Feedback on Sustanon 250 cycle

[ScotchGuard]

Personal Stats:
Age - 50
Height - 5'11"
Weight - 180lbs
BF - 18% (hydrostatic method)
Years Lifting - 30 (for fitness not bodybuilding)

Current Cycle:
HGH - 4iu ED for the past 3 months

Previous AAS Cycle:
NONE, this is my first cycle

Diet:
Pretty clean but could be cleaner.

Intended Cycle:
Week 1 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 2 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 3 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 4 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 5 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 6 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 7 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (250iu ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 8 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (250iu ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 9 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)
Week 10 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)
Week 11 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)

PCT
Week 12 - Clomid (100mg ED), Nolvadex (60mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 13 - Clomid (100mg ED), Nolvadex (60mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 14 - Clomid (50mg ED), Nolvadex (40mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 15 - Clomid (50mg ED), Nolvadex (40mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)

I am currently healthy with no physical problems. I am interested in gaining 10 to 15 pounds of lean muscle during this cycle. My main question is the use of HGH during the cycle. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer in my research if the use of HGH is a go or no go. I will log my results once I start my cycle.

[kaju]

Personal Stats:
Age - 50
Height - 5'11"
Weight - 180lbs
BF - 18% (hydrostatic method)
Years Lifting - 30 (for fitness not bodybuilding)

Current Cycle:
HGH - 4iu ED for the past 3 months

Previous AAS Cycle:
NONE, this is my first cycle

Diet:
Pretty clean but could be cleaner.

Intended Cycle:
Week 1 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 2 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 3 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 4 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), Dbol (20mg ED), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 5 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 6 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (500iu) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 7 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (250iu ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 8 - Sustanon 250 (500mg), HCG (250iu ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 9 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)
Week 10 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)
Week 11 - Nothing HGH (4iu ED)

PCT
Week 12 - Clomid (100mg ED), Nolvadex (60mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 13 - Clomid (100mg ED), Nolvadex (60mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 14 - Clomid (50mg ED), Nolvadex (40mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)
Week 15 - Clomid (50mg ED), Nolvadex (40mg ED) HGH (4iu ED)

I am currently healthy with no physical problems. I am interested in gaining 10 to 15 pounds of lean muscle during this cycle. My main question is the use of HGH during the cycle. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer in my research if the use of HGH is a go or no go. I will log my results once I start my cycle.

There is not a problem with running hgh with sustanon. pm me and I can direct you to more info on this subject.

number one: In my personal opinion I prefer a single estered test for many reasons and too many to go into here, but for starters You can get the same results for hapl the price. If you are wanting lean muscle go on a diet. Sustanon will not burn fat - (if that is the reason you chose sustanon. if not I digress and apologize)
number two: You should never run a cycle until you have your body fat down to 12% or less. you will get to many side effects such as conversion, acne, bitch tits and on and on.

[Big]

pm me and I can direct you to more info on this subject.

he can't pm.
why is it you can't share this info on the board?

[T-MOS]

^^why would he need to PM you for more info??? this is an open board so that ALL can learn from these questions, so if you have more info, Please share it here and others may learn as well

Who said you can't run a cycle unless you are 12% bf or under?? this is NOT true

we "suggest" under 15% to be safe and to help reduce risk of estrogen related sides and other health risks , but saying you should NEVER run a cycle unless under is a little OFF.

[Dont wanna be old]

I am curious why you don't run HGH 5 on 2 off ?
HGH takes several months to see results . You noticed any changes about now ?

[ScotchGuard]

I go 4iu ED mainly because I bought a lot of HGH. I also ran IGF-lr3 for a few weeks. I got good results I went from benching 175lbs x 10reps x 10 sets to 205lbs x 10reps x 10sets. I do a lot of cardio/plyometric type of exercises and I find that my wind is really good and I can stay stronger for a longer period of time before I reach failure. I can out work most guys in the gym.

I woke up one day and the joints in my hands felt stiff. I mean, I couldn't bend my fingers. My hands were puffy and I sorta panicked. This was about 70 days into the cycle. I was at 5iu ED. I stopped taking HGH for two weeks to see if the stiffness in my hands would go away. It subsided but did not go away after two weeks. On the third week I started HGH again at 2iu ED for 10 days. Then to 3iu ED for 10 days. Now I am up to 4iu ED and I will just stay here. My hands are a little stiff but I can bend my fingers. The drawback is that my strength has dropped but my cardio's still really good.

I have 18% body fat in the hydrostatic tank but 10% using the bioelectric impedance method. When people look at me they think I'm about 10% body fat because I have the makings of a six pack. I'll eat more strictly and get down to <15% BF before I start my cycle. I eat pretty well. My normal diet's below.

8 am - 8 egg whites
10am - Protein Shake (EAS protein two scoops, some fiber, Creatin) with an ounce of almonds
Noon - A can of tuna fish with 1 Tsp of mayonnaise
Workout
1:30 pm - after workout protein drink (EAS protein two scoops, L-Glutamin, some fiber) with an ounce of almonds
4:00 pm - 8oz chicken breast with a cup of broccoli or 6oz fish (talapia or halibut or mahi mahi) fillet with a cup of broccoli
6pm - 7pm - Dinner (try to eat lean but eat what the family's eating)

I'm not looking for Sustanon to cut BF. I understand that reduction in BF is a result of strict diet and cardio. I'm interested in gaining lean body mass. My plan is to complete the 8 week Sustanon cycle, PCT, and go on to a cutting cycle.

I appreciate the feedbacks.

I have another question for IGF-lr3 experts. I read that Sustanon 250 can be mixed with IGF-lr3 and injected to specific body parts that were worked. I thought IGF-lr3 was reconstituted with AA not oil based AAS. I have a lot of IGF-lr3 that I want to use. I would like to mix it with Sustanon if it is possible. Any thoughts?

[kaju]

he can't pm.
why is it you can't share this info on the board?

I was going to direct him to another buliten board. I have not taken the time to see if that was against the rules.

[ScotchGuard]

This is my first week I got my first shot of Sustanon in my thigh. DANG! It hurt like crazy! It's been three days and my leg still feels like it's been kicked by my wife. I also pinned 250mg of HCG with 4iu of HGH ED and 40mg of D-bol ED. Also, twice a week I'm pinning 40mcg of IGF-lr3 directly into the muscles worked.

When I'm on IGF-lr3 I just feel so much stronger and I have so much more endurance. My muscles get such a great pump. It's only been three days since my first shot of Sustanon so I'm attributing my gains to the HGH and IGF-lr3. Over a three month period I went from flat benching 175lbs x 10reps x 10 sets to 205lbs x 10reps x 10 sets. I can't wait for the Sustanon and D-bol to kick in.

I've posted three pictures of me take a day before my first Sustanon 250 dose. In these pictures I'm 180lbs with 18% body fat. I don't feel like 18% bf but numbers don't lie.

I'm afraid to death of my second injection in the other thigh. I'm using a 3ml needle with a 25 guage needle. Any recommendations on how to reduce the after shot pain would be greatly appreciated.

[Big]

I was going to direct him to another buliten board. I have not taken the time to see if that was against the rules.

so you're trying to send our members to another board when they are here for help?

[kaju]

[ScotchGuard]

I pinned my second 250ml of Sustanon. Today was my shoulder day. Toward the end of my workout, when I would normally be winded, I felt like I could go on forever. The feeling was actually a little alarming. I normally workout pretty hard but toward the end of the workout I get pretty burned out. My training partner said, jokingly, you on something? hahaha I feel strong.

My left quad where I pinned the Sustanon is a little tender. I hope it doesn't hurt like my first shot.

[kaju]

I know this is your first cycle but how much experiance do you have pinning.
I dont know how much pain your having or how much pain tolerance you have but sometimes that is the nature of the beast.
Just be glad you are not pinning tren.
Some people will warm there juice others will bake it some will do both. They claim it reduses the pain.
Me? I just pin and deal with the pain and I dont sweat it or let it slow me down.

[ScotchGuard]

I have a lot of experience with 29G insulin syringes pinning HGH and IGF-lr3. I shoot SQ in my belly. No pain. Sometimes I don't even feel a single thing. Man, this Sustanon is like milk shake compared to HGH. K, I appreciate your feedback. Time to suck it up and shut up.

I weighed myself today. I gained 6 pounds in 5 days! I think some of it is water weight but still, that's 6 pounds in 5 days. I felt a little flat today. I don't know if this is a normal part of cycling Sustanon. I felt strong doing my squats today. My training partner took two steps down the stairs and his legs just gave out. If it wasn't for the banister he would have had a lousy afternoon.

I injured my shoulder two months ago punching a heavy bag. It's been hampering my training for all this time. The last week on Sustanon I can tell a noticeable difference in my shoulder. I don't know if it's the AAS but in the last week my shoulder feels a WHOLE lot better.

[kaju]

I have a lot of experience with 29G insulin syringes pinning HGH and IGF-lr3. I shoot SQ in my belly. No pain. Sometimes I don't even feel a single thing. Man, this Sustanon is like milk shake compared to HGH. K, I appreciate your feedback. Time to suck it up and shut up.

I weighed myself today. I gained 6 pounds in 5 days! I think some of it is water weight but still, that's 6 pounds in 5 days. I felt a little flat today. I don't know if this is a normal part of cycling Sustanon. I felt strong doing my squats today. My training partner took two steps down the stairs and his legs just gave out. If it wasn't for the banister he would have had a lousy afternoon.

I injured my shoulder two months ago punching a heavy bag. It's been hampering my training for all this time. The last week on Sustanon I can tell a noticeable difference in my shoulder. I don't know if it's the AAS but in the last week my shoulder feels a WHOLE lot better.

Yes its the AAS that is making your shoulder feel beter.
No it is not the sustonon cycle that is making your muscles feel flat. That is caused by your diet. When your glycoen levels are low your muscles will feel flat. When your glycogen levels are high you will get these great pumps during your work-out. that is the secret of the nitric oxcide that these companies sell. Or take a viagra before you work out and you will get these amazing pumps. but dont waist a good thing on that unless you will be having sex after your work-out

[ScotchGuard]

I feel GREAT! I have a bum knee but it's been feeling really great. My shoulder feels TONS better and I feel a constant pump in my arms. Today was my rest day and I ate really clean (chicken, fish, broccoli, egg whites, almonds, protein shakes). I'm also taking a multivitamin and fish oil. Anyone recommend a good workout supplement that has nitric oxide? I haven't tried NO before but my training partner tells me he gets an awesome pump.

How about running Clen for 4 weeks during this cycle? The goal is to get 10 pound of lean muscle and strip away the water weight. I am eating really clean now with the objective of minimizing water weight.

I know that doing cycle after cycle is not good for the body. But it seems like running a cutting phase during the bulking phase is also counter productive.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

[kaju]

clen Is an interesting drug. It was developed for people with breathing problems. It found its way into the body building world because of its ability to burn fat. It is best to be run two weeks on and two weeks off. I do not think it will do you any good to throw off water weight. It will have reached its height of stimulating the receptors in two weeks. You stop taking it for two weeks to let your receptors recoup. but it will keep burning fat during that time. Then take it another two weeks etc etc etc.
there is allot more to go into on this but I cant write it all. but do a little research on this drug. I love it but I hate the way it makes me feel.

as for a bulking and cutting phase. This term comes from the pros that body build for a living, and there bodies pay a price for it.
If you will give yourself patience you can do both at the same time. without AAS. but the beauty of AAS you can do in weeks what would normally take years. Back to what I was saying about the pros when you are as big as them you can afford to cut because they have so much muscle mass. at the same time when they walk on stage that is when most of the pics you are taken. they will take strong diuretics to shed themselves of all water retention. it is dangerous and people have died from it. but when you see a pic of them while on stage they only look like that one day out of the year.

if you want to get rid of water weight - I recommend SWEAT. do some more aerobics, if not take a diuretic

[ScotchGuard]

Thanks kaju, I'll take your advice. I like circuit training so I'll throw more plyometric exercised in with my lifting. So far, I've gained 7 pounds. I'm not cut but I'm now doughy either from the water.

I pinned my 3rd dose of Sustanon this morning. I heated the syringe with a hair blow dryer before and rode the stationary bike for 20 minutes right after. I don't feel a thing in my leg now.

I normally do 80lbs x 10reps x 6 sets on the tricep pull down. Today I was able to do 100lbs x 10 reps x 4 sets before I had to step down in weight. I can tell that my strength is increasing. My injured shoulder is feeling better and better. I was able to bench today for the first time in 2 months. It wasn't pretty but I did get 135# up. I would normally be benching 205lbs x 10reps x 10 sets with the HGH and IGF-lr3 in my system. At this rate my shoulder should be good in another week. I'll record my bench progress and I move from recuperation to strength training.

I have another question. My upper body is much better developed then my legs. I tore my ACL as a teenager so I never got in the habit of working legs. I would like to take advantage of this cycle and build my legs. I'm working legs twice a week. Squats and Glutes on Monday and Hams/Calves on Friday. I pin 40mcg IGF-lr3 twice a week on Mondays and Fridays into my legs. Is this a reasonable way to increase lower body growth? Is there a better way to approach lower body growth?

[kaju]

Thanks kaju, I'll take your advice. I like circuit training so I'll throw more plyometric exercised in with my lifting. So far, I've gained 7 pounds. I'm not cut but I'm now doughy either from the water.

I pinned my 3rd dose of Sustanon this morning. I heated the syringe with a hair blow dryer before and rode the stationary bike for 20 minutes right after. I don't feel a thing in my leg now.

I normally do 80lbs x 10reps x 6 sets on the tricep pull down. Today I was able to do 100lbs x 10 reps x 4 sets before I had to step down in weight. I can tell that my strength is increasing. My injured shoulder is feeling better and better. I was able to bench today for the first time in 2 months. It wasn't pretty but I did get 135# up. I would normally be benching 205lbs x 10reps x 10 sets with the HGH and IGF-lr3 in my system. At this rate my shoulder should be good in another week. I'll record my bench progress and I move from recuperation to strength training.

I have another question. My upper body is much better developed then my legs. I tore my ACL as a teenager so I never got in the habit of working legs. I would like to take advantage of this cycle and build my legs. I'm working legs twice a week. Squats and Glutes on Monday and Hams/Calves on Friday. I pin 40mcg IGF-lr3 twice a week on Mondays and Fridays into my legs. Is this a reasonable way to increase lower body growth? Is there a better way to approach lower body growth?

I forgot to mention about water retention to avoid sodium like the plague.
On legg building that sounds good. as long as your knees hold up squat and squat and squat. There is no better exercise for building leggs than squats. this is what seperates the men from the boys. Just be careful at our age. when on the juice you will want to push yourself more than our bodies can hold up.
Pay close attention to what your body is telling you. If you feel one of those twinges that you know isnt right put down that weight fast and regroup. see if it was just some spasm or if you hurt something. if everything is ok start over.
you may want to throw in some lunges. it is not a muscle building exercise as much as it is a muscle strengthening exercise. as your strength encreases you will be able to do heavier squats in turn will make bigger leggs.

[lovbyts]

^^why would he need to PM you for more info??? this is an open board so that ALL can learn from these questions, so if you have more info, Please share it here and others may learn as well

Who said you can't run a cycle unless you are 12% bf or under?? this is NOT true

we "suggest" under 15% to be safe and to help reduce risk of estrogen related sides and other health risks , but saying you should NEVER run a cycle unless under is a little OFF.

Hmmm you think maybe someone is trying to dig up some business???

[ScotchGuard]

Today was my squat day. I really like squats and I would like to get better at squats. I can't tell any significant improvement on my squats after 9 days into the cycle. I welcome any feedback out there.

I would like to concentrate on my leg development in this cycle. My knees are not that great so I haven't been loading up on my squats. Instead, I squat lighter weights more reps. Today's squat routine looked like this:

Squats:
Warm Up: 135lbs x 10reps x 4 sets
Workout: 225lbs x 10reps x 6 sets

Leg Press:
4 plates each side x 10 reps x 4sets

Lunges
135lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Leg Extensions
100lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

My legs are really great shape but it's not very big. I am open to any recommendations on leg workout routines. I just can't put a lot of weights on my knees. That's the only constraint.

In my research I read that Dbol is supposed to jump start the long ester like Test E. But since I am taking Sustanon which has Test P which a short ester do I need to be on Dbol for 4 weeks? If not, I'll stop taking them after 2 weeks. I appreciate the feedback and I have been trying to implement them in my cycle.

[kaju]

Today was my squat day. I really like squats and I would like to get better at squats. I can't tell any significant improvement on my squats after 9 days into the cycle. I welcome any feedback out there.

I would like to concentrate on my leg development in this cycle. My knees are not that great so I haven't been loading up on my squats. Instead, I squat lighter weights more reps. Today's squat routine looked like this:

Squats:
Warm Up: 135lbs x 10reps x 4 sets
Workout: 225lbs x 10reps x 6 sets

Leg Press:
4 plates each side x 10 reps x 4sets

Lunges
135lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Leg Extensions
100lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

My legs are really great shape but it's not very big. I am open to any recommendations on leg workout routines. I just can't put a lot of weights on my knees. That's the only constraint.

In my research I read that Dbol is supposed to jump start the long ester like Test E. But since I am taking Sustanon which has Test P which a short ester do I need to be on Dbol for 4 weeks? If not, I'll stop taking them after 2 weeks. I appreciate the feedback and I have been trying to implement them in my cycle.

Thats pretty damn good on the leg workout.
It looks good.
even with out knee problems that would be a good legg work out. Stick to doing what you can at 10 reps. if you can push yourself to do more than 10 reps with out hurting yourself go for it. If you can do more than 16 go up on weight. Its the leg extention that gets my knees.

on the dbol since you are on it go ahead and finish out the 4 weeks. Dbol will give you a little bloat as you mentioned before. But it will increase your strength quite a bit.

[ScotchGuard]

I worked back today but my arms were so pumped I could hardly move them. Since my goal is to gain 10lbs of lean muscle mass over the next 12 weeks I decided to work medium weights and more reps. My back workout consists mainly of pull ups.

BACK WORKOUT
Warmup:
Pull Downs 100lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Workout
Wide Grip Pull Ups x 10reps x 5 sets
Regular Grip Pull Ups x 10reps x 5 sets

BICEPS WORKOUT
Warmup:
Dumbell Curls 20lbs x 10reps x 4sets

Workout
Barbell curls 75lbs x 10reps x 4 sets
Dumbell curls 35lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Is there are workout routine where I can gain more strength without getting too large? It seems like an oxymoron, strength without the size, but I would like to stay at about 185lbs to 190lbs but be able to bench press 350lbs. When I was 17yo I weighted 128lbs but was able to bench press 265lbs one rep max. Those hay days are over for me. My joints can't take that kind of pressure. Even if I could bench 300lbs, which I can't, my joints would probably give out before my muscles.

I'm still taking creatine as well as L-Glutamin. Should I continue these supplements during my cycle? I've read that creatine made some bodybuilders feel "bloated" but I don't feel bloated at all. I just feel pumped. I appreciate the feedback.

[kaju]

I worked back today but my arms were so pumped I could hardly move them. Since my goal is to gain 10lbs of lean muscle mass over the next 12 weeks I decided to work medium weights and more reps. My back workout consists mainly of pull ups.

BACK WORKOUT
Warmup:
Pull Downs 100lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Workout
Wide Grip Pull Ups x 10reps x 5 sets
Regular Grip Pull Ups x 10reps x 5 sets

BICEPS WORKOUT
Warmup:
Dumbell Curls 20lbs x 10reps x 4sets

Workout
Barbell curls 75lbs x 10reps x 4 sets
Dumbell curls 35lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Is there are workout routine where I can gain more strength without getting too large? It seems like an oxymoron, strength without the size, but I would like to stay at about 185lbs to 190lbs but be able to bench press 350lbs. When I was 17yo I weighted 128lbs but was able to bench press 265lbs one rep max. Those hay days are over for me. My joints can't take that kind of pressure. Even if I could bench 300lbs, which I can't, my joints would probably give out before my muscles.

I'm still taking creatine as well as L-Glutamin. Should I continue these supplements during my cycle? I've read that creatine made some bodybuilders feel "bloated" but I don't feel bloated at all. I just feel pumped. I appreciate the feedback.

I believe you can reach your goal through diet. You will have to get further information on this through someone else, but you have to balance a certain ratio. I do not know the correct numbers on this. I read an article on this about ten years ago in mens health magazine and I then bougth the book. I cannot even recall the title but it was something like the "T" advantage. but you ballance protein carbs and fat in a certain ratio and you can make your body do what you want by uping the percentage of of one and lessening another. through this you can bulk up or lean out or stay where you are. Sorry I cannot remember but If you do the research you can achieve your goal.

[ScotchGuard]

This is the end of two weeks of a 12 week cycle. I've pinned Sustanon 250 four times @ 250mg/each time. I've gained 10lbs. DANG! I though I was going to gain about 1lb a week over a 12 week period. K, so now what do I do? My goal was to gain 10lbs of lean muscle mass. I can tell I've got a lot of water in me because my muscles look pretty round. I went to a water park a couple of days ago and when I walked around with my 21yo son a lot of people though we were brothers. Not bad for an old fart, hahaha.

I've been on HGH for about four months now and I can tell my skin is more saturated. What I mean is that the small lines around my eyes are spreading thinner because there seems to be more moisture there. I don't have saggy skin on my belly and I generally feel great. Over the past two weeks on Sustanon my bum shoulder has been feeling progressive better. My back pains have decreased and the pain in my hip joint has been reduced. My overall sense of well being has increased for the better. I've been researching this site for almost 9 months before I decided to start HGH and Sustanon cycle. There are a LOT of experienced people on this board. I sure appreciate them sharing their wisdom and experience for newbies like me.

Now I have a question on side effects. I've been on 500mg/wk of Sustanon 250, 5iu/day of HGH, 50mcg IGF-lr3 3xWK, D-Bol 40mg/ED, HCG 250mg 2xWK for the past two weeks. When does the acne, hair loss, the disappearing nuts start to happen? I've not noticed any hair loss (I check the drain of my shower very carefully after a shower), no acne on my body anywhere (my kids think I'm REALLY vain looking at myself everyday after a shower), and no noticeable shrinkage of my gonads. I'd like to be emotionally prepared for the eventual sides but I don't really know when those sides should start. I'd appreciate some feedback.

[kaju]

The hair loss mostly is peron specifc. some do some dont. Your nuts will shrink at about week 4. I use hcg in my cycles to prevent that. In the old days we didnt have that info. Today Im so glad we do and the hcg helps pct recorey also.

[ScotchGuard]

kaju, thank you for the feedback. It makes me feel secure there are knowledgeable people like you out there. I am working two-a-days. Once at 5:30am and once at noon. Today I squatted in the am and benched in the pm. I felt really strong. My leg workout was cut short because I felt a lot of pressure on my lower back. It wasn't hurt, it just felt really tight. It felt like I dead lifted 10 sets.

Squats
Warmup: 135lbs x 10reps x 4 sets
Workout: 205lbs x 10reps x 4 sets

Leg press: 5plates (each side) x 10reps x 4 sets

Leg extension: 80lbs x (10reps, hold 10counts, 10reps, hold 10counts) x 4 sets

My legs were burning but I didn't feel spent.

I have a question on diet. I gained 10lbs so fast I started to eat a diet more like a cutting diet. I still feel strong but I'm not gaining as much weight. My goal is to hang on to 10lb lean muscle after PCT. Would you recommend I continue eating a bulking diet? Thank you for the feedback.

[kaju]

go to the diet section of this forum and you can get more detailed information on your diet.
but to answer your question I would say no. especialy at our age that diet after cycle will convert to fat. make your diet a high protein low carb low fat to maintain your lean muscle. try to eat 1 1/2 -2 1/2grams of protein per pound of body weight.
right now your body is in a high anabolic state. which will burn fat and build muscle. when you go off your cycle it will not be in such an anabolic state. so you will need to convert you diet at this time. I would suggest 10% fat 50% carb 40% protein.

[TITANIUM]

This post is screwy.First and for most, don't come to the board and try to recruit members.They will ban you.And I agree with that 100%. I'm not going to insult your intelligence, due to the fact, you seem to know what you are talking about.
This guy should be pinning straight test for his first cycle.No exceptions.even at 50 years of age, stacking the first cycle is a bad idea.

[ScotchGuard]

TITANIUM I appreciate your thoughts. Barring unforeseen sides I will finish this cycle. I have carefully researched and planned for contingencies. I am working closely with my Endochronologist at this time. If you have anything constructive to add I am all ears.

I got done with back/tri workout today. This is the strongest I've ever felt. I got a coterzone shot in my shoulder three days ago and I feel like a new man. My bum knee doesn't hurt or swell anymore, no more nagging little aches and pains anywhere. When I was just on the HGH all of my little aches/pain were greatly reduced. But now on Sustanon and DBOL all the aches/pains are no more. Even if this is a temporary side effect, THANK GOODNESS!

I did 50 pullup narrow grip and 50 pullup wide grip. Then I hung 50lbs from my legs and 10reps x 3 sets. After that was over I hung 100lbs from my legs and 5reps x 3 sets. I felt like I could keep going. I only stopped because my training partner was done.

My tricep pull down was 110lbs x 10reps x 4 sets followed by skull knockers 95lbs x 10reps x 3 sets. This is the most I have ever been able to do on my triceps. Again, I know that this anabolic state is temporary but I am very pleasantly surprised.

I have noticed that my skin is a little more oily than usual. I am carefully monitoring for acne or any other skin irregularities. So far, I've noticed no sign of anything irregular. I got a comment at work about how nice my skin looks. I shower and carefully clean my skin once in the am and once before bed. I use a dermal cream I got from my doctor for oily skin. Maybe over kiill but better safe than sorry. I am also carefully monitoring for any hair loss. None so far. I'm also checking for gonad shrinkage. Again, nothing so far.

My sex drive has increased. It is not crazy like it was in my 30's but definitely higher than a month ago. I'll also monitor this aspect of the cycle. I've not noticed any changes in my mood or "roid rage" to speak of. I work with scouts and I can still get through a troop meeting without screaming at anyone. hahaha.

I did have swelling of my fingers and hand but it was diagnosed as carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS). I have read in my research that the anabolic state can promote water retention in the joints which could exasperate the CTS. I went to an orthopedic surgeon and got steroid shots in both wrists. So I'm good to go on my training.

Due to my age I assumed that there might be possibility of sides due to age. So far, nothing unusual.

I'm doing 2 workouts/day. I work legs in the am and upper body in the pm. My gains in the lower body is not nearly as significant as my upper. Will my gains begin to deminish when I finish my DBOL (10 more days) and go only on Sustanon? Appreciate the feedback

[kaju]

YOU TOOK A CORTIZONE SHOT WHILE ON A CYCLE OF SUSTANON!!?
cortizine is a cortico steroid in other words a catabolic steroid. it was designed to reduce swelling and inflamation. In doing so it will reduce muscle size and stop muscle growth tempararly. Did your doctor know you were on a sustanon cycle when he gave youthis shot? I dont think so. It can and will counteract with other things you are taking.
Man; I dont know what to say.

you mentioned the stiffness in your hands and fingers. this is a common side effect from the HGH you are taking. In fact everyone I know that has taken HGH have this effect in the hands.

[ScotchGuard]

I couldn't remember the name of the anti-inflammatory so I just said Cortizone. It wasn't Cortizone, my bad. My doc said that Cortizone thins out the membranes so he said he didn't want to give it to me. He gave me something else but I couldn't remember the name of it. As for what to call me? Just call me a dumb ass newbie. I make mistakes, but only once.

[kaju]

What ever it was just be carefull. cortico steroids have a much longer life than anabolic steroids.
Sustanon has an active life of about three weeks. Some of the cortico's have a four week life and there half life can last six months. Be sure you talk to your doctor before you let him inject you. If you do not have that kind of relationship with your doc come ask some people here.
You have to be carefull with your doc because some will tell the insurance company and you can loose your insurance and that can open another can of worms

[ScotchGuard]

kaju, thank you for the information. You're one of the few people that point out a mess up and then follow up with some useful advice. I'm week 3 in my 12 week cycle. I never ran across cortizone in my AAS cycle research. Dang, there is a lot of knowledge on this forum.

I'm hot all the time. I take a shower and even before I'm dressed I'm sweating. I'm assuming it's the body in it's anabolic state that's just burning everything. My heart rate is over 90 beats per minute. Normally, my resting heart rate is about 62 to 65 beats per minute. My body temperature was about half a degree below normal and my blood pressure was right at 120/75. I have not done cardio for three weeks while I am on DBOL. I'll start my cardio when I'm off DBOL. Hopefully, my heart rate will go back to normal.

What do you think about nitric oxide based vascular dilator? My friend was trying to give me a couple of these "pump" pills telling me that I can get a SUPER pump. I already get a HUGE pump as it is. I wonder if this stuff over taxes the heart?

I barbell pressed 145lbs x 5reps x 5sets. My personal best. Then we did standing clean and press with 45lbs dumbbells x 25reps in 30 seconds x 2sets. My strength and endurance is good but my wind is not as good as before. I'll have to see when I start my cardio in two weeks.

[TITANIUM]

OK-Cortisone is a no-no, at least on gear.Counterproductive.
Heart rate sounds good, same thing happened to me.Sweating is your body adjusting to the gear.You have alot of things going on in your body at the same time.

kaju is a smart guy, I've can see this by his posts.I'm am trying to be constructive in nature here.If you read my posts, seldom do I really say anything negative. Always trying to help.( and learn).That never stops.

If you can't sleep, that's normal too.Same stuff I went through. The only reason I try to discourage running alot of gear , at the same time, is that, if a problem arises, it will be next to impossible to know exactly which ones are the cause.

Also, everyones body's are different, so the sides can be very different for you verses someone else.

Hope this helped you.And enjoy feeling 20 years old again, it goes away in between cycles.And PCT also

Good Luck
Titanium

[ScotchGuard]

I appreciate all the feedback both the good and the reprehends. I know that the experts on this board have seen people do some dumb things. I feel confident knowing that there are a lot of experience out there and people are willing to share.

This is the end of the 3rd week. Still no sign of hair loss, acne, gyno and shrinking gonads. I understand that these sides are supposed to take place in the 4th or 5th week. I am prepared with all the potions and lotions.

I have gained 13lbs so far and I'm 193lbs. I've been traveling for business so my diet has suffered. I'm going to get back on my diet as soon as I'm back home. I benched yesterday at 255lbs x 5reps x 5sets. I thought the weight was a little light. I'm still gaining strength. I hear bodybuilders who get strong on a cycle they rip tendons. Is this an urban myth? I'm careful not to go too heavy too fast. I still haven't done any cardio since I started my cycle. I'll start cardio after I finish my DBOL in one more week. Any thoughts on doing cardio after DBOL?

[kaju]

I appreciate all the feedback both the good and the reprehends. I know that the experts on this board have seen people do some dumb things. I feel confident knowing that there are a lot of experience out there and people are willing to share.

This is the end of the 3rd week. Still no sign of hair loss, acne, gyno and shrinking gonads. I understand that these sides are supposed to take place in the 4th or 5th week. I am prepared with all the potions and lotions.

I have gained 13lbs so far and I'm 193lbs. I've been traveling for business so my diet has suffered. I'm going to get back on my diet as soon as I'm back home. I benched yesterday at 255lbs x 5reps x 5sets. I thought the weight was a little light. I'm still gaining strength. I hear bodybuilders who get strong on a cycle they rip tendons. Is this an urban myth? I'm careful not to go too heavy too fast. I still haven't done any cardio since I started my cycle. I'll start cardio after I finish my DBOL in one more week. Any thoughts on doing cardio after DBOL?

no it is not an urban myth.
a young 18year old came to me at my gym asking for advice on what to cycle. I advised him not to.about 6 weeks later he came into the gym looking all ballooned up. that week he
was doing some heavy curls and broke his arm. the ulna bone. It was quite gross hearing that bone pop. what happened was he had not been in the gym long enough. his bones and tendons were not ready. when he went on the gear his muscles got Strong but the bones did not have time to catch up. the heavy weight broke his arm. i have even seen one guy have his bicep rip right off the bone at the tendon. so no it is not an urban myth.

[ScotchGuard]

OMG! You're serious, aren't you? I've been training with weights for about 30 years and I NEVER was strong enough to break my bone lifting weights. I'd surely like to experience such strength.

[TITANIUM]

I started when I was 16.Buy the time I was 21,I could bench 300 lbs.At a bodyweight of 180.Tore up my rotor cuffs, and such.But never broke a bone.

[kaju]

OMG! You're serious, aren't you? I've been training with weights for about 30 years and I NEVER was strong enough to break my bone lifting weights. I'd surely like to experience such strength.

thats just my point. you have been in the gym for thirty years. Your muscles tendons and bones are up to the chalenge. The young man I was talking about had just started lifting. I think he had been in the gym maybe one month at the time he started the juice. I think you are experiencing such strength right now.

[jrmy]

amazing progress man.you do have your pct ready correct?