stack advice

[cobranthony]

this is what I am workin with...2 bottles of deca 1 bottle of Enanthate and a bottle of winny and 350 5mg dbols. How is this for a stack?

W1 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W2 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W3 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W4 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W5 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W6 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W7 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W8 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W9 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W10 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD

Bottle of Novedex XT as per instructions on bottle after.

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

can't give cycle advice without knowing more about you

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
goals for this
any previous cycles, doses, length, pct
PCT planned for this. OTC pct compounds are NOT gonna cut it

[cobranthony]

age 31
height 5'10
weight 175
not sure of body fat... but I have a 6 pack when i flex with a little bit of fat over top which gets me aggrivated.
Diet...tuna, chicken, rice, I make my own beef jerkey and turkey jerky, trail mix, protein shakes, steaks, drink water.
training 2 years
goal is to get bigger maybe 10 pounds
I have been taking dbols for over a year... I did one anadrol 50 cycle.. I have just finished full deca cycle.

[T-MOS]

ok, please clarify your previous cycles in detail please

when you say you took dbols for a year does that mean you took them EVERYDAY for a whole year? and alone? and at what dose?

did you do the same with the A50?
what about the deca cycle? was it deca by itself? and for how long and dose

this information is VERY important especially with your stats of being 5'10 and ONLY 175 lbs

a 5'10 person SHOULD be able to get to and maintain at least 200 lbs NATURALLY
so your diet may be an issue
also the way you are taking those steroids MAY not be the best way to be taking them

[cobranthony]

I was 160 pounds when I started lifting 2 years ago...after 3 months started takin the dbols....yeah taking them for a year havn't stopped...I have 2000 of them so i take them like vitamins. they are 5 mg...5 a day.

I added 100 anadrol 50 in there last summer with the dbols. 1 a day plus 5 dbols. till they were gone

then I took a break with the anadrols and stayed on the 5 dbols.

then went on deca 300 1 cc a week with the 5 dbols for 10 weeks did not take a break anddddd....

right now I am on 1cc of enanthate 300 and 1/2 cc deca 300 per week and 5 dbols a day.

I plan on not taking a break and going right into the next cycle... I got blood work done a few weeks ago liver enzymes are up a little... sodium is up a little... and good cholesterol is down a little.


my doctor knows all about what im doing he said everything is good nothing to worry about.

I never took post cycle stuff cause I never stop taking anything. but I plan on stopping after this cycle for a month and doing the post cycle stuff. But who knows if I will.

[Juice Authority]

this is what I am workin with...2 bottles of deca 1 bottle of Enanthate and a bottle of winny and 350 5mg dbols. How is this for a stack?

W1 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W2 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W3 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W4 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W5 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day
W6 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W7 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W8 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W9 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD
W10 - 200MG Deca / 100 mg Test / 5 dbols a day/ 50 MG Winny EOD

Bottle of Novedex XT as per instructions on bottle after.

[ninesecz]

Are you out of your mind??? Have you had any liver function tests done "LFT's'?? You re going to screw yourself up bad!! You should only take D-bol for 4-6 weeks at best.

You need to do a lot of research before you go any further. 200mg of deca and 100mg of test are way to low of dosages and the cycle should be at least 12 weeks! I would not go near any gear until you have a full blood panel done first! Do you have any Idea how bad Orals like D-bol and A-drol are for your liver / kidneys??

[ninesecz]

Just read your post! I am thinking your D-bols and A-drols are bunk If I took A drols every day for 3+months, I would have 75# of water weight on me right now and have such bad headaches I would want to kill myself

[j4ever41]

I was 160 pounds when I started lifting 2 years ago...after 3 months started takin the dbols....yeah taking them for a year havn't stopped...I have 2000 of them so i take them like vitamins. they are 5 mg...5 a day.

I added 100 anadrol 50 in there last summer with the dbols. 1 a day plus 5 dbols. till they were gone

then I took a break with the anadrols and stayed on the 5 dbols.

then went on deca 300 1 cc a week with the 5 dbols for 10 weeks did not take a break anddddd....

right now I am on 1cc of enanthate 300 and 1/2 cc deca 300 per week and 5 dbols a day.

I plan on not taking a break and going right into the next cycle... I got blood work done a few weeks ago liver enzymes are up a little... sodium is up a little... and good cholesterol is down a little.


my doctor knows all about what im doing he said everything is good nothing to worry about.

I never took post cycle stuff cause I never stop taking anything. but I plan on stopping after this cycle for a month and doing the post cycle stuff. But who knows if I will.

stop now,let your body recoup and do alot of research.

[cobranthony]

I def saw gains when I took the adrols my arms were alot bigger back then then they are now...dbols might be bunk but who cares might as well take them....i got them.

[ninesecz]

have you done any research on any of these? On top of it I would get a new doctor if he knows what you are doing and tells you there is nothing to worry about! No one ver takes Anadrol for more than 6 weeks you took it for 100 days straight!! I am surprised you even have a liver or kidneys left! Just so you know most people gain 15-30# off of Adrol in just 4-5 weeks (mostly water) If they were real then you should have had 50# of water weight on you by the end of the 100th day and horrible side affects Also never run a cycle of Just Deca!! Have to add Test in there always!
Seroiusly man you are going to really end up hurting yourself if you do not do research before you keep going!

[Roshambo]

Goes to show, without a proper diet in place the juice does nada...... That is if all is good with your gear. If I were you I would really seriously take everyones advice and stop taking all of what you taking, a proper diet at your current state, will definately add a few pounds that you are looking for. This stuff is no joke and should not he taken lightly. The compounds that you have taken for so long are some of THE MOST toxic AAS that you could possibly put into your body and I would def go and get my bloodwork checked asap.

[cobranthony]

plus I drink FINE! I'll take a month off... but after the summer...now if you had 2 bottles of deca 1 bottle of Enanthate and 1 bottle of winny and 5mg dbols what would would you do with them? How would you take them?

[cobranthony]

read my post I got bloodwork done 3 weeks ago doc says Im fine! got the papers to prove it liver enzymes are up a little big deal juice does that.

[cobranthony]

Are you out of your mind??? Have you had any liver function tests done "LFT's'?? You re going to screw yourself up bad!! You should only take D-bol for 4-6 weeks at best.

You need to do a lot of research before you go any further. 200mg of deca and 100mg of test are way to low of dosages and the cycle should be at least 12 weeks! I would not go near any gear until you have a full blood panel done first! Do you have any Idea how bad Orals like D-bol and A-drol are for your liver / kidneys??

my bad... I have deca 250 and test 300 and winstrol 50. I was gunna do 2cc of the deca and 1cc of the test a week with 2cc of the winstrol....so that would make my doses 500 deca 300 test and 100 winstrol a week. and i wont take the bunk dbols anymore.

[DEE151]

hey ain't the bottle of Novedex XT a product from gaspari nutrition? and your going to use that for your PCT ?

[DEE151]

bro you need to stop were you are right now you got your stuff all **** up big time.. and the funny thing about this is that your taking a GNC supp for your PCT you gots to be kidding me?
Novedex XT they sell that shit at GNC its not a PCT its a supp

[DEE151]

T-MOS
help this guy out he has no clue what he is doing (Novedex XT) for PCT

[cobranthony]

this is why I am here because i ask people I know and I get all dif answers on how to take this stuff. so I came on here to get advice...and so far only advice I got is to stop. So I will stop... and in a month I am going to take the all the stuff I got. And I will take it all wrong.

[ninesecz]

Firs off if you wer going to do a cycle ou would want it to look something like this
Week 1-4 Dbol-400-50mg ED
Week 1-14 Test Enth or Cyp 400-550mg Ew (done in 2 shots mon and thurs)
week 1-12 Deca 300-400mg Ew (done in 2 equal shots with the test)

Week 16 Start Pct Nolvadex 100/50/50/50
Week 16 Aromisin

With the gear you have yo do not have enough to even do a 6 week cycle properly let alone a 14 week cycle. If yo were going to really do it you would need more gear! not that I recommend doing any more for a least a year! Your body needs time to heal!

[ninesecz]

If you still are planning on taking it in a month then let someone else know and we can send flowers because you are going to end up killing yourself! Do you ever plan on having children? I hope not

[cobranthony]

my friend took that as PCT and he didnt get BT's

[seriousmass]

this is why I am here because i ask people I know and I get all dif answers on how to take this stuff. so I came on here to get advice...and so far only advice I got is to stop. So I will stop... and in a month I am going to take the all the stuff I got. And I will take it all wrong.

why should we care? your body is already going to be SO ****ed up from 1 year of d-bol mixed with deca & anadrol. Once you actually come off gear for like 5 weeks your free / total testosterone levels will crash. and you will be put on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for the rest of your life.

And if you don't go onto HRT you're probably going to be the most lethargic, useless, unmotivated person ever. Have fun buds.

[cobranthony]

If you still are planning on taking it in a month then let someone else know and we can send flowers because you are going to end up killing yourself! Do you ever plan on having children? I hope not

A WHOLE YEAR! this sucks how do these pro body builders look like they are freaks of nature? I doubt they ever come off the stuff and they are taking massive amounts of it!

[ninesecz]

your right but they have doctors, nutritonists, and a handful of other people that watch out for them! Also ask any of them and diet is 60-70% of the total package the juice got them past their natural potential and unless you are 6' tall 225# and 5%BF you are not there! Plus the pros do come off in the off season, they do what is called a bridge in between cycles to keep their test levels up! Like serious mass said once you stop for 6 weeks or so you test levels ar going to flatline!! No Joke you will get no more erections , have no , energy and make it almost impossible to stay lean or gain muscle!! and just so you know! If you would have done 6 weeks of Adrol75mg Ed with 25mg ED of Dbol and hit the Test and Deca corretly with diet you would have probably put on 10-25# of good lean muscle!! no joke! but now to get the gear to work properly you need to come off, train naturally and wait to see where your test and estrogen levels are. Jsut so you know. BT (or Gynecomostia) is only 1 of a 100 side effects and just cause your buddy did not get it means nothing ! If he is not prone to get it he might just have not got it!! I bet you would flip if you were to see our estrogen levels right now. you are probably a cock and balls away from being a chic LOL

[cobranthony]

well now that u guys just scared the F out of me I went and counted my dbols I have 1250 left...i bought them in august of 08 so I took about 750 in a year... so that averages about 2 a day... I think I did stop last sept for 2 months cause my side hurt. I didnt notice any crash or loss of energy just kept liftin.....but when I did the deca a few months ago I threw dbols in the mix. I only took 1cc of deca 300 for 10weeks and then I jumped right to the test and did 1cc of that for 10 weeks with a half cc of deca stayed on the dbols. I will stop now. hopefully not to much damage was done.

[cobranthony]

on the bright side the dbols are prolly bunk...because i am only 175 from what you guys are sayin.... i should be bigger if I was on them for that long.

[ninesecz]

yes but as I said.. diet is a big part of it! if you were not eatin g the right combination of protein to carbs to fat then all the steroids in the world will not work for you! Trust us. keep lifting and eat right. wait 3 months go have your doctor check your test levels and the bright side is you will more than likely get put on a weekly or bi-weekly shot of test cyp for the test inbalance. see that legal steroids. Just take and hold off on the pills and potions for a while it will be more benficial in the long run

[cobranthony]

now that i sat and thought about it...

you know why I got 2000 dbols...cause halfway through the anadrol 50 I contacted my supplier and was like I think these are junk...and he was like no way...And I was like yeah I am 165 pounds and I have been on this stuff for a month and I said how many people you know on anadrol 50 that are 165 pounds? so he said I will make good on it want 2000 dbols and I was for free and he said yeah. then boom 2000 white dbols. and you know what? they are junk too! and all this other stuff I been injecting in my ass is prolly junk too know whyyy??? cause im only 175 pounds!

[Zookl]

Givve oyur body a break and treat it like it should be. Detpx yourself and eat right for a while.. Go see a doctor..

[Reed]

I was 160 pounds when I started lifting 2 years ago...after 3 months started takin the dbols....yeah taking them for a year havn't stopped...I have 2000 of them so i take them like vitamins. they are 5 mg...5 a day.

I added 100 anadrol 50 in there last summer with the dbols. 1 a day plus 5 dbols. till they were gone

then I took a break with the anadrols and stayed on the 5 dbols.

then went on deca 300 1 cc a week with the 5 dbols for 10 weeks did not take a break anddddd....

right now I am on 1cc of enanthate 300 and 1/2 cc deca 300 per week and 5 dbols a day.

I plan on not taking a break and going right into the next cycle... I got blood work done a few weeks ago liver enzymes are up a little... sodium is up a little... and good cholesterol is down a little.


my doctor knows all about what im doing he said everything is good nothing to worry about.

I never took post cycle stuff cause I never stop taking anything. but I plan on stopping after this cycle for a month and doing the post cycle stuff. But who knows if I will.

Are you freaking kidding me. and your only a 175lbs thats insane. WTF is wrong with you? Your insides and blood work is a total wreck by now. You need to come off now and get your shit straight. This is what causes health problems and how steroids get a bad rap is from people with no care for themselves and us responsible ones have to take the blame.

I have only done 2 bulking cycles for 10 weeks and much space b/w the two and got to 243lbs at 10-12% and I'm only a WHOLE inch taller than you.


You apparently know nothing of diet and training. This is the primary issue. Not more drugs. You need to eat and train right, you probably don't even do legs do you?

I hope you don't end up with serious health issues with your type of I might come off thinking. You NEED to come off for your own sake.

[Reed]

If you have legit stuff your blood work would NOT be fine after a year of orals thats a fact. and any doctor in there right mind would NOT say your good and approve of such abuse

[cobranthony]

I got the blood work done and when he went over it with me he said your liver enzymes are a little high is there a reason why? you are only 31.

I said I was on the stuff didnt say what kind or how much. He said ok well thats why your sodium is up too... I said is it anything I should be worried about and he said no... So I am guessing I was taking to low of dose of the deca and the dbols are beat. Which I am kinda happy about now. But it was 10 weeks 1cc of deca and then directly to 8 weeks of 1cc of test and 1/2 cc of deca because I stilll have 2 shots left in the bottle. so in reality if the dbols and anadrol were junk I have only really been on a really low dose of juice for 18 weeks.

[T-MOS]

T-MOS
help this guy out he has no clue what he is doing (Novedex XT) for PCT

Damnnnnn I go out for the evening and this is what I come back to??

Cobra, are you TRYING to kill yourself???

Listen to these guys ,we are here to help you. WHY on earth would you put your body through this and risk permanent health issues for the rest of your life when you have NO CLUE what you are doing or how to do it correctly???

Even if your gear is bunk or low dose, you are taxing your organs and they WILL give out on you !!!!!

Your stats speak for themselves. PERIOD !! You are NOT doing this right

STOP NOW...do not touch a steroid for at least a YEAR !!! did you read that ? A WHOLE YEAR MINIMUM !!!

Stick around here, LEARN how to EAT TO GROW. I have not used 1/10 the crap you are using , and I gained 35 lbs on my cycle.

PLEASE.......IF you care at all about your future and your health STOP NOW.

We will gladly help you get things right so you can GROW and ACTUALLY make gains.

LISTEN TO REED HERE !!!

Are you freaking kidding me. and your only a 175lbs thats insane. WTF is wrong with you? Your insides and blood work is a total wreck by now. You need to come off now and get your shit straight. This is what causes health problems and how steroids get a bad rap is from people with no care for themselves and us responsible ones have to take the blame.

I have only done 2 bulking cycles for 10 weeks and much space b/w the two and got to 243lbs at 10-12% and I'm only a WHOLE inch taller than you.


You apparently know nothing of diet and training. This is the primary issue. Not more drugs. You need to eat and train right, you probably don't even do legs do you?

I hope you don't end up with serious health issues with your type of I might come off thinking. You NEED to come off for your own sake.

[jbm]

[cobranthony]

Trust me Im done...im just gunna keep working out...I probably wasted alot of time and money doing this. Im a nervous wreck right now. I dont want to mess myself up...and now I lost my job so I dont have benefits so I cant even go to the doctor....

I was asking my friend who i thought knew what he was talking about. he used juice alot...and said if I had questions ask him so I did. Didnt want to join a steroid forum because I thought there were narcs on here.

[T-MOS]

Trust me Im done...im just gunna keep working out...I probably wasted alot of time and money doing this. Im a nervous wreck right now. I dont want to mess myself up...and now I lost my job so I dont have benefits so I cant even go to the doctor....

I was asking my friend who i thought knew what he was talking about. he used juice alot...and said if I had questions ask him so I did. Didnt want to join a steroid forum because I thought there were narcs on here.

You came to the right place. There is more knowledge on this board ,then any doctor has or street juicers.

Narcs may be here, but we always claim that this is JUST a discussion board, it is NOT illegal to discuss steroids or hypothetical steroid situations.

this is ALL for entertainment purposes only ! *wink**wink*

[Reed]

I got the blood work done and when he went over it with me he said your liver enzymes are a little high is there a reason why? you are only 31.

I said I was on the stuff didnt say what kind or how much. He said ok well thats why your sodium is up too... I said is it anything I should be worried about and he said no... So I am guessing I was taking to low of dose of the deca and the dbols are beat. Which I am kinda happy about now. But it was 10 weeks 1cc of deca and then directly to 8 weeks of 1cc of test and 1/2 cc of deca because I stilll have 2 shots left in the bottle. so in reality if the dbols and anadrol were junk I have only really been on a really low dose of juice for 18 weeks.

Deca by itself is a horrible cycle.

Granted the liver scare is overrated. But I'm thinking about your blood pressure, HDL/LDL levels etc. I just chose not to believe that if you were taking some type of 17aa like dbol that your shit would not be out of whack after a year of use IF your source is legit.

If not then why are you still buying stuff from him if he sells you fake shit.

Either the dbol is fake, your doc is a quack, or you're lying.......

My boy T-Mos is right, you need to stop any more cycling. After a whole year of juicing and you still sit smaller and weaker than many high school and college level football players who are natural? Thats gotta suck the big one.


Its time to get down in dirty in the trenches of the diet forum and workout forum, put the juice a way for a while and learn to gain the right way. You train and eat right you'll see that you can make gains. But you can't be doing this half-assed being a party boy drinking and just doing it for girls. Those are the jerk offs that just need to give up with there BIG HUGE 16inch bloated, fatty arms, that may impress some stupid club whore but that'll come down to a whole 14 inches once the body fat is in a lean spot.


Lets go ahead and see your training program and what you eat now?

[cobranthony]

so you think i will be ok if I stop now? or you think im screwed?

[Reed]

Trust me Im done...im just gunna keep working out...I probably wasted alot of time and money doing this. Im a nervous wreck right now. I dont want to mess myself up...and now I lost my job so I dont have benefits so I cant even go to the doctor....

I was asking my friend who i thought knew what he was talking about. he used juice alot...and said if I had questions ask him so I did. Didnt want to join a steroid forum because I thought there were narcs on here.

That a boy!


Still list your diet and training