Help with my 1st cycle in 3 years!

[smokeydabear]

Hey Bro's and Sis'...

I was hoping to get a little feedback and opinions of what would be a good cycle for me to do. I haven't "juiced" in about 3 years. My history of cycles were:

1st cycle: 10 weeks Test Enan. 400 mg/week
2nd cycle: 11 weeks Test Enan. 500mg/week
10 weeks Deca 400mg/week

My current situation...:

5'9" 190 lbs. I have a decent "natural" size, but would like the mass to go to better areas. I.e. from my stomach to my arms!

My Desires....:

I want to get a lower body fat ratio. As I said, to get the mass into the good areas. So I need more of a quality muscle gain, as opposed to straight mass. So I don't really think a DBOL cycle would be necessary. So bros.. please gimme a little insight and opinions on what would be a really good cycle to jump back into.

[TractionIssues]

Propose a cycle that interests you and your goals for us to help you.

[alpmaster]

You're problem is diet related and you think AAS are the answer.


Learn how to diet, then we can start talking about which compounds to use.

[smokeydabear]

You're problem is diet related and you think AAS are the answer.


Learn how to diet, then we can start talking about which compounds to use.

No not really. When I said that it was more of a joke than literal. I am in good shape. All i was trying to say is I don't need a bulking cycle, but more of a cutting/shredding cycle.

[smokeydabear]

Propose a cycle that interests you and your goals for us to help you.

Goals are really to get a little more shredded. I have the "bulk" down, now its time to shred up.

A proposed cycle.. I dunno exactly. But, I was thinking around a test winny.. or test/eq.. Also, I have always been a little interested in anavar but never seen it first hand.

P.S. That chick in your avatar has a smokin' lil body on her bro!

[smokeydabear]

Anyone else have suggestions on a good beginner/intermediate cutting cycle??

[peteroy01]

ill get bashed for recommending this but-
low dose Test with Tren(200mg test, 400mg tren)

[peteroy01]

track and smokey, who r those hot azz chicks in yalls avatar?

[alpmaster]

Have you ever cut before? How low do you get your body fat?

I just cut very, very nicely with test. But alas, it is up to diet and cardio. You cannot take a steroid that will just burn fat (tren is a little hyped up on that). Basically they are there to keep muscle loss to a very very low minimum so the fat burning process is easier. I just went from 14%bf to 11% and lost 4 pounds. When I would cut like that as a natural I would lose around 15-20 pounds.

Read up on compounds like T3 and Clen. If you PM me your proposed cutting diet, I can PM you back a good 12 week cycle to do it with.

[ninesecz]

Well 1 thing is for sure, You ned to continue like before and use test in whatever cycle you dicide on! I would say maybe deca @ 400mg a week with the test or EQ @ 600mg a week. i know you are probably thinking tren in there somewhere but not yet bro, you have never used it and dont need it now! To be honest, I think just the test alone with a good diet might do the trick!

[peteroy01]

not trying to argue but whats wrong with a low dose of test and tren? they way i see it is that tren has loads of sides but is dose dependent. a seasoned(educated) user has the knowledge to combat these sides and i think thats the reason so many people push others(newbs w/lack of knowledge) away from such an anabolic compound. personally after rereading this thread i realized you've had experience with a nor19, so maybe try a new one. but im the type of guy that always starts low with something new and has worked for me.

200mg test e or c WK
200mg of tren WK
i think this would work well to preserve muscle and build some while being sub Cal. also will help keep aggression in the gym.

ok now bring on the flaming

[smokeydabear]

What would be a good to do with anavar for a cutting cycle ?

[TractionIssues]

Pete he asked for a beginner/intermediate cycle and you told him to do Tren... Just take a second and I'm sure you can think about why that is wrong. The thing about Tren is, yes it's very potent but look at it this way, once you have done multiple Tren cycles, and it starts to lose effectiveness, what are you going to switch to? If Tren stop building muscle for you, there nothing else that will, and your only solution will be forced to take even more Tren to get results, and by then the sides will be so bad you will want to kill yourself. Just slowly go up the scale and you will be fine. I would recommend 75mg/ED Test Prop and Masteron, and if you really want you can add some Anavar with it.

[smokeydabear]

How would this cycle sound?....:

Wk 1-12, test enan, 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12, masteron enan, 400mg/wk
Wk 1-6, anavar, 50mg/day

Suggestions? Comments? Concerns?

[alpmaster]

How would this cycle sound?....:

Wk 1-12, test enan, 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12, masteron enan, 400mg/wk
Wk 1-6, anavar, 50mg/day

Suggestions? Comments? Concerns?

That's fine.

[peteroy01]

+1 on your cycle.

Traction-i didnt think that one would have to up their doses of anything if proper time is taken off with PCT. i dont remember anything about receptors being permanently damaged(or whatever). i could see that after somebody did so many cycles and surpasses their bodies ability to hold only so much muscle(with a specific dose) that they would have to up their doses. and then you go to GH. hope that makes sense. but if im wrong ill eat my words with now problem. im always ready for some school'in.

[TractionIssues]

+1 on your cycle.

Traction-i didnt think that one would have to up their doses of anything if proper time is taken off with PCT. i dont remember anything about receptors being permanently damaged(or whatever). i could see that after somebody did so many cycles and surpasses their bodies ability to hold only so much muscle(with a specific dose) that they would have to up their doses. and then you go to GH. hope that makes sense. but if im wrong ill eat my words with now problem. im always ready for some school'in.

It's as simple as this, things as strong as Tren should be kept as a back up secret weapon when all else fails. Because yes your body will become accustomed to it if cycle after cycle are the exact same compounds and dosage. As you would continue to follow the same cycle, it would take longer each time for receptors to come back to normal.

[peteroy01]

cool, thanx for the info. ill eat my words

OP-No tren for you!!! bad advice from me