Help me plan out my next bulk

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:12 AM

I was leaning towards test and eq but alot of yall said that you felt eq was a waste. I ran test/eq as my last cycle and liked it... BUT if the eq is truely a waste of money id much rather get something else... This will be my second injectable cycle. Age: 21 Bf: 10% Height: 5'10 weight: 180

I was thinking maybe test/deca? what do yall think. i just got done cutting so this will be a bulker

**G4R** · 07-25-2009, 01:14 AM

What are the rest of your stats?

Weight-scratch this
Training Exp-scratch this
PCT knowledge

Oh yeah..... only 21?!

And you just said you were 13% BF, now its 10%? And only 180 lbs?

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

What are the rest of your stats?

Weight
Training Exp
PCT knowledge

Oh yeah..... only 21?!

I just edited it, weight is 180, iv been training since 14, pct will be nolva/clomid.. and yeah only 21

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:16 AM

21 is young to be starting a second cycle

I happen to like EQ personally

Test/Deca or Test/Dbol would work.

What were the doses for your last cycle?

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:17 AM

I just got done cutting

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:18 AM

i put 13% but that was one of those bo bo digital handhelds... so i guesstimated 10% would be a little bit more accurate

**G4R** · 07-25-2009, 01:22 AM

As much as you prob don't want to hear it, you are too young. What does your diet look like (for bulking).

Put it up like this example:

Meal 1
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 2
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 3
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 4
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 5
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 6
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Totals: Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:25 AM

Saying 21 is too young is more so an opinion im not here to dicuss age more so my question. and im using dave palumbo's off season mass diet. I just got done cutting on his keto cutting diet.

**G4R** · 07-25-2009, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by dkoslo22

Saying 21 is too young is more so an opinion im not here to dicuss age more so my question. and im using dave palumbo's off season mass diet. I just got done cutting on his keto cutting diet.

Yeah, what does my opinion matter..... right?

Just read this...... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

Good luck and BE CAREFUL

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:37 AM

Yes i understand the whole "natural potential" thing... but The whole height thing im satisfied with my height.. and all the side effects can equally happen to me as you.. NOW i understand a KID usuing steroids anyone under 18... but an Educated adult is different.

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:43 AM

so you are not asking for our opinions?

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:47 AM

Not on what is the perfect age to start steroids.. that wasnt in the OP

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:50 AM

what do yall think

so just what you want to hear?

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:51 AM

read my first post

**G4R** · 07-25-2009, 01:52 AM

Not to be a jerk, but and "Educated Adult" wouldn't start using any AAS at the age of 21. Why don't you just tell us what you want us to say.

Maybe someone else will come on here and spoon feed you your info you wanted, but, IMO, you are too young and I will not recommend any cycles to someone I think is too young. If someone else wants to.... more power to you.

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:52 AM

nobody said you had to argue. take it or leave it but dont expect us not to point it out.

Ex. Guy wants advice on his deca only cycle. he is advised he should include test with the cycle. should that part have been left out?

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:53 AM

if your weight was 125 should we not mention that either?

stats are asked for a reason

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 01:59 AM

ok well all i want to know is what i asked.. thanks but no thanks for the age advise

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

21 is young to be starting a second cycle

I happen to like EQ personally

Test/Deca or Test/Dbol would work.

What were the doses for your last cycle?

sigh

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 02:13 AM

Ok heres my thing, What difference is there going to be a 21 year old to a 26 year old... side effect wise... so the 21 yr old is going to have all these harsh effects but the 26 yr old wont? I know there are side effects but i just dont see the big deal here.. it seems like the age just keeps on going up...

but i did test e/eq 500/500 for 12 weeks... everything was fine... got a little bit of acne thats about it... slight HBP but went away after cycle... Gained a good 20-30 lbs... wasnt all lean... did proper pct afterwards.. I personally liked it.. its just money is tight and if there is something better than eq thats not to powerful for a begeinner than i would rather give that a try

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 02:23 AM

the first part i do not need to address

as far as HBP did you take anything on cycle to help mitigate that?

20-30lbs not all lean means your diet needs work. i suggest dialing it in before starting your next cycle

what do you consider proper post cycle?

If money is tight then not the time to be running a cycle.

your going to need ancillaries/post cycle/food/etc

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

the first part i do not need to address

as far as HBP did you take anything on cycle to help mitigate that?

20-30lbs not all lean means your diet needs work. i suggest dialing it in before starting your next cycle

what do you consider proper post cycle?

If money is tight then not the time to be running a cycle.

your going to need ancillaries/post cycle/food/etc

Well HBP started to get noticeable towards the end.. so i just monitered it until i got off i didnt take anything since there was only 2-3 weeks left of the cycle. and yes i did gain a good amount of good muscle.. but i let my diet slip this time around it will be in check as i am planning on running dave palumbo's bulking diet. if you would like to see it i can show... and for pct it was nolva/clomid (got from the pct thread on this site) and i have the money.. i just ment i wanted to get the most out of this cycle

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 02:39 AM

Test at 500mg
Deca at 400mg

have on hand an AI and either caber or bromo (preferably caber)

seeing as you had issues with blood pressure i would personally prefer to use adex on cycle at .25mg EOD.

I think test/deca would be a good choice for your experience level.

post up what you think would be a good way to run it in detail for us to critique

**dkoslo22** · 07-25-2009, 02:47 AM

Test E @ 500mg weeks 1-12
Deca @ 400mg weeks 1-12
Armidex .5 ED
Nolva/Clomid weeks 14-18

Diet

MEAL 1:
6 whole eggs (buy the *****-3 EGGS they sell in the supermarket) with 1 cup of Oatmeal (cooked)

MEAL 2: (pre-workout)
SHAKE: 55g Whey Protein** with 40g Waxy Maize*** (high molecular weight carbohydrate) with 1 tablespoon of Macadamia Nut Oil

GYM: WEIGHT TRAINING

MEAL 3: (post-workout)
SHAKE: 55g Whey Protein** with 50g Waxy Maize*** (high molecular weight carbohydrate).

MEAL 4:
“LEAN PROTEIN MEAL” 8oz (cooked) of chicken (or turkey or lean fish or shrimp)-- with ½ cup cashew nuts (or almonds or walnuts) with 1 cup (cooked) RICE (brown)

MEAL 5:
“FATTY PROTEIN MEAL” 8oz (cooked) of red meat (or salmon or swordfish) with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive oil (or macadamia nut oil) and vinegar with 1 baked potato and/or yam

MEAL 6: Repeat One of Above

MEAL 7: 5 whole eggs

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:23 PM

Test should be run a week longer then deca

arimidex is too high .25 EOD or .25 ED at most

test e takes two weeks to clear and deca almost three so your post cycle start times are off as well.

for the diet i would advise you to actually figure out macros as well as your BMR and TDEE

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-25-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by dkoslo22

Ok heres my thing, What difference is there going to be a 21 year old to a 26 year old... side effect wise... so the 21 yr old is going to have all these harsh effects but the 26 yr old wont? I know there are side effects but i just dont see the big deal here.. it seems like the age just keeps on going up...

but i did test e/eq 500/500 for 12 weeks... everything was fine... got a little bit of acne thats about it... slight HBP but went away after cycle... Gained a good 20-30 lbs... wasnt all lean... did proper pct afterwards.. I personally liked it.. its just money is tight and if there is something better than eq thats not to powerful for a begeinner than i would rather give that a try

So you were 150lbs before you started your first cycle?

**feeldapump89** · 07-25-2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

Test should be run a week longer then deca

arimidex is too high .25 EOD or .25 ED at most

test e takes two weeks to clear and deca almost three so your post cycle start times are off as well.

for the diet i would advise you to actually figure out macros as well as your BMR and TDEE

I thought it was two weeks longer? Or is this incorrect can i get away with 1 week like you suggest i dont want deca dick or anything.

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 11:53 PM

a week longer is all you need

**feeldapump89** · 07-26-2009, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz;4***466

a week longer is all you need

Alright thanks ill keep this in mind for week 11 ciao

**dkoslo22** · 07-26-2009, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

So you were 150lbs before you started your first cycle?

i got up to 210. then cut down to 180

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-26-2009, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by dkoslo22;4***549

i got up to 210. then cut down to 180

So what did you start at?

Also its not the best idea to cut right after you cycle, puts the newly earned muscle in a vulnerable state.

**dkoslo22** · 07-26-2009, 02:23 AM

i started at like 180... but that was after a cut as well. I just have a problem with controlling the junk i eat... but this time around im not going to do it.

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-26-2009, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by dkoslo22;4***560

i started at like 180... but that was after a cut as well. I just have a problem with controlling the junk i eat... but this time around im not going to do it.

Thankfully my genetics have allowed me to never have to do cardio or cut in my life, the addition of gear to my lifestyle has made it even easier.

But I still limit what I eat, I don't keep a carb count or fat count I have eaten 400+ grams of carbs in a day and 150+ grams of fat, but I just make sure its from meat/turkey/chicken/steak/etc.

I drink alot of milk which gives me alot of carbs/fat, but hell I love milk.

**dkoslo22** · 07-26-2009, 02:32 AM

Yeah i recently just realized so much on diet... and hopefully this time around i will do things correctly... because every other bulk i have done ill wind up leaving my diet behind and eating a whole buch of trash... sure ill get big but when its time to cut again.. it makes it that much harder to obtain the leanness i want.. As of right now i kept alot of my size from my last cycle... but i did lose a good bit on the cut.. Im in a better place now than i ever was... but since im a endomorph diet is key

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