than 10 weeks is NOT wise as it will take 4-6 weeks just for it to kick in. You only have 8 weeks of Tren E up there. NOT GOOD !!

Your PCT timing is ALL wrong. PCT starts 14 days after last enanthate shot, NOT 12
you need MORE than 18 days of clomid. MINIMUM is 4 weeks with enough to run longer if needed

You also need to have some ancillaries on hand like and AI, and caber or B6 to combat prolactin

I think you need about 6 more months GOOD research before you attempt this cycle

and I would NOT suggest you use Tren Enanthate

[Bradley4000]

Your right no one here did ever suggest tren E .. never said that. they just gave thier opinion in wich i took with others outside of forum aka. RL/ internet.And Already knew the acetate issue and side effects.I cut back the suggested length from friends cause thought it was to long.
Hows this
Tren E 14-15 weeks 400mg
Test E 500mg 12 weeks
HCG 500UI week last 2 1200 ui b4 pct
Cabaster 1mgpw
b6 200mg pd
Pct Clomid 100/50/50/25 30 dyas
nov 20mg pd 4 weeks

[AllPumpedUp]

have you done tren A first to see how bad your side effects are before getting into a long esther. Tren is bad if you are not used to it! Be careful Brotha!

[Bradley4000]

Yeah . I'm probably going to go with the Tren acetate the 1st 2 weeks to see how bad the side effects are and if they're not bad ill start up the enethate.
Right now I'm Just trying to get some opinions on the correctness of stack/pct.Looking forward to input Ty

[busaboy27]

u dont start with tren a and then move to tren e.... u run test longer than the tren..

if your gonna do that stack u want..start the tren/test same time there both enanthate..

if your gonna run test e and tren a then start the tren 2 weeks after the test...


u need to pick one or the other then figure it out cause ur all over with it right now

[Bradley4000]

Was only thinking of doing the Acetate for 2 weeks to see how the side effect where that way if they're sever i can get off them quickly .. if not bad then switch to the enethate and inj 2x week like the test e

[RANA]

Was only thinking of doing the Acetate for 2 weeks to see how the side effect where that way if they're sever i can get off them quickly .. if not bad then switch to the enethate and inj 2x week like the test e

Serious? It does not make any sense to do this. So you will us a short ester for 2 weeks and then start using a short ester? You want to test the sides?

[Bradley4000]

Tren acetate ( 1/2 life of 3 days) for 2 weeks to see how severe the side effects are? then if not bad switch to enanthate (1/2 life of 10 days)? Of course id consider the 2 weeks for the Tren E to kick in but whats wrong with doing it that way?

[busaboy27]

your gonna lose 2 weeks of it now and your blood levels will be all over the place... either one or the other... your doing a cycle for 12 weeks making your body do what it does in a year in 12 weeks basically.. u want to do it the right/best way possible...

[RANA]

your gonna lose 2 weeks of it now and your blood levels will be all over the place... either one or the other... your doing a cycle for 12 weeks making your body do what it does in a year in 12 weeks basically.. u want to do it the right/best way possible...

^^^agree^^^
You blood levels will be off. There is no consistancy with this. I can understand maybe going from an Tren E to an Tren A (Maybe). If you going to start with Tren A you might as well finish with it.

[T-MOS]

Tren acetate ( 1/2 life of 3 days) for 2 weeks to see how severe the side effects are? then if not bad switch to enanthate (1/2 life of 10 days)? Of course id consider the 2 weeks for the Tren E to kick in but whats wrong with doing it that way?

Your thinking is ALL WRONG

those MAY be the half lifes, but that has NOTHING To do with how long it takes for each compound to build up in your blood system

it take tren acetate about two weeks just for it to kick in....then your gonna stop it and start Tren Enanthate which can take from 4-6 weeks to kick in

again , sorry but you have NO clue what you are doing here

[Dancer]

Your thinking is ALL WRONG

those MAY be the half lifes, but that has NOTHING To do with how long it takes for each compound to build up in your blood system

it take tren acetate about two weeks just for it to kick in....then your gonna stop it and start Tren Enanthate which can take from 4-6 weeks to kick in

again , sorry but you have NO clue what you are doing here

I think he is confused about how half life and kick in time are not related.

There should be a thread about it but I think most still would not understand the concept.

[Reed]

I'm just going to post this about switching from short esters to long: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...17&postcount=7

I thought the same thing about "kick in times" and thought I would need the compound to "build up" till I did more reading on esters


don't beat me down folks....

[Bradley4000]

Wasn't going to stop the acetate and just start the enenthate after 2 weeks . .. was gonna gradually taper Acetate shots around the time the Enethate started kicking in.The whole logic behind it was that if i had a bad reaction to Tren i could stop it immediately with the acetate and have it outta my system quicker. but if i don't i can slowly equalize blood content by introducing enanthate for fewer injections.was gonna have blood tests or what ever the doctor needs to do to make sure i maintain a similar balance in the 2 weeks.
anyways the original stack will look like this
Test E -14 weeks @ 500 mg PW
Tren E - 10 weeks 400 mg PW
HCG - 500 ui 250ui x2 a week (last 2 shots /last week 1500 ui x2)
PCT(2 weeks after last Test E inj)
Clomid day1 200mg/2-16 50mg/16-30 .25mg
Noveldex 20 mg pd for 4 weeks
B6 200 mg 3xday

any opinions/advice would be appreciated

[Bradley4000]

bump

[Bradley4000]

I'm just going to post this about switching from short esters to long: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...17&postcount=7

I thought the same thing about "kick in times" and thought I would need the compound to "build up" till I did more reading on esters


don't beat me down folks....

Pretty much was what i was goning to do if i have an ok reaction to Tren A.

[AllPumpedUp]

sounds OK just make sure you are watching out for those sides! hate like hell to see you iss something and get stuck in a 12 week cycle you hate

[Bradley4000]

yeah hoping the sides are min. ive never had bad side effects b4 with aas. ill post gains to . thanks all for the help /advice