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    Gyno Reversal Log

    So I've had some gyno for about 3 years now. I have no idea exactly what caused it, but my guess is from bad pct after winny, superdrol, or epistane. It was originally in my right, went away, now in my left. I have <10 bf, so i can easily monitor any progress. It is about the size of a nickel. My plan is similar to the Cbino protocol (forget where it's from)--letro followed by ralox.

    Day 1: .25mg Letro
    Day 2: .5mg
    Day 3: .75mg
    Day 4: 1mg
    Day 5: 1.25mg ---> I plan on staying here for about a week to see how I feel. May increase to 2.5mg ed if need be.

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    I'm on day 4 now, been dosing in the morning. I felt an odd pain in my mid back after doing a set of external rotators (strange) yesterday, almost like i had slept in a bad postition. It still hurts today, not sure if its related to letro, but i'll see how it goes. I'm not noticing any decrease in sex drive or anything else yet, but i'll continue to update frequently.

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    keep us posted

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    Day 5: 1.25mg

    -back still kinds hurts, not sleeping the best--again though, can't be sure these things are related to letro...i'm going to stay at this dose for 5-7 days and see what happens
    -sex drive, energy level are still normal
    -as a side note i am also dieting during this time. I am eating very low carb, <20ed
    and taking yohimbe, maca, horny goat weed, milk thistle, and fish oil
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    Back now feels better...nothing to worry about...workouts have been good
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    day 6: 1.5mg

    so far nothing really...g2 be patient...sex drive is definitely not decreased...joints feel fine...i am actually gonna increase .25mg ed until 2.5mg where ill stay

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    Hopefully it works out for you bro. I got some Gyno here now and my nipple is bigger than the other one and its puffed out and tender, I hate it....

    I tried 40mg of Nolva ED for 7 days then did 20mg for 7 days and nothing.. didn't do squat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atibbo View Post
    Hopefully it works out for you bro. I got some Gyno here now and my nipple is bigger than the other one and its puffed out and tender, I hate it....

    I tried 40mg of Nolva ED for 7 days then did 20mg for 7 days and nothing.. didn't do squat!
    yea im trying to be patient....im gonna giv it at least 8 weeks of letro plus strict dieting...anything i can to help without surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    yea im trying to be patient....im gonna giv it at least 8 weeks of letro plus strict dieting...anything i can to help without surgery
    Yes keep posting! I have a little gyno in my left, do not think the right nip is bad and just started a cycle, no sensitivity yet though. I have some letro and nolva on hand but the letro pills are already tiny and are 2.5mg, so best I can probably do is cut in half to get to 1.25, cannot imagine dosing .25! Trying to figure out my options once this 10 week cycle is over!

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    Day 7: 1.75mg
    still nothing too different....vascularity slightly increased most likely due to combination of letro and diet, but energy and sex drive is normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Day 7: 1.75mg
    still nothing too different....vascularity slightly increased most likely due to combination of letro and diet, but energy and sex drive is normal
    I've decided to just get surgery and get it over with, mine is really bothering me and I just want it to be gone. Good luck with yours though bro I hope it works out for you.

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    Day 8: 2mg

    Nothing further to add as of now...

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    Right now I have been taking for the last 8 days:

    1 2.5mg Letro
    1 20mg nolvadex
    I take them every 12 hrs... so 10am and 10pm ED.

    I am currently on:
    1cc, 150mg Primo EOD
    3cc, 200mg Cyp (every 4th day)
    for about 2 months now.

    My gyno was almost the size of a golf ball under both nipples for over 2 years since I never took care of it before and never did PCT.

    Now they have both gone down half the size..
    My sex drive is through the roof and everything is normal and my gyno is going down. Not sure how long I will be taking it for but so far so good!

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    I'm following this also..... I got rid of a small lump under my left nip completely..... my right niplpe is a tad puffy and has a small lump in there..... nolva seems ot have shrunk it. I'm going to be in PCT in less than 2 weeks so i'm going to load up on the nolva and hope i can get rid of the right one too.

    ~Haz~

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    Day 9: 2.25mg

    still no changes..tomorrow when my max dosage of 2.5mg begins, so will my diet...to hfbd, nolva reduces letros effectiveness if taken at the same time...
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    I had a friend that just followed this same protocal and had success, although his gf was giving him hell because about 4 weeks into the letro his sex drive was zapped! Good luck bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Day 9: 2.25mg

    still no changes..tomorrow when my max dosage of 2.5mg begins, so will my diet...to hfbd, nolva reduces letros effectiveness if taken at the same time...
    So is it better to just take letro then without nolva? Cuz I heard taking both is very good to do at the same time from a few people. And so far the results are very very good doing this twice a day every 12hrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    So is it better to just take letro then without nolva? Cuz I heard taking both is very good to do at the same time from a few people. And so far the results are very very good doing this twice a day every 12hrs

    Yes...see below...also...letro's half-life is 2 days, so you don't really need to separate it into 2 different doses each day unless its a personal preference

    Originally posted by hhajdo............

    tamoxifen can decrease plasma levels of letrozole ...

    Drug and hormone interactions of aromatase inhibitors.

    Dowsett M.

    Academic Department of Biochemistry, The Royal Marsden NHS Trust, London, UK.

    The clinical development of aromatase inhibitors has been largely confined to postmenopausal breast cancer patients and strongly guided by pharmacological data. Comparative oestrogen suppression has been helpful in circumstances in which at least one of the comparitors has caused substantially non-maximal aromatase inhibition. However, the triazole inhibitors, letrozole and anastrozole, and the steroidal inhibitor, exemestane, all cause >95% inhibition. Comparisons between these drugs therefore require more sensitive approaches such as the direct measurement of enzyme activity by isotopic means. None of these three agents has significant effects on other endocrine pathways at its clinically applied doses. Pharmacokinetic analyses of the combination of tamoxifen and letrozole have revealed that these drugs interact, resulting in letrozole concentrations approximately 35-40% lower than when letrozole is used alone.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
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    ...im going to update each week instead of each day from now on since nothing really changes in one day...

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    ok keep us posted, im currently on cycle and im also taking letro 2.5mg a day to try and reverse my gyno behind my right nipple. fingers crossed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Yes...see below...also...letro's half-life is 2 days, so you don't really need to separate it into 2 different doses each day unless its a personal preference

    Originally posted by hhajdo............

    tamoxifen can decrease plasma levels of letrozole ...

    Drug and hormone interactions of aromatase inhibitors.

    Dowsett M.

    Academic Department of Biochemistry, The Royal Marsden NHS Trust, London, UK.

    The clinical development of aromatase inhibitors has been largely confined to postmenopausal breast cancer patients and strongly guided by pharmacological data. Comparative oestrogen suppression has been helpful in circumstances in which at least one of the comparitors has caused substantially non-maximal aromatase inhibition. However, the triazole inhibitors, letrozole and anastrozole, and the steroidal inhibitor, exemestane, all cause >95% inhibition. Comparisons between these drugs therefore require more sensitive approaches such as the direct measurement of enzyme activity by isotopic means. None of these three agents has significant effects on other endocrine pathways at its clinically applied doses. Pharmacokinetic analyses of the combination of tamoxifen and letrozole have revealed that these drugs interact, resulting in letrozole concentrations approximately 35-40% lower than when letrozole is used alone.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
    Yup.

    Found and read this again yesterday.

    That link is dead: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10731107?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.P ubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citatio nsensor

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    Interesting post,,,keep us posted on progress.

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    I am on day 13 of doing my letro:
    Well I have switched from doing letro + nolva twice a day (every 12 hrs)
    to just doing letro at 12pm ED now.

    I am on day 13 and from having golf ball size gyno under both nipples for about 2 years. I now have 0 gyno under my left nipple and my right nipple I still have it but its almost completely gone now..

    I give it about another week and my gyno will totally be gone.. and remember I have never done PCT and my gyno has been huge for 2 years. So this method truely works fantastic.. As my sex drive is still awesome.
    Though I am still on my cycle and have 4 months left.. doing a 24 week cycle.
    So far so good. Everything is normal for eating, sex, workout and gains.

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    JPL-315
    How is your progress coming along? I have some pesky gyno in my left nip that really fluctuates. My bodyfat is not as low as yours, I dont really know what it is. I have been running letro and nolva to get rid of my gyno for several weeks now. I am currently on a d-bol cycle and will be running test prop and then winstrol towards the end.

    hfpd-

    You said that you completely got rid of golf ball sized lumps in both of your nips that you had for two years after two weeks? What exactly did you do?

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    I am going to give this a run to.

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    so is it best to do this method on cycle or off? Or dies it really matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtrain View Post
    JPL-315
    How is your progress coming along? I have some pesky gyno in my left nip that really fluctuates. My bodyfat is not as low as yours, I dont really know what it is. I have been running letro and nolva to get rid of my gyno for several weeks now. I am currently on a d-bol cycle and will be running test prop and then winstrol towards the end.

    hfpd-

    You said that you completely got rid of golf ball sized lumps in both of your nips that you had for two years after two weeks? What exactly did you do?
    As I said above this is all I have done exactly.

    1 2.5mg Letro
    1 20mg nolvadex
    I take them every 12 hrs... so 10am and 10pm ED.

    I am currently on:
    1cc, 150mg Primo EOD
    3cc, 200mg Cyp (every 4th day)
    for about 2 months now.

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    well its day 16...i really don't think anything has happened so far...size hasnt changed, either has energy levels or sex drive...its still early though

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    well its day 16...i really don't think anything has happened so far...size hasnt changed, either has energy levels or sex drive...its still early though
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.
    Thats impressive bro. I wish my gyno would go away. I have been on letro and nolva for months now and cant seem to get rid of this little thing in my left nip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtrain View Post
    Thats impressive bro. I wish my gyno would go away. I have been on letro and nolva for months now and cant seem to get rid of this little thing in my left nip.
    Ya I guess im luckly thank god... Wow for months hey? Im only gonna do it for another week... I dont feel like messing my body up to much from taking letro.. Need some estrogen to keep gaining, and want a bit of water retention. Since im 5% body fat and ******. I need to get some more bulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.
    day 20: NOTHING
    yea thatd make sense...youre lucky i guess...i have heard from many that it doesn't work though...maybe i should try raloxifene...

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    Ya I been taking it for 19 days now...
    sex drive, eating, all that is all normal still and rocking =)

    Left side is all gone but right side doesnt seem to be doing anything anymore.. Its gone down a tremendous amount... Gonna stop taking letro and start on arimidex EOD now.

    Anyone know how to get rid of the puffy nipple now though? The gyno is pretty much gone but I still got the bitch tit look, pointy kinda lookin nips now. stupid... Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    Ya I been taking it for 19 days now...
    sex drive, eating, all that is all normal still and rocking =)

    Left side is all gone but right side doesnt seem to be doing anything anymore.. Its gone down a tremendous amount... Gonna stop taking letro and start on arimidex EOD now.

    Anyone know how to get rid of the puffy nipple now though? The gyno is pretty much gone but I still got the bitch tit look, pointy kinda lookin nips now. stupid... Any suggestions?
    Surgery is probably going to be your only opinion in the long run bro..

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    I would love to know how to get rid of puffy nipples, I have always had them, even though I've always been under 15% bf my whole life. It sucks, and I'd rather find another way than surgery.

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    If anyone has any ideas please help and post them so I can try them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TractionIssues View Post
    I would love to know how to get rid of puffy nipples, I have always had them, even though I've always been under 15% bf my whole life. It sucks, and I'd rather find another way than surgery.

    i mean if you can't feel anything behind your nipple, you can simply try to get as cut as possible and see if that works...

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    Ya.. I am 5% body fat and have that puffy nipple problem.. and 0 lump under my left nipple... sucks... got a small small lump under my right but nothing like before how i had golf ball size under both.

    and i cant seem to get rid of this puffy nipple crap. stupid bitch tit

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