Please help me with my cycle

[Zeriel]

First of all Hello, im new here and this is my first post

Ive been reading a lot around the forums and learned a LOT now i finally decided to start posting cause i need help making my cycle. First a little background of myself:

Im 24 yrs old, 5'9 I weight around 165/170lbs, surprisingly enough i look scrawny at this weight but i can tell i have Body fat in my stomach i have some abs but no sixpack or anything. ive been working out for a year and a half, on and off and i dropped from 180 (pure fat) to 145 (lol) and 3 months ago i did my first cycle with a friend. It was 1 month of hard gym then 6weeks of Dbol (20mgs with weekends off) only, I know Dbol alone is not advised but it was my first time and i didnt know better. Then i did a little PCT of 3 weeks of Nolvadex. (My friend didnt but he turned out ok, so far)

I made the decision to use Dbol cause i couldn't stand looking at my scrawny self and i needed to bulk up asap and i want to work hard and get into body building. My friend is serious too and i got him into PCTs after i explained to him a couple hundred times i think he gets it now...i hope.

So this is gona be our cycle and i want to do it right this time so i would appretiate all advise i can get, the goal is to get some serious mass and loose most of my remaining body fat, which i estimate must be at 15% or so.

this cycle was advised to me at my gym:

weeks 1-4

Sustanon 250 (twise a week)
Dbol 20mgs (ED) (I know Dbol bloats but is water i can loose later i think)

weeks 5-8

Trenbolone

weeks 8-12

Nolvadex
(100mg day one, 60 week 1 and 2, 40mg week 3 and 4)

(This PCT i made myself with some research and according to my budget, i cant afford the alternatives, Clomid, Arimidex or HCG)

My protein is one called Nitrowhey, it has a ton of amino acids and no fat and not a lot of carbs, i plan on taking it 3 times a day, should i get a Weight gainer instead? will this make me gain fat? I figured i get carbs and fat on my diet even tough i avoid them like the plague.

So what do you guys think? Opinions on anything i should ad or remove? And has anyone done a similar cycle with these products? what where your gains/experiences?

Sorry for the extreamly long post, is a very personal post so i appreciate all your help

[Big]

I think I'm confused, because the way it's written would be a horrible cycle. weeks 5-8 tren? only?

[ninesecz]

Dude that has got to be the worst cycle I have ever seen! you are only running the cycle for 8 weeks? You are going to run Sust for 4 weeks then switch to Tren!
You would do nothing but screw yourself up with that! 1st off what type of tren A or E? What dose of Sust 250mg 2X a week?

Regardless you can not do that!
Sust is not bad but needs to be shot E2D cause of the Propionate esther in it!
and you would need to run that for a minimum of 10-12 weeks
Second off, you can not run tren for 4 weeks! its not going to help! Do you also know hiow strong and bad of side affect tren can give you! It is not something you want to be screwing around with on your 1st cycle of injectables anyway So I would honestly put that idea right out of your head. then go over and smack who ever gave you that suggested cycle

Here is what you should be doing plain and simple...

Testosterone E or Cyp
12 weeks @400-500mg a week divided into 2 shots every 3.5days
14days after the last injection start pct and nolvadex for 3-4 weeks 40/40/20/20

DO not even worry about D-bol! You do not need it just more of a chance of sides and bloat for no reason!

[Zeriel]

Well what happends is, the person that suggested me this cycle said it was the best i could do for a low budget cycle, my budget right now is around 400USD, He told my friend and me that a cycle of Sustanon and tren was the best thing we could do to get gains. The reson i ask here is cause i dont trust him he doesnt seem to be the intelectual type and my friend isnt either. I read on Sustanon and tren and the information seemed like a very high quality test with great gains and i already tried Dbol for myself and worked out pretty good. But im glad for your info and im glad i asked before i bought anything. So your advise is to drop the whole thing the Sust, Tren and Dbol? Can you tell me what to buy from him? Test E and nothing more? How much would it cost for 12 weeks? Also cant i get something for cutting? i just dont want to look overly big and have no definition, Thanks again for all your help!

PS I dont know what Tren it is, he just said Trenbolone, i will ask him next time i see him.

[Zeriel]

Regardless you can not do that!
Sust is not bad but needs to be shot E2D cause of the Propionate esther in it!

Really? I tought Sustanon could be run twise a week because the ester gave it a long half life? I cant imagine getting injected E2D for 12 weeks! Is it the same with Test E?

[jonnsbig]

this is confusing, i think i need to read up way more than I thought. I just want to do it it one month and have before with minimal but noticeable lean gains250 mg 1 cc

[jonnsbig]

and twice a week isvery suffecient for me and I know all are different.

[ray0414]

to make it a lil easier for you, tren is a steroid for advanced users, meaning not you or i lol Check out the diet section and make sure your diet is in check, use protein shakes at certain times of the day but DO NOT make them the staple of your diet. real food = real muscle. You'll probably hear this but u should wait a lil longer before u cycle again. a year and a half of working out is not much, and it takes a while before your body maxes out once u have your diet down to a tee.

[ray0414]

do LOTS Of research on test e, and its normally run for 8-12 weeks. when i say research i dont mean 2 hours, it could take a couple months before u know EVERYTHING you need to know.

[Zeriel]

Ok thanks i think i wont get the sust or tren, what lll do is go for Test e for 12 weeks and see how much it would cost. Also, can i stack Test-e with something to get some definition at the end of the cycle? Maybe Winstrol? Can i do a cycle with Test E 12 weeks and Winstrol or something else at weeks 9-12?

I already have the protein and Nolvadex, also my friend is 100% ready to jump into the cycle and i need to advise him on a good beginners cycle otherwise he goes and buys whatever this guy at the gym wants to sell him.

[ninesecz]

Sust is not different for everyone but some people do not know hoe to use it! Sust is a combination of 4 different test esthers . If you do not shoot it at least EOD then you waste the propionate esther that is in it! You can shoot it 2X per week but it soes not yield as good of a gain! As far as you Zeriel Yes get 3 bottles of test E or Test cyp and nothing else! for steroids are concerned! If you have $400 you should have some definate money left over ! spend the rest on ancillaries Clomid and Nolvadex! Do this 1st. You are new to this and will get great gains from this and this alone If you want to lose BF you could cycle some clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks of at a really low dose to stimulate fat loss but remember test can also help you lose fat if you make sure you eat correctly! Do not go getting talked into some crazy 3 compound cycle for your first stabbings!! You will be dis appointed and not get any gains you are looking for!
Testosterone is a very powerful anabolic. and until you do a cycle it is hard to explain just how much a simple 500mg a week boost can do for you! I bet at the end of the cyckle you will be glad you kept it simple. Use the money you have left to make sure you have the right foods to gain lean muscle!

[Zeriel]

Ok thanks ninesecz i was thinking maybe i should let my friend do the cycle they told him just to see what happends So 3 bottles of Test E? nothing else, ok. So how much would it cost more or less? Just to make sure i dont get riped off since obviously the guys informing me dont know what the hell their talking about. I suspected them as soon as they mentioned PCTs weren't necessary and i did a lot of research on PCTs