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    Talking Cycle advise please

    So like 90% of posts heres...this is my first cycle and I would like some input. I have been researching here for 2 years so I am not going in blind. Please let me know if anything is flawed.

    -----Stats-----
    2.5 years dedicated training (4-5 days/week)
    27 y/o
    5'11"
    175 lbs. (please hold flames until you read below)
    ~12% BF (never tested, just quoted by a member here)

    -----Compounds on Hand-----
    2 - Test E 10ml (300mg/ml)
    50 - Arimidex (.25mg)
    Nolva (50 mL 20mg/mL) (Lion)
    Clomid (70 mL 35mg/mL) (Lion)
    Accutane (90 tabs 20 mg)
    Milk Thistle (100 tabs 1,000mg)
    Avodart (.5mg, nonstop flow)

    -----Cycle Details-----
    Weeks Compound
    1-12 Test E - 150mg every 3.5 days
    1-14 Arimidex - .25mg EOD
    14-15 Nolva 40mg ED
    14-15 Clomid 100mg ED
    16-17 Nolva 20mg ED
    16-17 Clomid 50mg ED

    -----Other-----
    Avodart - .5mg ED Non stop (on now and will be for a long time)
    Accutance - 20mg ED Weeks 2-14
    Milk Thistle - 1,000mg ED Weeks 2-14
    Alcohol swabs for injects
    25 - 23G 1" Needles
    25 - 23G 1.5" Needles
    10 - Syringe 10cc/ml

    -----Diet/Pic-----
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=400659

    -----Workout-----
    Lengthy and limited input needed. I have 100% faith in my current training. I have a few ??s about training while on cycle...I will open a thread in the workout section.

    -----Goals-----
    195 lbs.
    Retain or lose BF - 12% Maximum

    ----Other Notes-----
    I will focus mostly on Upper Pecs, Delts, Abs, Quads & Calfs. I would say these parts are lagging but I think it's more appropriate to say I have a few parts that are ahead (Lower Chest & Traps...Bis/Tris are OK).

    I am running the Arimidex because I have to run Avodart. With the added Test, I'd have an abundance of Estrogen. I have opened threads about preventing all aromatasation (spelling?) all together, everyone agreed it's safe. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4846083

    I'm only running 300mg/week of Test E because I would like to test the waters. I have also read a thread with very knowledgeable members (including Big & 007) stating if everything is spot on, 300mg/week will yield significant gains. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393171

    First pin will be Wednesday 9/30 8pm. Pins will be Wednesdays 8pm and Sunday 8am. Alternate between glute and quad.

    Yes I know I could gain more naturally. I believe this will be the only critique. I am, however, 27 and getting antsy. My physical overhaul started at 185lbs/~20% BF. I got down to 165lbs/~10% BF and now I'm up to 175lbs. I want to speed up my gains and this is a good time to do it; I'm single for the first time in years, so I have no one to have to worry about hiding it from & I also have no distraction). I would like to start the experience now, when 100% of my focus can be dedicated to it. This includes not only the compounds, but diet, workout, lifestyle, etc. This is the best time in my life to fully develop these disciplines.

    Despite everything I just said, if you still feel compelled to tell me to wait, you are more then welcome to. However, I believe a very large percentage of people on here did not wait till they were 100% genetically maxed out. My BF and age are good, weight is low, but I believe not too low.

    Finally, a huge thanks to everyone here! I can't begin to tell you all how much you have taught me and the respect I've gained for all of you is something I certainly never expected. The things I learned here, I expect to slightly reroute my path in life for the better. I hope you all fully realize the positive influence you have on people like me -- and more importantly, the 18y/o with 2 months lifting exp. who want to run a Deca only cycle ;-Þ

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    First off, congrats on gettin that bf% down. u look to have a pretty solid base. i think too many guys on here have their mind set on guys having to be 200+lbs to start using gear, which i think in SOME cases is BS cuz not everyone has the same goals in mind

    that said, you look like you have done some research, thatll help speed up the advice process

    with the dose, IMO, that is low. i agree it will yield some gains, but maybe not the gains you are looking for unless your diet and training is spot on and nearly mistake free.

    use of the AI isnt a bad idea IMO

    PCT looks good, i personally like to start my pct about 11 days after my last shot (when using test e) thats what i did last cycle and recovered great

    as for the accutane, DO NOT USE IT UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED IT! that is some pretty serious stuff and intended for peop that have severe acne, not intended as a preventative

    with the use of adex you should keep those estrogen sides down as well as the fact that you are using a low dose test

    as for the milk thistle, eh sure it wont hurt for you to use it, but IMO it isnt really really needed. if drop the dose to about 500mg/day

    id DEFINITELY get some 25g 1 inch pns for your quads. 23g may hurt. ive used 23g in my quads a couple times before and will never again

    cycle and pct look good (except consider starting pct about 11 days after last shot)
    test dose will ultimately be up to you
    run the adex up to pct if you choose to use it, then discontinue during pct
    DROP THE ACCUTANE
    make sure you got that diet in check before you start

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    Thanks for the advise. The Milk Thistle is only for the Accutane. I have heard it is pretty serious stuff so I will reconsider; at the very least I won't take it until I have a reason to. I may get some other pins. I just realized you're not supposed to reuse syringes so I have to make another order anyway. Thanks dude. Much appreciated.

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    Welcome! oh ya def dont resuse syringes man haha. id try to get some 3cc syringes too, cheaper and better utilized here

    if you dont already have or have had acne probs you shouldnt need the accutane

    good luck bud

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    Give the OP a cigar!!!

    If everyone new posted like this in detail, it would cut down on so much confusion.

    Best

    T


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    Quote Originally Posted by TITANIUM View Post
    Give the OP a cigar!!!

    If everyone new posted like this in detail, it would cut down on so much confusion.

    Best

    T

    I 2nd that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic View Post
    PCT looks good, i personally like to start my pct about 11 days after my last shot (when using test e) thats what i did last cycle and recovered great
    Bump.

    Would like to hear from at least one other. PCT on day 14 or day 11?

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    personally i would start pct 14 days after last shot i see up above you said you'd be starting your nolva and clomid week 14 that should be week 15 and i would run it for 4 weeks not 3 like this
    nolva
    40/20/20/20
    clomid
    100/50/50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigman roid View Post
    personally i would start pct 14 days after last shot i see up above you said you'd be starting your nolva and clomid week 14 that should be week 15 and i would run it for 4 weeks not 3 like this
    nolva
    40/20/20/20
    clomid
    100/50/50/50
    Yea, my mistake. Should be 15-16 and 17-18. This is 4 weeks though. Was planning:

    Nolva 40/40/20/20
    Clomid 100/100/50/50

    Thanks for the input sigman.

    Anyone else? 11 days or 14? Should I start to lower PCT doses after week 1 like sigman suggests?

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    One last Bump

    11 or 14 days after last shot for PCT?
    Should I start to lower PCT doses after week 1 like sigman suggests?

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    Well I'm currently in my first ever PCT, and I waited 13 days after my last shot of Test E to take Clomiphene and Tamoxifen. However my natural Testosterone had already covered before I even began PCT (I was back jacking off again), but there was a period maybe 8 days in where my sex drive nearly disappeared completely for a few days.

    Anyway next time I'm gonna do PCT sooner, reason being that my Testosterone level seems to drop below "normal level" more quickly than other people.

    Yeah I'd start before 14 days, probably more like 10 days (maybe even 8 days).

    But I have to stress a point: This is only my first PCT so I don't know much about it at all. Wait for a veteran on here to confirm or deny what I've said.

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    Why not just take 2 shots of 250mg a week? You have enough juice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    Well I'm currently in my first ever PCT, and I waited 13 days after my last shot of Test E to take Clomiphene and Tamoxifen. However my natural Testosterone had already covered before I even began PCT (I was back jacking off again), but there was a period maybe 8 days in where my sex drive nearly disappeared completely for a few days.

    Anyway next time I'm gonna do PCT sooner, reason being that my Testosterone level seems to drop below "normal level" more quickly than other people.

    Yeah I'd start before 14 days, probably more like 10 days (maybe even 8 days).

    But I have to stress a point: This is only my first PCT so I don't know much about it at all. Wait for a veteran on here to confirm or deny what I've said.
    I believe the ester in Test E will preserve your libido for about 14 days after last shot. I suppose it's less risky to start PCT a few days early so I will start day 12. Keep me updated on how your PCT goes, I think you have yet to lose your libido but if not, I won't be so nervous.

    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    Why not just take 2 shots of 250mg a week? You have enough juice.
    Yea, I def have enough. Since it's my first time, I want to go easy. Plus, my weight is low so I have a feeling I'd explode if I went on 500mg/week. We'll see. I can always bump up to 400mg if I'm not happy.

    Thanks.

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    I haven't taken a shot of Testosterone Enanthate in 25 days, so I reckon it's all been eradicated from my body, leaving on the natural supply of Testosterone from my balls.

    If my balls were ****ed I think I'd know by now, I wouldn't be a horny little f***er all the time.

    Anyway I'm one of the few people who likes when my sex drive dies... my natural sex drive is way too high and it interferes with my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    I haven't taken a shot of Testosterone Enanthate in 25 days, so I reckon it's all been eradicated from my body, leaving on the natural supply of Testosterone from my balls.

    If my balls were ****ed I think I'd know by now, I wouldn't be a horny little f***er all the time.

    Anyway I'm one of the few people who likes when my sex drive dies... my natural sex drive is way too high and it interferes with my life.
    OK cool. Yea I think 25 would do it. Good to know I won't definitely be losing my sex drive for a few weeks. Thanks again Almond.

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