experts? failure to thrive?

[Twist]

I have been having the hardest time making gains even while working with some very knowledgeable people. My diet, training, rest etc is 100% in check and I am still not making gains.
So this leads me to ask this question

If while growing up (age 5-17 -at 17 I reached my current height) I ate like

shit (candy and redbull - I would say 15g of protein a day) and did a lot of

exercise (sponsored skateboarder so lots of cardio 5-7 hours a day), could

that have affected the amount of muscle I have to work with? If I am not

mistaken doesn't your body create NEW muscle in that time frame? If so

wouldn't having a problem such as failure to thrive

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_to_thrive) cause the body to make

small amounts of new muscle. I feel like I have gotten the muscle fibers I

currently have as big as they can be.

I am starting to think that growth hormone might be the way to go. however it is way to expensive to just throw some money at. especially since it has to be run for such a long time.

[alpmaster]

No.

Post your diet and training regime.

[Twist]

my diet and training has been posted and edited. here is a quick summary.
Diet
This diet was to maintain. I doubled mostly everything in here and added 3 more meals.
added meals: 4cups rice 2white, 2brown, 1 avocado, 4 cans of tuna, 1lb of steak filet mignon, and 2 bags of veggies
MEAL 1
5 egg whites 14.3g protein, 1.2g carbs, 85.5 calories, 2.5 fat cal
2 whole eggs 12.3g protein, 1.3g carbs, 166.9 calories, 110.1 fat cal
1 cup oatmeal 6.1g protein, 25.4g carbs, 145.3 calories, 20 fat cal
32.7g protein, 27.9g carbs, 266.7 calories – 132.6 from fat
Optional: lean protein shake

MEAL 2
6 oz. boneless skinless chicken breast 31.9g protein, og carbs, 211 calories, 75.2 fat cal
1 cup broccoli 4.4g protein, 13.2g carbs, 102.6 calories, 44.5 fat cal
36.3g protein, 13.2g carbs, 313.6 calories, 139.7 fat cal
add brown rice

WORKOUT

PWO NUTRITION
Bcaa, atleast 40g protein, carbs – all from protein shake/ vitamins

MEAL 3
4oz deli turkey 15.3g protein, 8.7g carbs, 127 calories, 30.6 fat cal
2 slices whole wheat bread 5.7g protein, 24.5g carbs, 137.8 calories, 17 fat cal
tomato slice .18g protein, .78g carbs, 3.6 calories, .33 fat cal
21.18g protein, 33.98 carbs, 268.4 calories, 47.93 fat cal

MEAL 4
Lean steak 8oz 67.7g protein, 0g carbs, 424 Calories, 135.6 fat cal
1 cup brown rice 14.2g protein, 144.7g carbs, 687.8 calories, 42.6 fat cal
81.9g protein, 144.7g carbs, 1,111.8 calories, 178.2 fat cal

Total: 162.08g protein, 219.78g carbs, 1960.5 calories, 498.43 fat cal

BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kilos) + (5 X height in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)
Bmr = 66 + (13.7 x 70.3068065) + (5 x 172.72) – (6.8 x 21)
66 + 963.203249 + 863.6 – 142.8

BMR = 1,750.00325
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.375
- If you are Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week)
1,750.00325 x 1.375 = 2,406.25447

daily caloric need – 2,406.25447

added meals: 4cups rice 2white, 2brown, 1 avocado, 4 cans of tuna, 1lb of steak filet mignon, and 2 bags of veggies

Training split
day1 hams, calves, shoulders
day2 quads, back
day3 chest
day4 squats, lunges
day5 arms

2 or 3 days break in there

21
5'8"
155lbs

[Hazard]

Just regarding your training.... i don't like your split....

You're doing your quads and getting them full of blood..... then doing back (another large muscle group) right after them...... your body doesn't know where to send all the blood to.

I'd get someone to work on your training routine for sure......

How much sleep are you getting? If all else fails..... eat more.... LOL

~Haz~

[Twist]

I train quads and back separately like that is twi different times at the gym. my split has been so many different things and none has worked. can't break past 155 in muscle. I can eat shit and gain fat but that is about it. sleep for about 10-12 hours and eat twisce during those 10-12 (tuna and shake)

I am asking is it possible that I failed to grow the muscle that fills you out when you get older? I was young and did all kinds of speed like drugs and didn't give my body anything to work with. could hgh be the solution?

[Hazard]

I ate like complete crap all through HS..... never did drugs..... but ate anything and everything without regard for my health LOL..... I never got fat tho. I just stayed a skinny pr*ck until I started training hard AND eating right...... then the weight came.

I was 175lbs wet in HS.... sitting on 235lbs right now. It's possible to go from super skinny to weighing 220+ - it just takes a while.... and a ton of dedication.

Have you ran any cycles? just curious.....

~Haz~

[WilliamCutting]

I agree with Hazard. I'm 6' 1" and weighed 160 lbs. when I graduated high school. I'm 32 now and weigh 230 with 14% body fat.

The condition "failure to thrive" in my opinion certainly does not seem to fit your situation.

[Dancer]

I was s distance runner in high school and early college... I grad weight 125... by my late 20s I was up to 240s...

It takes time...

No matter how good your diet is... No matter how good/dedicated you are with few exception (genetic freaks) you will not gain over night...

The set point theory that was going around a few years ago was that I always thought about...
I got stuck in the 180s, 190s & 200... Even when I was on cycle and I did all I could do I got stuck each and every turn.

I can tell you your body/mind will mature as you become older. Muscle density will change in the years. You will change...

keep doing what you do and you will get there.


I know that is not what you wanna hear.

[Immortal Soldier]

I was s distance runner in high school and early college... I grad weight 125... by my late 20s I was up to 240s...

It takes time...

No matter how good your diet is... No matter how good/dedicated you are with few exception (genetic freaks) you will not gain over night...

The set point theory that was going around a few years ago was that I always thought about...
I got stuck in the 180s, 190s & 200... Even when I was on cycle and I did all I could do I got stuck each and every turn.

I can tell you your body/mind will mature as you become older. Muscle density will change in the years. You will change...

keep doing what you do and you will get there.


I know that is not what you wanna hear.

Bingo, your body has set points in losing weight and gaining weight.

For example, I started out at 134lbs , my body fought like a bitch at 170 than fought like a bitch at 190 and then fought like a bitch at 200.

Even with gear, I dont think it would have made a difference, when the body has a "set point" it takes time to break through it because it is sort of an evolution "weight limit" your body sets.

[Dancer]

http://medweb.mit.edu/pdf/set_point_theory.pdf

[Twist]

Great link! So what is the recommendation? To just keep doing what I am doing and eventually I will break through? It has been 1.5 years or over at this weight.

[Dancer]

You gotta keep in mind you are 21 and I know it sucks but it is what it is... You gotta pay your dues and put in the time...

Give your body breaks.

Try diff diets.

Play around with different things and you will figure out how/when/what your body responds to...

[Twist]

yea thanks for the help guys. I just want everything now. lol typically 21 year old. i just want 15 more lbs of muscle at the same bf% and that is really not that much. you guys are all like "yea I gain 15 lbs in my first week" and I probably gain a lb of water weight in the first month and thats it. just gotta break this thanks guys

[alpmaster]

Keep doing what you're doing, but please please change that training routine.

[Twist]

lol. that is not my exact one but it is close. I hit legs on two maybe three days split up into quads and calves, hams and glutes or quads glutes and hams claves then rest a couple days (try for three) then do squats and lunges. then arms, chest, back, shoulders on seperate days. never shoulders after chest or chest after shoulders. you get the idea

[Twist]

just feel that legs are too big to be done in one day.

[alpmaster]

Well they're not. You're not trying to absolutely demolish them with set after set, it's all about the stimulus. You should have 1 leg day, but design it right. It should be based around heavy ass squats with good form and 6-10 reps. After a good 5 sets, I would just do some calves and hams stuff if you must, but really, nothing is going to make your legs grow like squats, and hitting them more often doesn't mean they grow more. Keep legs day away from back day and you can deadlift heavy too and they will also hit your legs quite well. Just get this thought out of your head that hitting something more often will make them grow more.

[ninesecz]

I know that i used to bench a lot because my brother did and i wanted to be strong like him. and now I have a huge chest with or without training! I can not go near a gym for a year + and still put up 315 no problem so yes you have mature and memory muscle but I dont think that screwed you up!! You are just whats know in the industry as a
"HARD GAINER"

[Pac Man]

I agree with dancer, you'll mature. However, you are born with a ratio of type 1 vs type 2 muscle. You can change the dominance of one over the other but not the ratio. This will determine if you are naturally more athletic or just a powerhouse.
Also eat more, never fails.