Wow! 3 Days and I am on fire!

[killagorilla187]

I just finished my Friday Arm workout and I felt something different, I knew something kicked in. I got some sick pumps and was stronger, this is pretty awesome!

I am taking 100 mg test prop eod, today was my 3rd day. (2nd inject)
50mg tbol daily
50mg winstrol daily
1mg armidex eod

I never took tbol, also never took test prop and havent taken any test in 5 years. I think im turning into an animal! hahah


I think i might make a log for this cycle.

[Juice Authority]

I just finished my Friday Arm workout and I felt something different, I knew something kicked in. I got some sick pumps and was stronger, this is pretty awesome!

I am taking 100 mg test prop eod, today was my 3rd day. (2nd inject)
50mg tbol daily
50mg winstrol daily
1mg armidex eod - why?

I never took tbol, also never took test prop and havent taken any test in 5 years. I think im turning into an animal! hahah


I think i might make a log for this cycle.

Above.

[killagorilla187]

I am taking the armidex because I am gyno prone, have slight gyno and want as minimal water retention as i can get. I dont care if my gains are not as good as they should be because of lowered estrogen. I would rather be safe than sorry.

[Juice Authority]

I guess the better question is why so much?

[killagorilla187]

Guess im being over careful, nice join date, same as me.

[Juice Authority]

Guess im being over careful, nice join date, same as me.

Ok, let me give you my perspective because I'm gyno prone too. Your cycle is mildly estrogenic and that's a lot of a-dex. You would probably be just fine on a low dose of Nolva and your libido won't take a nosedive either.

Winny actually helps somewhat with estrogen. Winny is a 5-alpha reduced substrate, which interferes with the primary enzyme for aromatase. Now I'm not suggesting to use winny as an anti-e. That would crazy BUT it does slow the rate of aromatization so imo, is has anti-estrogenic like properties.

T-bol has a 4-chloro attachment which inhibits its ability aromatize.

And finally, the aromatization rate Prop into estrogen is much less than with other forms of test, which is why many, myself included, use prop when cutting.

Here are some good facts on Prop: Hopefully the link posts.

Link didn't post.

[Reed]

Agreed with JA. What is your current stats if you don't mind and how many cycles is this. Nolva can help solve the issue and not crash estro levels.

[killagorilla187]

How many cycles have I done? This is my 4th cycle, but only used test in my 1st cycle. I did the "hated" winstrol only cycle and got in the best shape of my life.

stats:
6"4 270lbs 12-14% bodyfat 26 years old

I do not understand why its like against the rules to use a stronger anti-e to be cautious. I have enough of the a-dex to run the whole cycle, so im going to use. I also do not want any bloating what so ever. If .5mg eod would work just as good as 1mg eod, I will need to find a pill cutter. I am aware of estrogen purpose in building muscle.

I appreciate the feedback, my body is going to soak what ever i put in it like a sponge so im going to get good results regardless.

[Juice Authority]

How many cycles have I done? This is my 4th cycle, but only used test in my 1st cycle. I did the "hated" winstrol only cycle and got in the best shape of my life.

stats:
6"4 270lbs 12-14% bodyfat 26 years old

I do not understand why its like against the rules to use a stronger anti-e to be cautious. I have enough of the a-dex to run the whole cycle, so im going to use. I also do not want any bloating what so ever. If .5mg eod would work just as good as 1mg eod, I will need to find a pill cutter. I am aware of estrogen purpose in building muscle.

I appreciate the feedback, my body is going to soak what ever i put in it like a sponge so im going to get good results regardless.

If you don't get the same libido killing effects from a-dex as I do, especially at that dose, then go for it. You know your body better than any of us. I thought you were looking for feedback.

[Reed]

How many cycles have I done? This is my 4th cycle, but only used test in my 1st cycle. I did the "hated" winstrol only cycle and got in the best shape of my life.

stats:
6"4 270lbs 12-14% bodyfat 26 years old

I do not understand why its like against the rules to use a stronger anti-e to be cautious. I have enough of the a-dex to run the whole cycle, so im going to use. I also do not want any bloating what so ever. If .5mg eod would work just as good as 1mg eod, I will need to find a pill cutter. I am aware of estrogen purpose in building muscle.

I appreciate the feedback, my body is going to soak what ever i put in it like a sponge so im going to get good results regardless.

Hey no problem I was just wondering how much you had developed or how big you had got since you seem to use the AI's.

I'd look into nolva to help gyno sides, there is research to show it helps in gyno cases. I'm sure you know the difference b/w SERMs and AIs......

the articles are some where in War's thread of nolva and gyno: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916


and importance of estrogen: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...tance+estrogen

^^^ excellent read

Just trying help, good luck buddy

[killagorilla187]

I appreciate the feedback, if my libido starts getting screwed up I will reduce dosage.

I am also taking some good supplements that will help with libido. I take a product called Powerfull, its an awesome over the counter product. Its advertised as a gh enhancer but the main reason i take it is because it really helps me sleep deeper, also boosts libido quite nicely. Also taking maca, its a good adaptogen like ginseng, but is known for its libido enhancing effects. I take a whole arsenal of antioxidants, all the vitamins.

And even with the a-dex, i think the test will boost my sex drive.


I am not really concerned with adding maximum size during this cycle, I will be happy with the results no matter what. I put out my fair share of work in the gym and do things properly.

[Reed]

I mean that is such a high dose of arimidex I bet .25mg eod would be the better route then increase if need be. Best to start low the work up then go down IMO

Its not just about libido, its also muscle mass that is dramatically affected

[Juice Authority]

And even with the a-dex, i think the test will boost my sex drive.

Not my experience but we're all different. I was running Test E, TNE, dbol and Deca and started getting massive estrogen build. 1mg literally killed my sex drive and it was in the shitter the entire time I ran a-dex even at a reduced dose. Thankfully I was able to get rid of the gyno symptoms, drop the a-dex and maintain on a low dose of Nolva. For me, AIs override Test as far as libido function.

[doctorclaus]

Ok, let me give you my perspective because I'm gyno prone too. Your cycle is mildly estrogenic and that's a lot of a-dex. You would probably be just fine on a low dose of Nolva and your libido won't take a nosedive either.

Winny actually helps somewhat with estrogen. Winny is a 5-alpha reduced substrate, which interferes with the primary enzyme for aromatase. Now I'm not suggesting to use winny as an anti-e. That would crazy BUT it does slow the rate of aromatization so imo, is has anti-estrogenic like properties.

T-bol has a 4-chloro attachment which inhibits its ability aromatize.

And finally, the aromatization rate Prop into estrogen is much less than with other forms of test i do not think so from everything ive read over 6 yrs prop turns into estro quicker than any other test....e please correct me if im wrong but the faster acting the ester the quicker it aromatizes, which is why many, myself included, use prop when cutting.

Here are some good facts on Prop: Hopefully the link posts.

Link didn't post.

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[killagorilla187]

looking alittle fuller today.

I got deadlifts today and am quite interested on how its going to go. Last night trying to sleep was not easy, for some reason i was feeling aggressive and tossing and turning alot.


I just got back from the gym and stuff is working! On my last set of deadlifts i usually can only get 2-3 reps going all out effort, with that same weight today I did 5-6 reps with less effort! This is pretty amazing after only 4 days.