1st cycle revisited...opinions please

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hey guys... im here looking for suggestions on my 1st cycle. I took suggestions and spent quite some time in the diet forum yesterday tweaking up my diet to ensure everything is the way it sould be.

here is my diet link http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=392408

my stas are:
25years old
5'9"
184lbs
not sure of bf...but higher then id like

i was thinking of this for a first cycle - cutter

1-10 Tbol(oral turanibol) 50mgED
1-8 clen (slowly ramping up to gauge tollerance)100mcg
2-8 ketotifen 2mg ED (to keep receptors fresh)
1-8 t3 cytomel 100mcg (ramping up and down)

PCT
nolva 40/40/20/20

my goal for this cycle is to drop bf low andto maintain my lbm, and if possible add a few pounds...

once my bf is low enough...im going to do a test cycle to add some qaulity lean mass.


what do you pros think?
Will this cycle aid in accomplishing my goals?
thanks for your time guys

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i am also going to us eca forthe final 2 weeks of cycle to aid in any rebounding from the clen and t3

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[chuckt12345]

im sorry i dont know what O.T is,, turnibol?

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yes oral turinibol....tbol...ect

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any thoughts boys?

[ninesecz]

yeh I have a thought! why are you using such wacky shit for your 1st cycle? What is the sense? Do some cardio, inject some test and get the diet correctly and you will lose a good amount of BF! Why thehell are you trying to use 4-5 different compounds that are not standard 1st cycle agents and why are you using sooo many on your first cycle?
I think you need to do a lot more research! more is not always better! dont need all that shit and You are using all orals too boot! you must have not done must research on the anabolic side!!

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yeh I have a thought! why are you using such wacky shit for your 1st cycle? What is the sense? Do some cardio, inject some test and get the diet correctly and you will lose a good amount of BF! Why thehell are you trying to use 4-5 different compounds that are not standard 1st cycle agents and why are you using sooo many on your first cycle?
I think you need to do a lot more research! more is not always better! dont need all that shit and You are using all orals too boot! you must have not done must research on the anabolic side!!

lol... thanks for you opinion, although it sounds a little parroted, almost like u never even read the OP...but i cant say i agree

its a cen/t3 cycle for aiding in fat loss

and a mild anobolic substance to reatin lbm

i think your a little overboard with your comment...

do you care to eleaborate what is so "whacky"?

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and fyi, i have done resarch... this is a mild cycle to strictly get my bf down some more before i get into a serious bulk... it may not be conducive to YOUR GOALS... but for where i am right now and what i want to accomplish in the short term...i feel its right for me...

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btw...you seem a little agro... simmer down a bit buddy

no offense

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does anyone else have an opinion regarding the cycle i posted for review?

[JinNtonic]

It doesnt look bad to me. Just cutters run with some Tbol.


Do many people run straight Tbol without Test? I am not sure.

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It doesnt look bad to me. Just cutters run with some Tbol.


Do many people run straight Tbol without Test? I am not sure.

thank for your response, a little more relaxed then the last guy...i personally know two individuals who ran tbol only cycle @ 80mgED for 6 weeks and saw some great gains in strength and size with no sides reported. mind you they were bulking and dieting as such...none the less

tbol is also a mild substance, only sightly more toxic then avavar by comparison.

it has also often been refered to as dbol without the bloat althouh i doubt it is as potent a mass/stength substance as the latter.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

i personally wouldnt run anything without test, people do it all the time and sometimes shutdown is minimum, with tbol its said to be minimum so i guess its not too bad, id still say your better off with a simple test cycle and you can throw in the clen/t3 if you want, youd get much better results IMO. you dont have to run keto weeks 2-8 you only have to run it every third week to keep receptors fresh, the way you have it listed youll be wasting it

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i personally wouldnt run anything without test, people do it all the time and sometimes shutdown is minimum, with tbol its said to be minimum so i guess its not too bad, id still say your better off with a simple test cycle and you can throw in the clen/t3 if you want, youd get much better results IMO. you dont have to run keto weeks 2-8 you only have to run it every third week to keep receptors fresh, the way you have it listed youll be wasting it

thank bro...btw i just finished reading fear and loathing...****in great book, better then the movie imo...

i hear u on the ketotifen, ill keep that in mind.

i didnt want to run test to avoid shutting down too hard, it would also require a much more involved pct as well as time off after cycle... i want to get onto a lean bulk reltively soon following this cycle, which is why im thinkin tbol is a good bet. i want to save my 1st test cycle to build some serious lbm... as ive heard over and over again, best results come from your 1st test cycle... i dont wanna waste it...

cheers

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

hell yea great book for sure... i hear you on wanting to save your first test cycle for a bulk, thats def the best way to go about it anyway so no arguments there... i would say to just run the clen/keto alone and leave out the tbol but you were sayin you wanted to throw t3 in there too so i wouldnt suggest running t3 without some sort of support from anabolics...

my advice would be to drop the t3 and tbol and just run clen/keto, i mean as long as your diet is in check you should see great results with clen alone, and you shouldnt have a problem retaining most of your LBM b/c clen is, well at least its said by many to be anticatabolic. id say cut up with the clen and then prepare yourself for your upcoming test bulk.. just my opinion.. good luck with whatever u decide

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hell yea great book for sure... i hear you on wanting to save your first test cycle for a bulk, thats def the best way to go about it anyway so no arguments there... i would say to just run the clen/keto alone and leave out the tbol but you were sayin you wanted to throw t3 in there too so i wouldnt suggest running t3 without some sort of support from anabolics...

my advice would be to drop the t3 and tbol and just run clen/keto, i mean as long as your diet is in check you should see great results with clen alone, and you shouldnt have a problem retaining most of your LBM b/c clen is, well at least its said by many to be anticatabolic. id say cut up with the clen and then prepare yourself for your upcoming test bulk.. just my opinion.. good luck with whatever u decide

thanks hunt... i appreciate the help bro...
ill mill over the clen alone suggstion for a bit before i decide... although the gears on its way already...errp

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[JinNtonic]

If its on it way then the choice is made lol.

Keep us updated!

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haha, yea, but i dont necesarily have to take it all...shelf lifes pretty good on that stuff..

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

If its on it way then the choice is made lol.

Keep us updated!

not really, you can still save the tbol for a kickstart to your first test cycle... up to you bro

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not really, you can still save the tbol for a kickstart to your first test cycle... up to you bro

lol u know it huntskee... but to be honest i may just run with it, and work my ass off... maybe ill do my first log with it... could be usefull info to someone some day haha

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

lol u know it huntskee... but to be honest i may just run with it, and work my ass off... maybe ill do my first log with it... could be usefull info to someone some day haha

maybe, itll be a good example of what happens when fukkers dont listen to hunterS.. ha jk, ill keep an eye on your cycle log if you decide to go through with it

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lol...sounds good bro

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