1st Cyle after 6yr lay-off

[quaker48]

Looking to put a cycle together after a 6-yr lay-off from juice NOT training and nutrition.

Cyle history
1st cyle - eq 500mgs 4 weeks( jack ass age 20)
2nd cyle- 500mg's test E 10 weeks, 300 mgs deca 9 weeks, clomid PCT,
One go around of M1t for 4 weeks



stat's 5"8, 26, currently 175, but having been cutting down normally 185-190, between 11-9% BF. Training is in check. also nutrition ( nutritent and supplemention timing in check as well)


Up coming cyle thoughts after 6yr lay off



OT 40mgs weeks 1-6
EQ 400mgs weeks 1-10
Test Cyp. 500mgs 1-12

Arimidex weeks 1-12 .5mgs per day and all the way through PCT along with clomid


Like to know thoughts or changes that should be looked into? i know alot of people run eq longer at least 12 might possibly do this.

[alpmaster]

Looks ok, but EQ seems too low and for too short of a time, not to mention it being just too pointless :P. The Adex is too high, try .25mg ED or EOD. And if you want to run an AI during PCT, use Aromasin instead, as Nolva will interfere with Adex anyway.

PCT should include Nolva, I would do this standard PCT:

Clomid 100/75/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Good luck with the gains.

[seriousmass]

Looking to put a cycle together after a 6-yr lay-off from juice NOT training and nutrition.

Cyle history
1st cyle - eq 500mgs 4 weeks( jack ass age 20)
2nd cyle- 500mg's test E 10 weeks, 300 mgs deca 9 weeks, clomid PCT,
One go around of M1t for 4 weeks

These cycles are all messed!! actually. I mean EQ for 4 weeks, lol wtf?? you might have screwed up your natural test production from these terribly designed cycles.. you might want to get your blood-work done to make sure..



stat's 5"8, 26, currently 175, but having been cutting down normally 185-190, between 11-9% BF. Training is in check. also nutrition ( nutritent and supplemention timing in check as well)

good mass for someone your size.


Up coming cyle thoughts after 6yr lay off



OT 40mgs weeks 1-6 what the f*ck is OT?
EQ 400mgs weeks 1-10
Test Cyp. 500mgs 1-12

Basically, after 6 years all you really need is Test-Cyp for 12 - 14 weeks, and you should get great results. However, if you want to add the EQ thats fine, seeing as it's so mild, but this is how i'd run it:

Test-Cyp (weeks 1 - 14) @ 500mg
EQ (weeks 1 - 14) @ 600mg

Arimidex weeks 1-12 .5mgs and all the way through PCT along with clomid

why are you taking a-dex? are you gyno prone? it will hamper your gains if you take it ED @ .5mg for the whole cycle... especially if it isn't necessary


Like to know thoughts or changes that should be looked into? i know alot of people run eq longer at least 12 might possibly do this.

people run EQ for about 14 weeks... better results. it takes forever to kick in... and barely works then imo haha.

advice in bold.. hope that helps.

[quaker48]

advice in bold.. hope that helps.

OT is T-bol thanks for your advice.

[peachfuzz]

alpmaster summed it up nicely.

[quaker48]

Looks ok, but EQ seems too low and for too short of a time, not to mention it being just too pointless :P. The Adex is too high, try .25mg ED or EOD. And if you want to run an AI during PCT, use Aromasin instead, as Nolva will interfere with Adex anyway.

PCT should include Nolva, I would do this standard PCT:

Clomid 100/75/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Good luck with the gains.

will make the changes to PCT thanks bro

[wharton]

If your gonna run EQ you need to do it around 600-1000mg/wk for at least 12 weeks If its your first cycle back Think about running Test cyp alone @500mg/wk for 10-12weeks, with you been off for so long you will see good gains from this and it cost less.

[quaker48]

If your gonna run EQ you need to do it around 600-1000mg/wk for at least 12 weeks If its your first cycle back Think about running Test cyp alone @500mg/wk for 10-12weeks, with you been off for so long you will see good gains from this and it cost less.

Yes I think going to drop the eq after hearing everybodies thoughts, but still keep the t-bol what you think? and make the changes to PCT.

[peachfuzz]

that would work^

or just extend the length of the cycle and run the EQ. whatever you like.