Taking t3..but no AAS

[TheBorch]

Ok i have read numerous thread on how its not a great idea to take t3 without taking AAS due to its catabolic factor. In abiut 7 weeks or so i am going to start taking T3/Clen. I am looking to use weight, i am not too concerned about muscle loss, however i do know to take in plenty of protein. My question is that since i do not want to go forward to thaking AAS is there any good sub's to at least help with strength. I.E 17 Hd and other related products.
thanks guys for any suggestions

[marcus300]

T3 on its own can be very catabolic and muscle loss does occur, all depends on the dose your using but if your not running something to counter act the muscle loss, then muscle waste does happen,

T3/clen combo is a different matter, the clen does help dramaticly with muscle loss and if you dont want to run a low dose AAS, then clen/t3 combo will be fine and if your not bothered about muscle loss as you stated i dont think you need to run anything else except the combo.

[The Deuce]

T3 on its own can be very catabolic and muscle loss does occur, all depends on the dose your using but if your not running something to counter act the muscle loss, then muscle waste does happen,

T3/clen combo is a different matter, the clen does help dramaticly with muscle loss and if you dont want to run a low dose AAS, then clen/t3 combo will be fine and if your not bothered about muscle loss as you stated i dont think you need to run anything else except the combo.

See that's why I love ya Marcus hahaha I learn something NEW everyday from you.. I did not know that CLEN itself will stop the catabolic muscle loss from T3 without another muscle gainer... IE- Test/Primo/EQ anything !!! I always thought you had to run some sort of MUSCLE GAINER to prevent MUSCLE LOSS.. from the T3...

I am scared to death to run Clen, I can not stand a racing heart.. it immediately puts me into a panic attack, but then again I have talked to people WHO SAID... that the muscle racing from clen is not any different than then speedy feeling you get from guzzling a redbull.. except instead of it lasting like an hour it's an all day affair...

I dunno I have a feeling I am going to have to run the CLEN at some point to rip this bodyfat off of me to be competition ready for next year.. I dunno we shall see what I can do over the winter.. if things aren't looking good in the next 6 months I'll have to suck it up and run clen, even if I just RUN IT LOW to begin with to see if my BODY can handle it...

oh and OP sorry for the kinda mini

[marcus300]

Depends on the dose of t3 but yes taking clen along side t3 will help for muscle wastage because the anabolic properties of clen, or i should say its far better than just taking t3 on its own.

Ive used it many times t3/clen combo with a carb cycling diet and held onto muscle tissue far better than t3 alone, if i have ever ran t3 alone ive always used a low dose test to compensate the possible waste.

[TheBorch]

so would i reap better benefits if i did take a product like 17-HD or anything like it, to gain some muscle? or would that just be a waste?

[HIITB$]

so would i reap better benefits if i did take a product like 17-HD or anything like it, to gain some muscle? or would that just be a waste?

what is that?

[ganu]

depends on the dose of t3 but yes taking clen along side t3 will help for muscle wastage because the anabolic properties of clen, or i should say its far better than just taking t3 on its own.

Ive used it many times t3/clen combo with a carb cycling diet and held onto muscle tissue far better than t3 alone, if i have ever ran t3 alone ive always used a low dose test to compensate the possible waste.

hey marcus could you explain why people dont recommend clen during pct if its not going to waste any muscles..clen causes a dip in strength so the workout weights automatically goes down..can this be the reason why clen is not recommended for pct..

[marcus300]

hey marcus could you explain why people dont recommend clen during pct if its not going to waste any muscles..clen causes a dip in strength so the workout weights automatically goes down..can this be the reason why clen is not recommended for pct..

Dont know who is giving you that information, but clen in PCT is excellent and for me my strength increases on clen, it helps to keep you anabolic during a time when things are usually go in the other direction.

[Hunter]

marcus do you really think the anti-catoblic effects of clen cancel out the catobolic effect of t3? Personally I have always thought that the anti catobolic effects are clen are over estimated. Whats your opinion on this?

[marcus300]

marcus do you really think the anti-catoblic effects of clen cancel out the catobolic effect of t3? Personally I have always thought that the anti catobolic effects are clen are over estimated. Whats your opinion on this?

All i can go by is my experience on using both many times, for me i respond well to the t3/clen combo with a basic diet, seems to strip BF off while maintaining tissue, i am a believer in doing things slowly so when i do diet i go by the carb cycling approach and adjust carbs daily to suit how i am looking.

I feel alot of people when using cutting compounds attack the diet to harsh especially at the start of the cycle and this signals a response by the body and muscle tissue can be wasted.

Without doubt using high amounts of t3 on its own produces a catabolic effect but when dieting i dont tend to use any kind of high amounts of anything because i try and let the cardio and diet strip me rather than the drugs, the drugs just give me an edge when i come to a sticking point.

Do i think they will cancel all the catabolic effects out of t3?, that would depend on how much your running of t3, how harsh your diet is but i do think it helps to cancel out alot if your in a positive state with your diet to help it along, balance and knowing your own body how they react to each compound would give you the exact answer. If your going to run some AAS with this combo i'd only use a small amount if any at all, i'd rather use AAS to build and when cutting use my diet and cardio and some added chemicals to help with sticking points throughout the cycle.

[Hunter]

All i can go by is my experience on using both many times, for me i respond well to the t3/clen combo with a basic diet, seems to strip BF off while maintaining tissue, i am a believer in doing things slowly so when i do diet i go by the carb cycling approach and adjust carbs daily to suit how i am looking.

I feel alot of people when using cutting compounds attack the diet to harsh especially at the start of the cycle and this signals a response by the body and muscle tissue can be wasted.

Without doubt using high amounts of t3 on its own produces a catabolic effect but when dieting i dont tend to use any kind of high amounts of anything because i try and let the cardio and diet strip me rather than the drugs, the drugs just give me an edge when i come to a sticking point.

Do i think they will cancel all the catabolic effects out of t3?, that would depend on how much your running of t3, how harsh your diet is but i do think it helps to cancel out alot if your in a positive state with your diet to help it along, balance and knowing your own body how they react to each compound would give you the exact answer. If your going to run some AAS with this combo i'd only use a small amount if any at all, i'd rather use AAS to build and when cutting use my diet and cardio and some added chemicals to help with sticking points throughout the cycle.

thanks for you input marcus just trying to gather as much info,opinions and experiance as I can.

[TheBorch]

i appreciate all the answers and help, but still no answer to the question about taking 17-HD or a related product to help with gains and to counter muscle loss???

[TheBorch]

also what is a good way to cycle this????

Clen Ed with T3 for 2 weeks... then 2 weeks off clen while still cycling t3?

[TheBorch]

anybody?