over training on juice??!?!?!?

[bennosust]

hey, iv been doing my cycle now for about 7 weeks and altho iv put on 7-8kgs i just wanted to ask the question.. is it possible to over train on gear? I was talking to a fellow earlier today and explaining that im doing 4 sets and 4-5 excersices and he seems to think im doing way too much work (altho i didnt mention i was on steroids) im eating 5 times a day and getting in 3 shakes and am also still getting fairly sore after my workouts (1-2days later) also once i get off my gear should i peg back my workouts to 3 sets 3 excersices etc? anyhelp would be great.. ( im doing cyp, deca, eq) cycle.. altho at small doeses too, thats not my questiion but just could help with some answers.. thank you guys

[*El Diablo*]

hey, iv been doing my cycle now for about 7 weeks and altho iv put on 7-8kgs i just wanted to ask the question.. is it possible to over train on gear? I was talking to a fellow earlier today and explaining that im doing 4 sets and 4-5 excersices and he seems to think im doing way too much work (altho i didnt mention i was on steroids) im eating 5 times a day and getting in 3 shakes and am also still getting fairly sore after my workouts (1-2days later) also once i get off my gear should i peg back my workouts to 3 sets 3 excersices etc? anyhelp would be great.. ( im doing cyp, deca, eq) cycle.. altho at small doeses too, thats not my questiion but just could help with some answers.. thank you guys

What is your goal? Bulk or Cut?

[bennosust]

my goal is to be bigger then ron coleman.. but obviously not going to happen lol... yea bulking mate

[premedreject]

that is a good goal!!!

[premedreject]

what do you consider small doses?

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

how long are your workouts?

[ancientgr]

you can totally overtrain on or off juice, but what you're doing 4 sets with 4-5 diff exercises, doesn't sound like overtraining.

are you working the same muscles everyday? my track coach (former alternate olympian and national coach) said that you can train the same muscles everyday if you're on juice. that's the point. i don't necessarily agree with that, the muscle needs time to heal and grow.

someone will ask, can you put up a typical weekly routine.

[lift2win]

sore muscles are from built up lactic acid in the muscles worked. im going to bet ur not drinking enough water. the water flushes out ur body and gets rid of the lactic acid and the soreness will go away. on gear i drink no less then 2 gallons a day. be sure you are getting a minimum of a gallon of PURE water. this does not count for the water that is used in your shakes and such must be ONLY water. do u know how much water u are currently taking in each day?

[bennosust]

hey small does's means 200mg test, 150mg deca+eq.. water is about 2-2.5 ltrs a day... about 5 with shakes... cordial etc... umm training for 1-1.5hrs a nite rotating muscle groups.. will be up'ing my test too 500mg/wk

[bennosust]

routine

monday - back
lat pull downs 4sets
close grip pull downs 4 sets
rows 4 sets
shrugs 4 sets
deadlifts 4 sets

tues - chest (working upper)
incline dumbells - 4 sets
incline bench - 4 sets
incline cable flys - 4 sets
dips forward - 4 sets to failure

wed - legs
squats 4 sets
leg press - 4 sets

thurs - shoulders
shoulder press dumbells 4 sets
front raises (not sure what there called but for front of shoulders) 4 sets
rear raises 4 sets
side raises 4 sets
upright rows 3 sets

fri - arms
barbell curls 6sets
consertration curls 6 sets
preacher 6 sets

close grip bench 4 sets
overhead tricep cables 4 sets
sitting behind head dumbell things 4 sets
dips to failure 3-4 sets.
(sometimes skull crushers in place of behind head dumbbells)

[Tarheel]

routine

monday - back
lat pull downs 4sets
close grip pull downs 4 sets
rows 4 sets
shrugs 4 sets
deadlifts 4 sets

tues - chest (working upper)
incline dumbells - 4 sets
incline bench - 4 sets
incline cable flys - 4 sets
dips forward - 4 sets to failure

wed - legs
squats 4 sets
leg press - 4 sets

thurs - shoulders
shoulder press dumbells 4 sets
front raises (not sure what there called but for front of shoulders) 4 sets
rear raises 4 sets
side raises 4 sets
upright rows 3 sets

fri - arms
barbell curls 6sets
consertration curls 6 sets
preacher 6 sets

close grip bench 4 sets
overhead tricep cables 4 sets
sitting behind head dumbell things 4 sets
dips to failure 3-4 sets.
(sometimes skull crushers in place of behind head dumbbells)

Hey bro I know that this is a litttle off the beaten path but heres a tip for ya: I noticed that you do 18 sets for biceps alone totaling 33 sets for arms and you only do 8 sets for legs...legs are the largest muscle group in the body and arms are one of the smallest but your doing more than 4 x's the amount of sets for arms than you do legs. Put some more working sets in your leg workout and less for you biceps and triceps. If you train hard and strict you probably dont need more than 12 sets each (totalling 24)for bis and tris. When I up the intensity and workload in my leg workouts I noticed a whole body benefit from it. Otherwise, keep up the hard work!

[bennosust]

Hey bro I know that this is a litttle off the beaten path but heres a tip for ya: I noticed that you do 18 sets for biceps alone totaling 33 sets for arms and you only do 8 sets for legs...legs are the largest muscle group in the body and arms are one of the smallest but your doing more than 4 x's the amount of sets for arms than you do legs. Put some more working sets in your leg workout and less for you biceps and triceps. If you train hard and strict you probably dont need more than 12 sets each (totalling 24)for bis and tris. When I up the intensity and workload in my leg workouts I noticed a whole body benefit from it. Otherwise, keep up the hard work!

sweet bro cheers for the tips... that reason is because i dread training legs... i dont enjoy it at all i dont get satifaction out of it... where as arms are one thing i feel i need work on and i do extra sets etc... then it kinda brought me to this whole question of over training... but yea... most weeks i do a lil more then that on legs but that was just a typical week for me. Thanks mate

[domeyeahaigh]

number one rule in life...dont be a p*ssy ...you can pretty much apply this anywhere anytime no joke

anyways..listen to your body..if it feels like it needs a rest give it a damn rest...

sounds like you on good track tho

[bennosust]

hahah i dont feel like i need a rest thats all... iv been getting a lil sore 1-2 days after workouts in that body part but nothing like when i was on no juice..

i guess what im trying to ask is the more i train 1 area the bigger it will get ? or is there a chance im hammering it too much and not getting maximum gains. as u will notice in my arm workouts i wanna get them bigger then the rest of my body.. (or catch up to) Iv heard some ppl traing twice a day!!!

[domeyeahaigh]

with your split your good to go...

only thing I would do differently is train biceps monday triceps tuesday and keep arms day the same..just the same add a bit...

when I began working each muscle once a week I saw tremendous results over what I had been doing before...however my arms began to lag.....so I upped it and now my arms are comin back n ima be swolllllll


respect

[bennosust]

only thing I would do differently is train biceps monday triceps tuesday and keep arms day the same..just the same add a bit...

Im not to sure what your saying here... so split up arms... into 2 days...?? then do both together on the 3rd??

cheers

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey, iv been doing my cycle now for about 7 weeks and altho iv put on 7-8kgs i just wanted to ask the question.. is it possible to over train on gear? I was talking to a fellow earlier today and explaining that im doing 4 sets and 4-5 excersices and he seems to think im doing way too much work (altho i didnt mention i was on steroids) im eating 5 times a day and getting in 3 shakes and am also still getting fairly sore after my workouts (1-2days later) also once i get off my gear should i peg back my workouts to 3 sets 3 excersices etc? anyhelp would be great.. ( im doing cyp, deca, eq) cycle.. altho at small doeses too, thats not my questiion but just could help with some answers.. thank you guys

If you are training with great intensity then you are massively over-training IMO..Try 8-12 work intense sets once per week and you should grow.

[green22]

Hey bro I know that this is a litttle off the beaten path but heres a tip for ya: I noticed that you do 18 sets for biceps alone totaling 33 sets for arms and you only do 8 sets for legs...legs are the largest muscle group in the body and arms are one of the smallest but your doing more than 4 x's the amount of sets for arms than you do legs. Put some more working sets in your leg workout and less for you biceps and triceps. If you train hard and strict you probably dont need more than 12 sets each (totalling 24)for bis and tris. When I up the intensity and workload in my leg workouts I noticed a whole body benefit from it. Otherwise, keep up the hard work!

Yea Ill second that one. Work you legs more and back off on the arms.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

Hey bro I know that this is a litttle off the beaten path but heres a tip for ya: I noticed that you do 18 sets for biceps alone totaling 33 sets for arms and you only do 8 sets for legs...legs are the largest muscle group in the body and arms are one of the smallest but your doing more than 4 x's the amount of sets for arms than you do legs. Put some more working sets in your leg workout and less for you biceps and triceps. If you train hard and strict you probably dont need more than 12 sets each (totalling 24)for bis and tris. When I up the intensity and workload in my leg workouts I noticed a whole body benefit from it. Otherwise, keep up the hard work!

agreed!

Bis and Tris need only 6-8 total sets each to toast 'em

I myself do atleast 16 sets for legs .. somehow legs grow with both volume and heavy-based training... so alternate between both but with intensity

[bennosust]

OK, so i know i might be repeating myself a bit but your saying WORK harder on legs and less on arms etc and it should all come together as a whole and everything should increase in size... its arm day today... so how does 3 excersises 4 sets for tris and same for bi's ? or still too much? its just a hard thing to do less when i want more out of them lol!! thats why im asking the pros.. cheers

[CrazyHorse13]

Yeah...with your arms....you need to switch out the barbell curl and the preacher curl...there pretty much the same thing....try taking away your least favorite....and and like incline dumbell curl with Hammer curl....

Heck I'll show you mine
Incline dumbell curl 3 sets - 10, 8, 6
Barbell Curl 3 sets -10, 8, 6
Hammer Curl 3 sets - 10, 8, 6
Concentration curl 3 sets 10, 8, 6

this is my bicep workout.....I think it might help you better....esspecially with targeting all areas of the bicep...what do you guys think

[dec11]

dont get paranoid about bi's, most overtrained bp, havnt been able to do bi's in 3months now due to forearm injury, havnt lost any size on em at all, just perhaps a little fullness gone, back work keeps them there, agreed on aboves give your legs a beta thrashing and if your feeling dead weight and lagging then rest. good luck

[bennosust]

thanks boys... thanks for the setup crazyhorse... gonna give that a smash next week.. also declan im not worried about losing my arms... im trying BUILD some as mine are small

[soleskier]

hey, iv been doing my cycle now for about 7 weeks and altho iv put on 7-8kgs i just wanted to ask the question.. is it possible to over train on gear? I was talking to a fellow earlier today and explaining that im doing 4 sets and 4-5 excersices and he seems to think im doing way too much work (altho i didnt mention i was on steroids) im eating 5 times a day and getting in 3 shakes and am also still getting fairly sore after my workouts (1-2days later) also once i get off my gear should i peg back my workouts to 3 sets 3 excersices etc? anyhelp would be great.. ( im doing cyp, deca, eq) cycle.. altho at small doeses too, thats not my questiion but just could help with some answers.. thank you guys

If you are still sore 1-2 days later it is 1 of 2 things:

1. as mentioned before not enough H20

2. I would question the strength or authenticity of your gear

The loss of soreness is the one huge benefit from gear- now feeling tight and worked is normal but there should not be much pain days later.

I am sure you are motivated and working really hard but it is hard to overtrain when you have a body full of TEST.

[leviathan_sos]

DC training here.

I never liked the conventional crap

[Dukkit]

a good way to prevent over training.... EAT MORE!!!!!

[bennosust]

thanks for the heads up, i thought i was drinking plenty of water but perhaps still not enuff... my gear is definatly real as iv jumped up an extra 45kgs on bench alone in 5 weeks.. its not like im getting overly sore, but just i can noticed im tweaked a couple days after and yea was under the impression that test would get rid of this..!!

[CrazyHorse13]

Let me know how your bicep workout goes

[lovbyts]

I dont agree with the gear being fake theory since mine is prescription so it's 100% real and I still get sore. I also drink a lot of water maybe not 2 gallons a day but still a lot.

[ScotchGuard]

If I spend 2 hours in the gym working hard I feel sluggish the next day. If I spend 1.5 hours in the gym working hard I'm sharp the next day. For me, it's how long I'm in the gym not necessaryly how hard I'm pushing. I guess if you're in the gym longer your pushing more. So in that way, I know to stop after 1 hour or 1.5 hours. You should listen to your body. If you're not sharp the next day take note how many sets or how long you've been in the gym. Cut it down a little and see how you feel the next day. Once you tune into your training zone you can work hard and look forward to the next day.

[bennosust]

I dont agree with the gear being fake theory since mine is prescription so it's 100% real and I still get sore. I also drink a lot of water maybe not 2 gallons a day but still a lot.

yea my new sus250 is prescriptoin too bro and still a tad sore.

[lovbyts]

yea my new sus250 is prescriptoin too bro and still a tad sore.

I also take potassium and eat at least one banana every day so that's not the issue either. I think you just get sore if you have a good workout. I rarely dont get sore after working out.

[bennosust]

its cause we rip shit up bro and everyone else is a cat... hahah

[lovbyts]

its cause we rip shit up bro and everyone else is a cat... hahah

Agreed. LOL

Or maybe it's just because I'm getting old....

No I agree with your first statement.

[bennosust]

deffinately the first one.. im only 23 bro lol

[spooledup]

If you are still sore 1-2 days later it is 1 of 2 things:

1. as mentioned before not enough H20

2. I would question the strength or authenticity of your gear

The loss of soreness is the one huge benefit from gear- now feeling tight and worked is normal but there should not be much pain days later.

I am sure you are motivated and working really hard but it is hard to overtrain when you have a body full of TEST.

What a bunch of crap.

If you're not getting sore you're overtraining...period.

Loss of soreness from gear? Overtrain when you're off gear and you won't get sore either.

Just when you thought you heard it all...

[CrazyHorse13]

One time...I did legs.....and they were jello....bad.......then when i woke up in the moring..they were still jello.....never had that happen before....I think that would be over trained........have you tried out my bicep exercise

[ranging1]

yes u can overtrain on gear, and its easier then most think

as said above by ronnie rowland, 9-12 sets is PLENTY, hell i on average do between 6-9sets and never go over 9 sets for anything, and i grow GREAT, but everyone is different and responds differently to different volumes

ways to prevent overtraining is give ur body time to rest,
muscle soreness is not a sign of overtraining,
nor is it a sign that ur bodys recovered, if ur muscles arent sore that doesnt mean their recovered,
people who think, if there muscles arent sore they must be recovered or if their not sore they havent trained them hard enough simply dont know what their talking about, muscle soreness is a poor indicator of anything

food is also important to prevent overtraining, all the gear in the world wont allow u to recover or protect ur muscle if u dont eat enough, so make sure ur eating plently

but also remeber that though people say food can prevent overtraining, food also puts on fat, if ur getting stronger but gaining a fair bit of fat, thats a sign that ur calorie intake is to high
BUT if u think thats the calorie intake u require to allow ur muscles to recover, then ur probably training to much, since u can put on fairly lean muscle mass WITHOUT lots of fat

overtraining is also more common on the CNS system, rather then muscles, meaning u need rest days, remember muscles grow to lift heavier weights, ur CNS doesnt, meaning the heavier the weight u lift, the more recovery u CNS needs, this is WHY rest days are imporant, its gives ur CNS a break

best thing to do is listen to ur body, if ur arms arent gettting bigger or stronger, then ur most likely overtraining them
if ur looosing strength ur probably overtraining, if u have excessive muscle soreness (i mean excessive) for several days then ur overtraining, thats the only time muscle sorenesss is probably a indicator of overtraining
if uve been benching, or squating etc the same thing for a few weeks irrelevant of ur diet and training mixes, then its probably overtraining

last thing, alot of people think now im on gear i can do HEAPS OF sets,
anser is simply NO,
if ur on ALOT of gear then YES u probably can do alot of sets
but i mean alot of gear, an example of this is ronnie coleman does between 12-15 sets for his biceps, and he says doing anymore he could overtrain?
now lets examine this,
ronnie coleman has monster biceps, so they probably require more sets to stimulate growth
ronnie coleman is probably on grams upon grams of anabolics, id say over 3-4grams easily
ronnie coleman is proably on insulin (VERY ANABOLIC, its amazing this stuff in terms of growth, it can do more for revovery then steroids)
ronnie probably runs growth hormone constantly
ronnie coleman is probably eating over 7000-8000 calories daily, easily
theirs more but i think thats enough to address my point

i use the word PROBABLY becuase i havent asked ronnie coleman, but im sure anyone who understands the size of these guys know what i just said is true

now ill ask u, do u come close to ronnie?
do u have biceps that size?
do u use over 4 grams of anabolics?
do u use large amounts of insulin and growth hormone

anser is probably NOT, id say most people wouldnt use half of that
now if ur one those people why would u go do equal or more sets for ur biceps? hell even close to the amount of sets he does
i dont think i need to state my point, BUT what im trying to address here is doing that many sets isnt going to benefit u, ud probably amzed at the results u can get if u did less

[ranging1]

bump

[ancientgr]

ronnie coleman has monster biceps, so they probably require more sets to stimulate growth
ronnie coleman is probably on grams upon grams of anabolics, id say over 3-4grams easily
ronnie coleman is proably on insulin (VERY ANABOLIC, its amazing this stuff in terms of growth, it can do more for revovery then steroids)
ronnie probably runs growth hormone constantly
ronnie coleman is probably eating over 7000-8000 calories daily, easily

There are two vids online that you can download regarding Ronnie Coleman. The first one is very interesting about his life as a cop and how he trains while still working full-time. The vid is a while ago but entertaining.

The second video isn't very interesting but it following him around working out, and eating. The guy is either eating, driving to or from the gym, or working out. There wasn't much else. They show exactly what he eats and to say...it is a lot. And all the supplements he uses. They don't show him injecting anything tho, so I don't think he is on any juice

Do watch the vid if you can get it.