what's wrong with my Blood tests? please help...

[wanna_be_big]

Hi Everyone,

I would like to know what do you think about my blood test results below:

Testosterone, Total --> 8.68 ng/ml (Adults from 3.0 up to 9.5)
!
Testosterone, Free (Index) --> 81.7 (Adults from 30 up to 150)
!
T3, Total --> 95 ng/dL (80 up to 200)
!
T3, Free --> 3.2 pg/mL (2.0 up to 4.7)
!
T4, Total --> 6.7 ug/dl (4.5 up to 12.5)
!
T4, Free --> 1.1 ng/dL (0.8 up to 1.8)
!
DHEA Sulphate --> 271 ug/dl (Adults from 80 up to 560)
!
TSH --> 2.33 uIU/mL (0.30 up to 5.00)
!
FSH --> 1.7 mIU/mL (1.5 up to 18)
!
LH --> 3.9 mIU/mL (1.5 up to 9.0)
!
Estradiol (E2) --> 102 pg/mL (0 up to 55)
!
Cortisol (9AM) --> 33 ug/dl (5.0 up to 22.0)
!
Cortisol (9PM) --> 28 ug/dl (5.0 up to 22.0)

Thanks

[marcus300]

You have high Estradiol levels and they need to be reduced by an AI.

[wanna_be_big]

You have high Estradiol levels and they need to be reduced by an AI.

Thanks, but the problem is that i am not on cycle and did not do any AAS cycles before, i only did 6 weeks CEL-Hdrol from 11 months!

I wanted to check my blood tests just for curiosity and may be as a reference/baseline for later.

[maxtrin]

You can feel serious benefits with some Aromatase inhibitor.

[wanna_be_big]

my concern is why is it high at the 1st place? i don't need to control it, i just need to know what's going wrong!

[maxtrin]

Do you drink? are you overweigh?

[wanna_be_big]

no i do not drink, and my stats below:

- Age: 32
- Height: 1.77 m (5'9.7")
- Weight: 170 lbs
- BF% Aug09: 19 % - Sep09: 16-17 %

[maxtrin]

Dont know what the anwer is sorry

Does it affect your mood? are you depressed?

[wanna_be_big]

last night after i got the results, i went to sleep at 12am and left bed at 7:30am but i did not sleep more that an hour straight my mind was awake all night!

[BJJ]

You should go and see an endocrinologist.
Furthermore, you missed some analyses.

[wanna_be_big]

You should go and see an endocrinologist.
Furthermore, you missed some analyses.

i will, but you said i missed some tests, like what?

[BJJ]

i will, but you said i missed some tests, like what?

HTG
PRL
SHBG
PROGESTERONE
DHEA
DHT
HGH (not necessary but if you can afford it, why not)
INSULIN (basal)

Clue:
Next time ask only for FT3 and FT4, you'll save some money since the TTL ones are not needed by modern medicine.

[wanna_be_big]

HTG
PRL
SHBG
PROGESTERONE
DHEAS
DHT
HGH (not necessary but if you can afford it, why not)
INSULIN (basal)

Clue:
Next time ask only for FT3 and FT4, you'll save some money since the TTL ones are not needed by modern medicine.

Thanks man, but i already did DHEAS:

DHEA Sulphate --> 271 ug/dl (Adults from 80 up to 560)

[BJJ]

Thanks man, but i already did DHEAS:

DHEA Sulphate --> 271 ug/dl (Adults from 80 up to 560)

updated...
also, did you check your liver values?

[wanna_be_big]

just got the Cortisol (9PM) --> 28 ug/dl (5.0 up to 22.0)

[wanna_be_big]

updated...
also, did you check your liver values?

Yes, Liver & Kidneys:

Blood Urea --> 47 mg/dl (10 up to 45)
Creatinine, serum --> 1 mg/dl (0.7 up to 1.3)
SGOT (AST) --> 20 U/L (Up to 34)
SGPT (ALT) --> 20 U/L (Up to 44)
ALP (Alkaline phosphatase) --> 86 U/L (30 up to 120)
GGT --> 16 U/L (10 up to 55)
Albumin, serum --> 4.9 g/dl (3.2 up to 4.8)
Uric Acid --> 4.6 mg/dl (3 up to 7)

[wanna_be_big]

Also, i did check the Cholestrol Panel;

Cholestrol, serum (Total) --> 183 mg/dl (Normal up to 200)
Triglycerides, serum --> 81 mg/dl (Up to 150)
HDL-C --> 56 mg/dl (More than 40 mg/dl)
L.D.L --> 111 mg/dl (Up to 100)
V.L.D.L --> 16 mg/dl (Up to 30)
"HDL Risk Factor (Total Chol/HDL-C) --> 3.3
(1/2 Average 3.9 , Average 5.0 , 2 Average 9.6 , 3 Average 23.4)

[wanna_be_big]

and the final test was Complete Blood Picture,

Hemoglobin Concentration --> 15.6 (12.5 up to 17.5 g%)
Haematocrit (PCV) --> 45.3 (40 up to 50 %)
Red Cell Count --> 5.6 (4.25 up to 5.9 Million/cmm)
MCV --> 80.9 (80 up to 100 fl)
MCH --> 27.9 (27 up to 33 pg)
MCHC --> 34.4 (31 up to 37 g/dl)
RDW-CV --> 13.7 (11.5 up to 15 %)
Platelet Count --> 164 (150 up to 450 thousand/cmm)
Total Leucocyte Count --> 6.2 (4 up to 11 thousand/cmm)

[BJJ]

I would have also checked:

1. PSA (Prostatic Specific Antigen)
2. Amylase (pancreas)

High levels of estradiol and cortisol (that is not too high however) together but with the liver analyses in range, may lead to many different explanations, which I have no right to give because I am not a doctor.

Good call to go and see an endocrinologist.
I wish you Good Luck and let us know.

[wanna_be_big]

I would have also checked:

1. PSA (Prostatic Specific Antigen)
2. Amylase (pancreas)

High levels of estradiol and cortisol (that is not too high however) together but with the liver analyses in range, may lead to many different explanations, which I have no right to give because I am not a doctor.

Good call to go and see an endocrinologist.
I wish you Good Luck and let us know.

Thanks man, i will write down the tests you've mentioned and i will go to a different lab just to verify the results, if same results came back i will for sure check with an endocrinologist as soon as possible, so if you have anything else in mind please share it with me...

[Dancer]

Hi Everyone,

I would like to know what do you think about my blood test results below:

Testosterone, Total --> 8.68 ng/ml (Adults from 3.0 up to 9.5)
!
Testosterone, Free (Index) --> 81.7 (Adults from 30 up to 150)
!
T3, Total --> 95 ng/dL (80 up to 200)
!
T3, Free --> 3.2 pg/mL (2.0 up to 4.7)
!
T4, Total --> 6.7 ug/dl (4.5 up to 12.5)
!
T4, Free --> 1.1 ng/dL (0.8 up to 1.8)
!
DHEA Sulphate --> 271 ug/dl (Adults from 80 up to 560)
!
TSH --> 2.33 uIU/mL (0.30 up to 5.00)
!
FSH --> 1.7 mIU/mL (1.5 up to 18)
!
LH --> 3.9 mIU/mL (1.5 up to 9.0)
!
Estradiol (E2) --> 102 pg/mL (0 up to 55)
!

Cortisol (9PM) --> 28 ug/dl (5.0 up to 22.0)

Thanks

You see your FSH and LH dropping?

You know what that means? Bascially your body is starting to shut down natty production or rapping up natty production.

Did you PCT after the Hdrol?

I will post to the other posts individually....

[Dancer]

Also, i did check the Cholestrol Panel;

Cholestrol, serum (Total) --> 183 mg/dl (Normal up to 200)
Triglycerides, serum --> 81 mg/dl (Up to 150)
HDL-C --> 56 mg/dl (More than 40 mg/dl)
L.D.L --> 111 mg/dl (Up to 100)
V.L.D.L --> 16 mg/dl (Up to 30)
"HDL Risk Factor (Total Chol/HDL-C) --> 3.3
(1/2 Average 3.9 , Average 5.0 , 2 Average 9.6 , 3 Average 23.4)

your LDL ratio to HDL will be off on AAS...

Even though you may think a pro-h is not a AAS the sides carry and they are AAS. Just less studied and less known.

[Dancer]

Testosterone, Free (Index) --> 81.7 (Adults from 30 up to 150)

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bascially that is your index level if the scale was on the 241-840 you would be about a ~400... A little low for 32 year old male. You should be on average in the 600 range or 105 on the index.

[wanna_be_big]

You see your FSH and LH dropping?

You know what that means? Bascially your body is starting to shut down natty production

I will post to the other posts individually....

Why my body would do this? and have you noticed my Test Total and Test Free, both are within the normal ranges! and i did not get the part about the Test Free Index!

[wanna_be_big]

your LDL ratio to HDL will be off on AAS...

Even though you may think a pro-h is not a AAS the sides carry and they are AAS. Just less studied and less known.

Can you explain what do you mean by LDL ratio to HDL will be off on AAS? sorry English is not my 1st language!

Also, about the PH, i did only one cycle and it was almost 1 year ago...

[wanna_be_big]

Did you PCT after the Hdrol?

Yes, my PCT (6 Weeks) was OTC PCT:
- iForce Reversitol as recommended 3/2/2/1
- AI Cycle Support (1 Scope until the 2nd tub is finished)
- AI PCS (morning 2 caps and night 2 caps) 0/4/4/4/4
- LX 0/0/3/3/3/3
- Creatine
- BCAA & EAA

[Dancer]

Lets look at test ranges first.

lets just say you have a test and the range is from 50-150 for the given test (generally you free test is on a scale of ~241-~840).

IF your results come back at 55 then yes you are on the normal range BUT on the low side of the normal.

For example, say on a scale of 241-840 you have a 300 then you are bascially on the low side of normal... Generally men in the 70s have a 300 range.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... why would your FSH/LH/index be on the low side... You used a AAS (even though its a pro-h) and your are recovering.

Without PCT your body takes long time to come back.

[Dancer]

Can you explain what do you mean by LDL ratio to HDL will be off on AAS? sorry English is not my 1st language!

Also, about the PH, i did only one cycle and it was almost 1 year ago...

AAS use has a negative effect on the ratio unless your diet is right on point. Some people still have negative issues with colestrole...

Even though you used PH 11 months ago it all depends on the PCT.

[Dancer]

Yes, my PCT (6 Weeks) was OTC PCT:
- iForce Reversitol as recommended 3/2/2/1
- AI Cycle Support (1 Scope until the 2nd tub is finished)
- AI PCS (morning 2 caps and night 2 caps) 0/4/4/4/4
- LX 0/0/3/3/3/3
- Creatine
- BCAA & EAA

I would ask you to research the site for proper PCT...

Your PCT is just not on point.

[wanna_be_big]

Lets look at test ranges first.

lets just say you have a test and the range is from 50-150 for the given test (generally you free test is on a scale of ~241-~840).

IF your results come back at 55 then yes you are on the normal range BUT on the low side of the normal.

For example, say on a scale of 241-840 you have a 300 then you are bascially on the low side of normal... Generally men in the 70s have a 300 range.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... why would your FSH/LH/index be on the low side... You used a AAS (even though its a pro-h) and your are recovering.

Without PCT your body takes long time to come back.

Thanks man, but what you are saying is that i must have something wrong, but i really feels normal, my sex life is really fine, so where should i find a problem?

[wanna_be_big]

Testosterone, Free (Index) --> 81.7 (Adults from 30 up to 150)

<<<<

bascially that is your index level if the scale was on the 241-840 you would be about a ~400... A little low for 32 year old male. You should be on average in the 600 range or 105 on the index.

So the below value doesn't indicate anything:
Testosterone, Total --> 8.68 ng/ml (Adults from 3.0 up to 9.5)

[Dancer]

Right now you are already off PH for over 6 months and your body is coming back.

I say for future issues either do a proper PCT after PH or do not use PH.

Personally I find PH dangerious. There is just not enough studies done to determine sides and they are not proven. Most use PH and think 'well if its legal it must be fine'

[Dancer]

So the below value doesn't indicate anything:
Testosterone, Total --> 8.68 ng/ml (Adults from 3.0 up to 9.5)

No, Free test and index only mean anything, why? Because, binded test has no effect.

[wanna_be_big]

Right now you are already off PH for over 6 months and your body is coming back.

I say for future issues either do a proper PCT after PH or do not use PH.

Personally I find PH dangerious. There is just not enough studies done to determine sides and they are not proven. Most use PH and think 'well if its legal it must be fine'

Would you recommend me do something like this (even now):

1-4 Novla 40/20/20/20
1-4 Clomid 100/50/50/50

or should i wait and see?

and what about the high E2 value?

[Dancer]

You might benefit from PCT, But since its been so long IMHO you aready for a real cycle.

You have with respect to estrogen adn cort what is called a negative feedback mech.

Basically once you get off AAS you body rebounds with higher E2 and Cort S

[wanna_be_big]

You might benefit from PCT, But since its been so long IMHO you aready for a real cycle.

You have with respect to estrogen adn cort what is called a negative feedback mech.

Basically once you get off AAS you body rebounds with higher E2 and Cort S

Something like:

1-12 Weeks Test E @ 250mg x 2 times per week

PCT:
----
14-17 Novla 40/20/20/20
14-17 Clomid 100/50/50/50

[wanna_be_big]

Something like:

1-12 Weeks Test E @ 250mg x 2 times per week

PCT:
----
14-17 Novla 40/20/20/20
14-17 Clomid 100/50/50/50

1- Should i also add low doses of Novla & Aromasin along with the above cycle setup to fight the E2 even before side starts to show?

2- What do you think i should take to compact the high Cortisol value?

[ted666]

dancer very smart!

[Dancer]

1- Should i also add low doses of Novla & Aromasin along with the above cycle setup to fight the E2 even before side starts to show?

2- What do you think i should take to compact the high Cortisol value?

AAS blocks cortisol production in itself. There are anti-cort drugs but dont fvck with them.

You do need to have a AI on hand incase you do have conversion issues to estrogen. Please keep in mind you always need and AI on hand. Aromasin is a good AI but adex is just as good if you are only on 500mg EW.

[Dancer]

dancer very smart!

OHHH Teddy

You are good with helping with cycles so chime in...