clen = heart attack

[slb32688]

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

[RuhlFreak55]

literal heart attack?

[slb32688]

yes they said it was like a cocaine heart attack

[RuhlFreak55]

well how the **** much did you take? maybe it wasn't dosed right?

[Phate]

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

we need more info,

any history of high blood pressure?

anxiety?

hypertension?

sensitive to stimulants?

how much did you use?

did you switch from ugl to pharm grade?

[RuhlFreak55]

we need more info,

any history of high blood pressure?

anxiety?

hypertension?

sensitive to stimulants?

how much did you use?

did you switch from ugl to pharm grade?

isn't that the same thing mr. phate?

[Phate]

isn't that the same thing mr. phate?

yeah, but alot of people think they are different and some docs will tell someone they are hypertensive or they have high blood pressure but not both(they pick the term they like the best), i'm just covering bases, lol

[RuhlFreak55]

yeah, but alot of people think they are different and some docs will tell someone they are hypertensive or they have high blood pressure but not both(they pick the term they like the best), i'm just covering bases, lol

i figured that actually lol

[slb32688]

120 msg

[RuhlFreak55]

that's pretty damn high....did you pyramid up to that?

[ted666]

sorry to hear that ! thats ****** up way to find out something!!!!

[slb32688]

no no history of anything i used 120 msg and no both were research chem
grade

[Phate]

i figured that actually lol

lol, here it's not as much of a problem but some of the other forums i'm on i swear it's like 6th grade show and tell, i have to explain EVERYTHING

no no history of anything i used 120 msg and no both were research chem
grade

when you get 25 post pm me the companies, i think you might have gotten overdosed product

[slb32688]

when i went off the first cycle i was at 200msg

[slb32688]

thats what i was wandering

[hankdiesel]

Did you take 120mcg at once your first day back from the two week off period?

[lotsoftime]

During 2 weeks my max is 200(NEVER OVER) and at the end no side... two weeks off and easily back at 20 and crazy sides. Jumping back into a big dose... would be over the top.

Lesson learned the hard way

[got fina?]

Wooooooow bro sorry to hear that!!!!

I think the most important thing about Clen is to ALWAYS start low and work your way up.

Again, im really sorry to hear that and hope all is well.

[KimboHalfSlice]

You've got balls going back on the stuff. I'd be scared to go near them for quite a long time if I had a heart attack.

Is there any permanent damage to your heart or are you brand new?

[aldemoro]

i have finished my 2 weeks cycle and i got high temperatur aroun 38 and cant sleep i have pain in my foot its like blood is not reaching my legs. And i have direa

[BJJ]

i have finished my 2 weeks cycle and i got high temperatur aroun 38 and cant sleep i have pain in my foot its like blood is not reaching my legs. And i have direa

What do you mean "i have direa?.
Perhaps diarrhoea?

[sfour_tay]

Get off it then. Not worth it bro. Every one reacts different. I had a big scare the other night where it took me 3 hours to catch my breath after going at it with the old lady. I'm off it now and don't plan on using anything but pharm grade ever again.

[slb32688]

i have no plans of ever using it again the doctor said it would cause another one. i guess i will have to relay totally on diet now

[slb32688]

(phate) the last i used was from a big mean cat

[IM708]

What is your weight/height?

How long have you been doing intense exercise before using clen?

How long have you been doing regular bouts of cardio?

Previous medical issues we should know about (the ones phate was inquiring about)?

[BJJ]

im a 28 year old male I done one cycle of clen no problems off cycled for two weeks swicthed brands of clen first dose gave me a heart attack.
My questions is what would have caused it

I am sorry to read that.
I was planning to use it also on my first pct.
I read that the best thing is to start with 20mcg goig up slowly like the following:
20/40/40/60/60/80/80/100 till the end of 2W.
Furthermore, I noticed that first time users should not go over 100mcg and experienced ones no more than 160mcg ED and also that clen takes literally away taurine from the heart so a supplementation of 2 or 3 gr ED is necessary.

How did you take it exactly?

[slb32688]

i have been doing cadio for about a mouth before i started. at the rat of 2 to 4 times awee. and had no known medical problems before this

[IM708]

i have been doing cadio for about a mouth before i started. at the rat of 2 to 4 times awee. and had no known medical problems before this

Height and Weight?

[Dancer]

Height and Weight?

I am gonna take a stab at this in the dark and say:

1) The OP took enough time off to clear his receptors

2) The OP is most liklt above 12%

3) The combination of above base line bf% along with high dosage of clen wasa contibuting factor to cardiac arrest

[Phate]

how would high bf% increase risks(assuming he's not obese)

beta adrenoreceptors are only found in brown adipose, not white adipose if i'm not mistaken

[Dancer]

how would high bf% increase risks(assuming he's not obese)

beta adrenoreceptors are only found in brown adipose, not white adipose if i'm not mistaken

The higher the bf% the greater risk for cardiac problems, there is an helll let me go find the stude be back in an hour...

per extra percentage of bf% the greater the risk....

[slb32688]

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

[BJJ]

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

I have no direct experience yet but from what I researched I believe you started to high.

[Dancer]

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

How long?

[in2shape]

I am sorry to read that.
I was planning to use it also on my first pct.
I read that the best thing is to start with 20mcg goig up slowly like the following:
20/40/40/60/60/80/80/100 till the end of 2W.
Furthermore, I noticed that first time users should not go over 100mcg and experienced ones no more than 160mcg ED and also that clen takes literally away taurine from the heart so a supplementation of 2 or 3 gr ED is necessary.

How did you take it exactly?

very true

on my first cycle i started at 80/100/100/120/140/140/160/200 till i off cycled then when i started back i used 120

i started at 20 mcg and went up like this 20/20/30/30/40/40/60/60/80/70/90/80/80 .... 90mcg i couldnt tolerate shakes , sweats , high bp, high temp, 80 mcg was good 4 me actually all it was was tolerable !!!!!!!!!

imho there is no set protocol on dosage mcg's just slowly bump up and see where you end up as i did i have no doubt why u had a heart attack with little knowledge and such high dosages and lack of training sorry if i sound harsh but sh!t in any 1's books its high , there is no way i could go near 200 no where near it !!!!!!!! sorry to hear your story ....stay away from clen ...in future educate yourself ...better to educate than medicate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RuhlFreak55]

i've never gone above 120mcg and that was INTENSE

[Dancer]

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/n...-heart-disease

<<< that one but not the one i recall from 2004....

I'll keep looking

[Phate]

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/n...-heart-disease

<<< that one but not the one i recall from 2004....

I'll keep looking

i realize about cytokines, but when they say overweight they are referring to 20+% bf, 12-15% in the medical community(to my knowledge at least) is considered lean

[Dancer]

Misleading...

obese is said gto be above 20% bf%

over weight is above the base line gov. guildlines

Although once you click on over weight on wedmd you get a redirect to obese for some reason.

But to the best of my understanding over weight and obese and different.

Coupled with a beta 2 antag at higher dosages you are gonna have some issues.

[Phate]

Misleading...

obese is said gto be above 20% bf%

over weight is above the base line gov. guildlines

Although once you click on over weight on wedmd you get a redirect to obese for some reason.

But to the best of my understanding over weight and obese and different.

Coupled with a beta 2 antag at higher dosages you are gonna have some issues.

i can agree with that, lol, i'm betting on wayy overdosed product