Just finished first cycle and thinking of Second

[RANE2001]

Just about finished my first cycle of test cyp and winny. Hated the winny will never do it again. Loved the Test Cyp. now I have gained about 25 lbs and have gained alot of size people around me cant believe it. but anyway I am happy with the results. Thursday will be my last shot of test and then I will start PCT 2 weeks after that.
which will be Nolva at 40 a day for 1 week and then 20 a day for 2 weeks. is this enough?

I am planing on starting this cycle in about three months to give my body some time off

My next cycle I am thinking about will be tren a and test prop.

here is what I am thinking

Tren a 100mg ED for 8 weeks
Test prop 100mg ED for 12 weeks

PCT? don't know what a good pct for this cycle would be.
Thanks for the help.

[T-MOS]

How long was this first cycle?
Tren is NOT for a second cycle, try deca first
PCT should be MORE than just Nolva, add clomid as well and should run minimum 4 weeks

Time Off= Time on + pct time

so if the cycle was 12 weeks, and you do a 4week minimum PCT , then you need to wait a total of 16 weeks AFTER pct before starting another cycle UNLESS you get bloodwork done and it shows ALL your levels are back to normal

[Papa Smurf]

Better get you first PCT straightened out first BRO! Get some clomid to run with your Nolva!

[Papa Smurf]

Dang T, you changing avatar every week now bro?

[RANE2001]

How long was this first cycle?
Tren is NOT for a second cycle, try deca first
PCT should be MORE than just Nolva, add clomid as well and should run minimum 4 weeks

Time Off= Time on + pct time

so if the cycle was 12 weeks, and you do a 4week minimum PCT , then you need to wait a total of 16 weeks AFTER pct before starting another cycle UNLESS you get bloodwork done and it shows ALL your levels are back to normal

Cycle was 12 weeks...so how should I run the Nolva and Clomid? I can pick up Clomid today.

And I understand that it is not a good second cycle but I am heart set on it. yes I am stubborn.

[T-MOS]

I like Swifto's PCT guide.check it out

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

[Papa Smurf]

Rana: TrenA and Prop can be two pretty big bears to be taking on together.
I know TrenA is on my tado list as well but after a couple more cycles of cyp/deca first.

Have you shot Prop before? Maybe that ane some deca would be a good next cycle.
But hey, if ya do shot the TrenA and Prop and make it, we hope, then post up please, Im interested in your results.

[Hunter]

Cycle was 12 weeks...so how should I run the Nolva and Clomid? I can pick up Clomid today.

And I understand that it is not a good second cycle but I am heart set on it. yes I am stubborn.

Run your tren at 50mgs and your prop at 75. No reason to have your doses that high on a second cycle also, 19 nors are known for difficult recovery. I hope you educate yourself on prolactin related gyno to.

[RANE2001]

Eroc1313 no I have never shot prop before. This was my first Cyle of anything really..

T-MOS I am going to do the 1-4 week of Nolva/clomid as Swifto stated but also states a Labido Enhancer is that really necessary? Do I take both the clomid and Nolva at the same time? I dont want to loose my labido so this PCT should return everything back to normal correct?

I regret not taking before and after pics of this cycle because it was such a big change. but will do it once I start my next cycle and post them up.

[RANA]

Running Tren A at 100mg ED is a bit high, if anything start at 75mg, if you have minimal sides after 4-5 weeks you can increase. Start with 50mg ed of prop, your most likely want to feel the tren work. Do a lot of research for both what you need on the cycle and also PCT.
Its very important to have everything on hand prior to starting, nothing worse then needing something and having to wait two weeks for it to arrive.

Good luck

[T-MOS]

Its not bad to have a libido enhancer in case you have issues during pct

Prop is known for its painful shots
I am on prop now shooting everyday and the injection site is sore for 3 days after shot. Not unbearable, but uncomfortable. and considering I have about 8 injection sites, that means parts of me are sore at ALL times

[RANE2001]

So is the 8 weeks on Tren A and 12 Weeks on Prop a good amount of time or is it going to be too long of a Cycle? Also What about PCT for this Cycle? Sorry for all the questions just want to have all bases covered before starting.

[Hunter]

So is the 8 weeks on Tren A and 12 Weeks on Prop a good amount of time or is it going to be too long of a Cycle? Also What about PCT for this Cycle? Sorry for all the questions just want to have all bases covered before starting.

I would keep caber on hand and take b-6 through out the cycle. I would also use hcg starting around week 8 since most studies say it is very benificial.

[TITANIUM]

Clomid,Tamo , and HCG.These are needed.Get your PCT straight first.And TREN is a bad choice for a second cycle.People that are posting here should not encourage this.Run a test E cycle with deca and d-ball.Just make sure you have a estro killer on hand.

[RANE2001]

no one is encouraging anything but people are going to do what they are going to do. Wouldn't you want them to have the best possible information on hand to at least minimize the bad? Listen no matter what I am going to run this cycle yes I know it shouldn't be but I am at least asking how I can run it the safest way. notice i said safest not safe. I know that I am going to get sides, but I would rather minimize them by asking here, at least that is the reason these boards exists no? I just ran my first cycle and didn't really have any "bad" sides. I did get the aggression, sweating even when not doing anything and now the cramping and joint pain from the winny. all things I expected but I ran it anyways. But I am also going to follow the PCT that people are telling me here to a T to minimize any after affects.

Thanks!

[AllPumpedUp]

I always kept my cycling to 2 a year. any more you start to abuse the body too much! I would say a good rule of thumb is to start a good bulking strength cycle in September then do a toning cutting cycle starting mid February hat way you have sufficient time between cycles and just when the cutter is over, spring will have sprung

[Immortal Soldier]

no one is encouraging anything but people are going to do what they are going to do. Wouldn't you want them to have the best possible information on hand to at least minimize the bad? Listen no matter what I am going to run this cycle yes I know it shouldn't be but I am at least asking how I can run it the safest way. notice i said safest not safe. I know that I am going to get sides, but I would rather minimize them by asking here, at least that is the reason these boards exists no? I just ran my first cycle and didn't really have any "bad" sides. I did get the aggression, sweating even when not doing anything and now the cramping and joint pain from the winny. all things I expected but I ran it anyways. But I am also going to follow the PCT that people are telling me here to a T to minimize any after affects.

Thanks!

Just take enough time off or else you are just wasting cash and limiting gains because your body needs to go though a period of desensitization since it has become use to the steroids that were in your body.