Need Advice from the masters

[fratguy23]

I'm 25. 6'1" 220. I have about 15-17% body fat maybe a little lower and i want to stay around my current weight but trim down to about 7-10% body fat. I'm looking at taking clen/t3/eq/win/test p. A friend recommended it but I wanted to know what the experts thought and maybe give me some insight into doses for all. All advice is welcome. Thanks.

[G4R]

Thats uh... quite a cycle if you have never done any AAS before....

What does your diet look like in detail?

[fratguy23]

I've cycled win and tp together before and finished by dropping the win and adding tren e. i've never taked clen or t3 before. As far as my diet goes i take anywhere from 300 to 350 grams of protein a day mainly by whey protein, egg whites, chicken and fish. i stay away from red meat for the most part but i have to have a ny strip from time to time. usually some oats in the am to get my day started and most of my carbs come from fresh produce. i don't vary my food often when i'm trying to cut. i stick with what works and try to cut my calories and sodium intake down.

[lovbyts]

What are you using for PCT?
What did you use last time?
Have you had your blood work done and if so what are your numbers?
You did Tren for your first cycle????

[fratguy23]

Ha no not tren for my first cycle. I would have quit after the first week with all the night sweats. My first was maybe decca and sust. Can't remember. I've had blood work done when I have been on but never checked it out. I'm guessing it's been ok since it didn't raise any red flags with my doctor and he knew what i was taking. As far as PCT the only 2 I'm familiar with is nolva and chlomid. I've used both usually starting the last 2-3 weeks of my cycle and then continuing for another 3-4.

[lovbyts]

I've cycled win and tp together before and finished by dropping the win and adding tren e. i've never taked clen or t3 before. As far as my diet goes i take anywhere from 300 to 350 grams of protein a day mainly by whey protein, egg whites, chicken and fish. i stay away from red meat for the most part but i have to have a ny strip from time to time. usually some oats in the am to get my day started and most of my carbs come from fresh produce. i don't vary my food often when i'm trying to cut. i stick with what works and try to cut my calories and sodium intake down.

OK I dont understand then.

[fratguy23]

what don't you understand and i'll try to clear it up

[HIITB$]

How many cycles do you have under your belt?

[lovbyts]

IN the one sentence you say you did a cycle ending with Tren, then you say you have never done tren?????

[fratguy23]

On my first cycle i did not use tren. I've used tren e in the above mentioned cycle and then did another cycle with tren mix, t 250, and win oral. I have some experience with it. I just didn't use it on my first cycle. Sorry for the confusion.

[Twist]

lay out the doses and the pct info on this cycle.

[fratguy23]

That's what i am trying to figure out. I've never taken clen or t3 and i've never taken eq, test p, and win with weight cutters like clen and t3 so i need some help with how to stack it all. As far as quantity i can get as much as I need or want. The eq is 200mg/ml and the test p is 100mg/ml and the win is 50mg tablets. Let me know if you need any other information.

[fratguy23]

To HIITB$: This is my 5th cycle. I would say this is the most complicated one I have looked at. What really throws me is how to mix the clen and t3 together and if that's even a good idea. And then if I do take both what r the doses and to I need to vary the doses on the other 3. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Big]

As far as PCT the only 2 I'm familiar with is nolva and chlomid. I've used both usually starting the last 2-3 weeks of my cycle and then continuing for another 3-4.

Ouch, so you've never done a proper pct. Get that sorted before you cycle again.

[chuckt12345]

well make sure you gettin the right pct,, looks like you pretty close on it but read some stickies

as far as running that cycle id prb drop the eq because it really doesnt fit into that equation.

[fratguy23]

If i dropped the eq would you replace it with anything like possibly tren and as far as a proper PCT I know there is other stuff out there but what would you reccomend to take with this. I mean would HCG be a good option and add the chlomid to it or is there a better PCT for this stack. I have read several articles about PCT but still don't have a clear idea on what is the best course action for this situation.

[reignman1]

i see a problem in that people say eq takes a long time to start kicking in, like 10-16 weeks before your really reaping the benefits. and the other anabolics winny and test prop are fast acting like within days and usually used for a shorter cycle. If you set on those compounds you could do

test e and eq = long lean bulker cycle or
prop and winny = shorter cutting cycle or

if you feel your more experienced I've seen guys start with test e and eq and then bring prop and winny in at the end

clen/t3 are cutting tools and could be used within the prop and winny cycle, just do a search and you should find dosage information

heres one thread that might help:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=23808

[Big]

The main thing to pay attention to from here is your pct start time. You need to consider the esters of the compounds you are using, and arrange the cycle and pct start time so that pct starts once all suppressive compounds have cleared. To start pct on cycle or before all compounds clear just wastes pct gear and doesn't allow a long enough pct after compounds clear.

[fratguy23]

Say I make this a 10 week cycle not including the end of my PCT this is what I think I have in mind for total PCT.

Wks 1-10:Arimidex 0.25 mg ed
Wks 3-10: HCG 300-500 iu every 5 days
Wk 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg chlomid ed
WK 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed
Wk 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed

*Plus I'll be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off on clen for the duration of the 10 weeks

[Big]

Say I make this a 10 week cycle not including the end of my PCT this is what I think I have in mind for total PCT.

Wks 1-10:Arimidex 0.25 mg ed
Wks 3-10: HCG 300-500 iu every 5 days
Wk 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg chlomid ed
WK 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed
Wk 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed

*Plus I'll be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off on clen for the duration of the 10 weeks

So what exactly would the cycle be?

[fratguy23]

What I have been thing is this:

1-10: Win oral 50mg ed
1-10: Test P 100mg eod
1-10: Tren E 75mg ed
Clen 2 on 2 off for 10 weeks
T3 ed for 4 weeks/off for 4 weeks then back on for 4
and the above mentioned PCT

Let me know what you think

[T-MOS]

I would be interested in seeing what your diet looks like and 10 weeks of a harsh oral winny is NOT suggested

Do not expect the steroids to do the work of your diet, you may be quite disappointed

and if you are willing to pin the tren ED , then you should just pin the prop ED as well

[reignman1]

tren e will take some time to clear as well like 2 weeks after the last shot as it s an ethanate ester, go with the tren ace if your using prop

[fratguy23]

Ok so you think it would be better to drop the tren e for tren a and just go ahead and do the prop and tren a ed? And if oral win isn't safe for 10 weeks should i just do it for the first 7 or 10?

[T-MOS]

winny is normally used at the end of the cycle to harden up your gains BUT if your bodyfat is still over 10% by the end, then you will not see much from the winny. I would use it the last 6 weeks right up to the PCT timed.

If your using Test P, then Tren A is the better match with it

But I am sticking with the fact that IF your DIET isn't correct, then you will be wasting gear, so make sure that is checked out here first

[Big]

What I have been thing is this:

1-10: Win oral 50mg ed
1-10: Test P 100mg eod
1-10: Tren E 75mg ed
Clen 2 on 2 off for 10 weeks
T3 ed for 4 weeks/off for 4 weeks then back on for 4
and the above mentioned PCT

Let me know what you think

Well if you're running tren e for 10 weeks you certainly can't start pct week 11. And Winny 1-10?

[fratguy23]

Ok so with the information I've received so far I think this is what I'm thinking of doing.

1-10: 100mg/Test P ed
1-10: 75mg/Tren A ed
4-10: 50mg/Win ed
1-10: .25mg/Arimidex ed
3-10: 300-500iu/HCG every 5 days
11: 40mg Nolva/100mg Chlomid ed
12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed
13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Chlomid ed
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for 10 weeks
T3? I still don't know the proper dosage or how long to take it. Most things I've read say no longer than 6 weeks on with 2 months off but then I read some things saying I can take it as long as I want. Would it be worthwhile to take it solely on the weeks i'm not on clen?
As far as my diet T-MOS i usually eat very clean and don't have a problem sticking to a diet. Plus it helps that a good friend is a nutritionist and will most likely write up a plan for me.

Let me know what you think?

[T-MOS]

Cycle looks ok. I would save the clen/t3 to use in PCT as well.

I ask about diet because you say you are 17% (approx) and want to get to 7-10. That is all about diet. Most people who don't cycle have a different idea of what dieting is then WE do. A clean diet to the average person, may not be the correct diet for one that is on a steroid cycle. most nutritionist don't have a complete understanding of steroids and the diet requirements that go with using them

I know you may think your diet is clean for you...but your 17% ....thats a bit high for using steroids.

So, again I just suggest that you let the diet guys here take a look at your typical days food intake and I will bet they will need to make some adjustments in order for you to get the results from this cycle you want.
If you don't wish to do that, then, please understand that will be why you may not get the results you are looking for. JMHO

[Mafiusu]

id still run the prop a little past the tren

[T-MOS]

id still run the prop a little past the tren

agreed, but only by 3 days to play it safe
and the winny can be run 3 days past the prop, then start PCT

[Phate]

i don't know about running clen/t3 during pct, i don't like the idea of running two metabolic enhancers(one being non-selective) during a period where your body's test levels are dropping like a rock, JMHO

[fratguy23]

Like I said the bf is just a guess. I would actually think going off past tests that I'm right at 15 or a little below and I won't be starting my cycle until the end of July so my goal is to get to around 10 or a little above on my own before i gear up. I've been doing a lot of research into cutting diets trying to see what other posters have put up there. My current diet is pretty damn close I just need to watch a few things. I have always been in pretty good shape usually right aroung 215-230 around 8-10 bf since highschool. I took a new job in August where I was on the road driving about 4-6 hours a day between my new territory and home and it killed me. I always ate fast food on the go and by the time i got home i didn't want to go to the gym. In Feb. I realized that I had jumped from 220 around 8 bf to 245 over 20 bf. Since then I've dropped back down to 220 so the diet shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for all the help guys. I'll try to keep you updated once I get started.

[T-MOS]

Cool, GOOD LUCK

[HIITB$]

To HIITB$: This is my 5th cycle. I would say this is the most complicated one I have looked at. What really throws me is how to mix the clen and t3 together and if that's even a good idea. And then if I do take both what r the doses and to I need to vary the doses on the other 3. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Im not going to help recommed because it sounds like were about equal in experience or you might have a lil more but i thought you had a few just trying to help out the confusions between you and lovby...